IRC log of html-a11y on 2015-07-23

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 23 July 2015
14:56:49 [janina]
agenda?
14:56:53 [janina]
agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
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agenda+ Agenda Edits & Additions
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agenda+ Bug Triage -- Leonie
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agenda+ Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH
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agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
14:57:06 [janina]
agenda+ Transcript Support Update -- John, Chaals, Cynthia
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agenda+ Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al
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agenda+ TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
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agenda+ Other Business
14:57:16 [janina]
agenda+ be done
14:57:53 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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chair: Janina
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present+ Janina
14:58:27 [liam]
present+ liam
15:00:48 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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15:03:53 [liam]
scrine: liam
15:03:54 [paulc]
present+ paulc
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scribenick: liam
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scribe: liam
15:04:11 [plh]
Present+ Plh
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s/scrine/scribe/
15:04:45 [Judy]
Present+ Judy
15:05:20 [liam]
topic: Agenda Edits & Additions
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[none]
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Topic: Bug Triage -- Leonie
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[Leoni not here]
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Topic: Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH
15:06:46 [liam]
Rich: down to two particular issues
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plh made a clarification on a test case, resolved
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and he gave me a defect to route to Dominic
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plh: I will make some edits to the spec as a consequence
15:08:00 [liam]
should not effect implementations
15:08:36 [liam]
JS: still expecting success in going to Rec including hit regions, a big win for accessibility!
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Topic: Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
15:09:17 [janina]
scribe: janina
15:09:25 [janina]
liam: Updated doc to review
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https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/
15:10:38 [janina]
Liam: Not yet finished, still some coordination to do
15:10:47 [janina]
Liam: Still examples with errors that need cleanup
15:10:59 [janina]
Liam: Very much wanting review
15:11:16 [janina]
Liam: Please leave comments either on github, bugzilla, or email
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Present+ JF
15:13:01 [liam]
high level review of document would be fabulous, the examples are in flux partly as a result of today's first review
15:13:02 [paulc]
Could the document indicate what part of HTML5 the material will be used to update?
15:14:59 [liam]
liam: yes, thank you for pointing that out, good suggestion, will do.
15:15:42 [paulc]
What is the 2nd document you mentioned?
15:15:58 [JF]
agenda?
15:16:05 [liam]
alt doc currently links to an external page on WAI
15:16:53 [janina]
Liam: We currently have a 30 page doc describing one attribute.
15:17:07 [janina]
Liam: I propose to take about 20 of those pages to a "more info" external doc
15:17:40 [janina]
liam: Basic need expressed from a cms developer's comment: "Give me the basics"
15:18:22 [liam]
JS: get the write up right and then figure out the exact split
15:18:26 [paulc]
I just put the HTML of the document into MSFT Word and it finds a lot of obvious spelling errors. Do you want me to forward those problems?
15:18:46 [liam]
paulc, sure, email to liam@w3.orc
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s/orc/org/
15:19:28 [paulc]
I will try to find time later today.
15:20:08 [liam]
janina: good progress
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Topic: Transcript Support Update -- John, Chaals, Cynthia
15:20:51 [liam]
JS: I think a couple of weeks ago Charles cleaned up his draft
15:20:57 [liam]
comments are welcome - email, bugzilla
15:21:16 [liam]
John: yes. Was not looked at during the F2F
15:21:27 [liam]
The problem we have is that we haven't narrowed down the options
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First draft still has the different options
15:21:49 [liam]
Intent was to get feedback on what made sense
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JS: We still haven't heard which tech approach the media folks want
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JF: we did get some feedback at F2F at Microsoft in late Spring
15:22:25 [liam]
so now choice of element/attribute names, and whether the pattern makes sense
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JS: who is making the decisions?
15:23:03 [liam]
JF: we need feedback from browser vendors, from implementors, in yes we can support it or no, notinterested
15:23:10 [liam]
s/notin/not in/
15:23:20 [paulc]
q+
15:24:06 [liam]
JF: when we left Redmond we had one or two things; Charles brought back some things we kinda rejected but didn't want to lose
15:24:15 [liam]
Maybe a proof of concept in JS
15:24:40 [liam]
JS: I'm trying to find that someone, who will [help us move forward]
15:24:53 [liam]
I think our position is we don't care on the mechanism as long as it will get support
15:24:58 [liam]
JF: yes
15:25:01 [paulc]
Have you considered taking the proposal to the WICG via http://discourse.wicg.io/?
15:26:30 [liam]
paulc: Charles did send an email to the media TF; it has zero uptake
15:26:47 [liam]
Don't want to take too many conclusions from that.
15:27:06 [liam]
Nut I think it's because they are so busy on their current work on EME
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s/Nut/But/
15:27:48 [paulc]
Charles email to Media TF: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jul/0003.html
15:28:07 [liam]
So when you [TF] stood in front of Redmond you had a captive audience
15:28:28 [liam]
but they're so busy on MSE and EME that it's not clear we're going to get a response
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plus not clear whether this should be looked at by MSE or EME or both
15:29:11 [liam]
so the reason I suggested you go to the CG is I think it's more likely you may get both developer input and browser input there
15:29:43 [liam]
JS: I think that's a very helpful suggestion and explains why we're not getting feedback
15:30:17 [liam]
Topic: Tab Panels Update
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[Leoni stilll not here]
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Topic: action items
15:31:39 [liam]
JF: [no-one on the call with actions except John's, in progress]
15:32:11 [JF]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/327
15:32:18 [liam]
PLH: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/327 is done
15:32:34 [janina]
close action-327
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Closed action-327.
15:32:56 [liam]
Topic: Other Business
15:33:32 [liam]
Judy: As we head into August it can be useful to plan across upcoming weeks and confirm whether we'll have critical mass to keep moving forward
15:33:33 [paulc]
I am workiing for ALL of August.
15:34:02 [liam]
JS: next week we have Shane to present on Web payments
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very busy activity & important for a11y
15:34:18 [liam]
bringing others to the call to help
15:34:37 [liam]
I hope for a brief intro in email from ShaneM
15:35:10 [liam]
So i'm incluned to believe we have basis to meet the next two weeks
15:35:59 [liam]
[adjourned]
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