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19:58:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
19:58:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
19:58:20 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
19:58:20 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2015
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20:00:21 <Vlad> zakim, who is here
20:00:21 <Zakim> Vlad, you need to end that query with '?'
20:00:24 <Vlad> zakim, who is here
20:00:24 <Zakim> Vlad, you need to end that query with '?'
20:00:30 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
20:00:30 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
20:00:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisL, RSheeter, KenLundeAdobe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, trackbot
20:00:42 <Vlad> zakim, this is 3668
20:00:42 <Zakim> ok, Vlad; that matches IA_Fonts()4:00PM
20:00:45 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
20:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.536.aaaa, ??P1, Vlad, Jeanne
20:00:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisL, RSheeter, KenLundeAdobe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, trackbot
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20:01:07 <ChrisL> zakim, ??P1 is me
20:01:07 <Zakim> +ChrisL; got it
20:01:13 <KenLundeAdobe> +1.408.536.aaaa is KenLundeAdobe's phone
20:02:01 <RSheeter> I might be
20:02:10 <ChrisL> zakim, Jeanne holds ChrisL
20:02:10 <Zakim> +ChrisL; got it
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20:03:04 <RSheeter> zakim, who is here?
20:03:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.536.aaaa, ChrisL, Vlad, Jeanne
20:03:06 <Zakim> Jeanne has ChrisL
20:03:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see kuettel, jfkthame, ChrisL, RSheeter, KenLundeAdobe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, trackbot
20:03:08 <Zakim> + +1.650.253.aabb
20:03:22 <RSheeter> Zakim, aaaa is RSheeter
20:03:22 <Zakim> +RSheeter; got it
20:03:27 <RSheeter> [probably]
20:04:24 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
20:04:31 <ChrisL> topic: open issues
20:04:41 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
20:04:59 <ChrisL> Vlad: modify due dates for longer running ones
20:05:43 <ChrisL> action-148?
20:05:43 <trackbot> action-148 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Review and edit the conformance test for extraneous data -- due 2015-05-06 -- OPEN
20:05:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148
20:05:56 <ChrisL> changed to next wednesday after f2f
20:06:30 <ChrisL> action-168?
20:06:30 <trackbot> action-168 -- Roderick Sheeter to Measure RAM usage for woff2 vs. woff1 -- due 2015-05-13 -- OPEN
20:06:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/168
20:06:40 <ChrisL> RSheeter: not sure on ETA
20:07:13 <ChrisL> RSheeter: when do we need it by?
20:08:05 <RSheeter> ChrisL: before we request candidate recommendation status
20:08:19 <ChrisL> ChrisL: mobile-freindly mentione din charter, we need this to enter CR
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20:08:44 <ChrisL> Vlad: once spec text is finalized
20:08:52 <ChrisL> ... could be a bottleneck
20:09:17 <ChrisL> RSheeter: beginning of July
20:10:01 <ChrisL> 19 August, 1200Z:    Deadline for publication requests before moratorium
20:10:01 <ChrisL> 20 August:           Last publications before moratorium
20:10:01 <ChrisL> 24-28 August:        No publications
20:10:01 <ChrisL> 1 September:         Publications resume
20:10:23 <ChrisL> Vlad: soo we can publish during July or early August
20:10:49 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
20:10:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.408.536.aaaa, Vlad, ChrisL, +1.650.253.aabb, RSheeter
20:11:38 <ChrisL> present+ Khaled, KenLundeAdobe, kuettel, jfkthame
20:12:24 <ChrisL> zakim, mute me
20:12:24 <Zakim> ChrisL should now be muted
20:13:09 <ChrisL> zaki, unmute me
20:13:38 <RSheeter> ...can you hear me?
20:13:59 <ChrisL> action-176?
20:13:59 <trackbot> action-176 -- Roderick Sheeter to Test hmtx transformation over google fonts corpus (how many lsb == x-min for all glyfs, what savings) -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
20:13:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176
20:14:45 <ChrisL> Vlad: we had comments on the daalton Maag dataset
20:14:54 <ChrisL> d/daa/Daa
20:15:09 <ChrisL> Vlad: good to get on the google font corpus too
20:15:30 <ChrisL> Vlad: RSheeter ?
20:15:48 <RSheeter> apparently I'm on mute somehow
20:16:00 <ChrisL> zakim, unmute RSheeter
20:16:00 <Zakim> RSheeter was not muted, ChrisL
20:16:41 <RSheeter> I can hear you. I'll try the hmtx thing over Google Fonts corpus. I thought we were just going to accept Cosimo's results.
