IRC log of dpub on 2015-04-27

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be dpub
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ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 53 minutes
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Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 27 April 2015
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+clapierre
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+Tzviya
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+azaroth
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zakim, dial ivan-voip
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ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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+philm
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+Markus
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+ +1.917.770.aaaa
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+Bill_Kasdorf
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agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Apr/0098.html
14:59:19 [LDawson]
917-770.aaaa is me
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+??P2
14:59:27 [ivan]
zakim, aaaa is LDawson
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+LDawson; got it
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zakim, who is here?
14:59:51 [Zakim]
On the phone I see clapierre, Tzviya, azaroth, Ivan, philm, Markus, LDawson, Bill_Kasdorf, ??P2
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On IRC I see AH_Miller, mgylling_, NickRuffilo, Bill_Kasdorf, phil_m, philm, tzviya, LDawson, azaroth, pkeating, clapierre1, mgylling, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pkra, ivan, plinss,
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... iank, rego, astearns, mihnea_____, liam, Karen, deborahGU, trackbot
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+ +1.206.849.aabb
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+dauwhe
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+deborahGU
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zakim, +??P2 is me
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sorry, NickRuffilo, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
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+lfowler
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zakim, aabb is pkeating
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+pkeating; got it
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+ +1.206.675.aacc
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+MikeMiller
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+Vlad
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zakim, aacc is me
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+astearns; got it
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zakim, ??P2 is me
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+NickRuffilo; got it
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+Karen_Myers
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+TimCole
15:01:14 [NickRuffilo]
Thank you dave
15:01:28 [NickRuffilo]
Zakim, I'm sorry, it's me, not you, but I will not be scribe today
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I don't understand you, NickRuffilo
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+[IPcaller]
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+pkra
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scribenick: dauwhe
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scribenick: dauwhe
15:01:50 [NickRuffilo]
Zakim, I know, its me, not you...
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I don't understand 'I know, its me, not you', NickRuffilo
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-pkra
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-[IPcaller]
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+pkra
15:03:22 [tzviya]
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/20-dpub-minutes.html
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+pbelfanti
15:03:33 [dauwhe]
tzviya: let's look at last week's minutes
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... motion to accept?
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... minutes approved.
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... today's agenda
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Apr/0098.html
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Apr/0098.html
15:04:25 [TimCole]
q+
15:04:27 [dauwhe]
... discuss STEM survey results, and then IDs and selectors
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+[Ugent]
15:04:42 [bjdmeest]
zakim, Ugent is me
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+bjdmeest; got it
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+Bert
15:04:45 [mgylling]
ack TimeCole
15:04:45 [tzviya]
ack timCole
15:04:58 [dauwhe]
TimCole: We have an agenda to discuss footnotes and HTML
15:05:16 [ivan]
Topic: STEM Survey
15:05:28 [dauwhe]
pkra: first look at survery
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... 34 responses
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... sent to 93 people
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... ok result, but not too exciting
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... people don't feel qualified to answer
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... good coverage on all questions
15:06:49 [dauwhe]
... 37 questions total
15:06:59 [dauwhe]
... there's an unsurprising bias towards math
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... partly due to me leading the survey
15:07:20 [dauwhe]
... lots of people talked about mathml
15:07:29 [dauwhe]
... it wasn't a random sample
15:07:39 [dauwhe]
... run through a few of the questions
15:08:05 [dauwhe]
... first section was about background
15:08:10 [dauwhe]
... bias towards CS and math
15:08:26 [dauwhe]
... 2nd was professional background
15:08:38 [dauwhe]
... didn't have a lot of ???
15:08:48 [ivan]
s/???/aggregators/
15:08:52 [dauwhe]
... most people were researchers
15:09:24 [dauwhe]
... researchers were primary audience
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... we forgot to ask about students as audience
15:10:04 [dauwhe]
... which platforms people serve
15:10:18 [dauwhe]
... a few comments pointed to "the web is our platform"
15:10:30 [dauwhe]
... most people were focusing on desktop
15:10:49 [dauwhe]
... on the low end was print and ebooks
15:11:11 [dauwhe]
... next section was about content
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... subject domains
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... the question about reusing content was unclear
15:12:11 [dauwhe]
... "were people actively reusing content"
15:12:22 [dauwhe]
... prev. q was about making content resuable
15:12:30 [dauwhe]
... so people just repeated answer
15:12:37 [dauwhe]
... there was q about standardization
15:12:48 [dauwhe]
... there will be fun quotes from that
15:13:02 [pkra]
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/results
15:13:22 [dauwhe]
... next section about authoring
15:13:28 [dauwhe]
... there were a couple of problems
15:13:36 [dauwhe]
... first question didn't get responses we wanted
15:13:54 [dauwhe]
... should have asked explicitly about STEM fragments
15:14:15 [dauwhe]
... want to know why people lose information when converting
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... but questions were too vague
15:14:41 [dauwhe]
... people talked about transformation of text formats
15:15:30 [dauwhe]
... surprised to hear people do version control, did mention things like git
15:15:54 [dauwhe]
... "we see more and more JSON in scholarly publishing"
15:16:04 [dauwhe]
... that was unexpected answer to STEM fragment storage question
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... and very positive
15:16:24 [tzviya]
q?