20:17:30 <ChrisL> zakim, unmute ChrisL
20:17:30 <Zakim> ChrisL should no longer be muted
20:19:03 <ChrisL> Vlad: assuming those results are in line with the ones from Cosima, any objectiosn to modify the spec to add extensibility and then use that for html and vtmx transforms
20:19:19 <ChrisL> s/html/htmx/
20:19:38 <ChrisL> kuettel: would this be optional and thus backwards compatible?
20:20:01 <ChrisL> Vlad: yes for conformant generators; no for comformant readers
20:20:40 <ChrisL> kuettel: okay
20:20:52 <ChrisL> ChrisL: sounds god to me
20:21:28 <ChrisL> Khaled: may be an issue for multiple formats for different browsers. serving two flavours of woff 2
20:22:05 <ChrisL> Vlad: its an interim solution when browsers have 2.0 but not 2.1, so rejects font
20:23:51 <ChrisL> Vlad: this should be of short duration. it gives us extensibility down the line
20:24:28 <ChrisL> kuettel: worth noting we could not have done it in the past, but the regular update model for browsers makes this feasible
20:25:03 <ChrisL> Vlad: do not expect frequent updates for WOFF2
20:26:15 <ChrisL> ... this minimizes disruption
20:26:43 <ChrisL> Vlad: proposes adopting proposal from jfkthame
20:26:50 <ChrisL> (general agreement)
20:27:06 <ChrisL> Vlad: needs additional spec text for the transform
20:27:21 <ChrisL> action: vlad to add the htmx transform to spec
20:27:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Add the htmx transform to spec [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10].
20:27:44 <ChrisL> topic: conformance requirements
20:28:42 <ChrisL> need to weed out the untestables - authoring tools do then, browsers don't care
20:28:43 <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html
20:29:40 <ChrisL> use OUGHT TO from RFC 6919
20:29:42 <ChrisL> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919
20:30:43 <ChrisL> The phrase "OUGHT TO" conveys an optimistic assertion of an
20:30:43 <ChrisL>    implementation behavior that is clearly morally right, and thus does
20:30:43 <ChrisL>    not require substantiation.
20:31:42 <ChrisL> although "WOULD PROBALY" also works
20:32:02 <ChrisL> The phrase "WOULD PROBABLY" indicates the authors expectation about
20:32:02 <ChrisL>    what a reasonable implementation is likely to do in a given case.
20:32:02 <ChrisL>    There is no requirement for implementations to be reasonable.
20:33:54 <RSheeter> can we work in MAY WISH TO?
20:34:36 <ChrisL> Vlad: requirement to always produce the shortest encoding is in the same category. we ave a test on UA for this
20:35:07 <ChrisL> Vlad: will flag if there is an issue with an authoring tool
20:35:22 <ChrisL> Vlad: suggest changing to remove the conformance requirement
20:35:30 <ChrisL> ChrisL: agree
20:36:09 <ChrisL> action vlad to update conformance statements as per https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html
20:36:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Update conformance statements as per https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/2015jun/0001.html [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10].
20:36:52 <ChrisL> Vlad: hope we don't have more untestables. RSheeter please introduce your mail from just before meting
20:37:21 <RSheeter> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF2/spec/#FileStructure
20:37:25 <ChrisL> RSheeter: no-overlap, in terms of writing tests, a larger set of much more focussed requirements
20:37:34 <ChrisL> ... on a per-table basis
20:38:10 <RSheeter> contrast with http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/#Metadata, which is very specific in its assertions
20:38:16 <ChrisL> Vlad: WOFF2 limis the places where extra data can be inseerted. betwwen data blocks only, very different compared to WOFF 1.0
20:38:23 <ChrisL> s/limis/limits
20:38:34 <ChrisL> s/inseer/inser
20:39:30 <ChrisL> ChrisL: slight concern about ending up with a near-exhaustive list
20:39:49 <ChrisL> RSheeter: no need to remove current requiremnt, but add some specific ones
20:39:58 <ChrisL> Vlad: discuss at f2f
20:40:51 <ChrisL> Topic: Final F2F planning
20:41:23 <ChrisL> Vlad: will set up a conference, no practical limit on participant numbers
20:42:34 <ChrisL> Vlad: preliminary agenda will go out on Friday
20:42:50 <ChrisL> ... meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday
20:43:09 <ChrisL> (adjourned)
20:43:14 <ChrisL> Chair: Vlad
20:43:21 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
20:43:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
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21:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.536.aaaa, Vlad, ChrisL, +1.650.253.aabb, RSheeter
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