15:16:34 [dauwhe]
ivan: are some formats other than MathML that are widely used?
15:16:46 [dauwhe]
pkra: one question asked that
15:16:50 [dauwhe]
... not at this point
15:17:11 [dauwhe]
... alas, I don't have all the data in my head :)
15:17:21 [dauwhe]
tzviya: question 21, maybe?
15:17:26 [dauwhe]
pkra: yes, 21
15:17:40 [dauwhe]
... CML
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... there isn't that much
15:18:19 [dauwhe]
... someone from Wolfram had CDS
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... not as much as I'd hoped
15:18:35 [tzviya]
q?
15:18:43 [dauwhe]
... in the authoring section
15:19:06 [dauwhe]
... Q15, how do people provide access to content fragments
15:19:18 [dauwhe]
... that was a good result
15:19:28 [dauwhe]
... people are used to using XML
15:19:43 [dauwhe]
... next section on delivery
15:19:47 [dauwhe]
... how is content delivered
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... HTML was ahead of PDF
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... 32% to 26%
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... most produce both
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... there was an open question about desired methods
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... with ten longer comments
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... Q about migrating away from PDF
15:21:24 [dauwhe]
... people said Yes
15:21:47 [dauwhe]
... not enthusiastic about PDF but said they have to
15:22:03 [dauwhe]
... Q about exposing data on web
15:22:11 [dauwhe]
... answers were all over the place
15:22:44 [dauwhe]
... Q about embedding scientific data via attributes, microdata, etc.
15:22:52 [dauwhe]
... quite a bit of stuff there
15:23:05 [dauwhe]
tzviya: more summary would be good
15:23:08 [tzviya]
q?
15:23:38 [dauwhe]
pkra: we didn't mention stem fragments again when asking about bridging reading and authoring
15:23:47 [dauwhe]
... lots of fun quotes about reading
15:23:55 [dauwhe]
... the workflow section was tricky to write
15:24:06 [dauwhe]
... similarly solid in results, no surprises but good data
15:24:15 [dauwhe]
... PDF comes up because we have to
15:24:30 [dauwhe]
... a11y section I haven't looked at much
15:24:37 [dauwhe]
... that was a challenging section
15:24:50 [dauwhe]
... more answers about people not having expertise or answers
15:24:59 [dauwhe]
tzviya: I have a few questions
15:25:03 [dauwhe]
... first
15:25:20 [dauwhe]
... everyone should read through this even if STEM isn't your bag
15:25:29 [dauwhe]
... thanks PKRA!
15:25:47 [dauwhe]
... so what do we do next? There's a lot of information here, and it's all over the place
15:26:00 [dauwhe]
... might be helpful to focus on a few points and go from there
15:26:10 [tzviya]
q?
15:26:24 [dauwhe]
pkra: one challenge is to extract data in efficient way to spreadsheet
15:26:37 [dauwhe]
... yes, it's a lot, and it's not clear what to focus on
15:26:45 [dauwhe]
... a meeting of task force will help
15:26:53 [dauwhe]
... to get an in-depth summary
15:27:02 [dauwhe]
... original idea was to publish a note by the IG
15:27:18 [dauwhe]
... but the input in some sections is not viable
15:27:30 [dauwhe]
... for example, a11y is not balanced enough to provide good feedback
15:27:41 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:27:54 [dauwhe]
tzviya: if we try to write a note summarizing everything, it would be huge
15:28:14 [dauwhe]
pkra: would be good to make data avaliable in anonymized fashion
15:28:23 [dauwhe]
ivan: I've already produced a spreadsheet
15:28:28 [dauwhe]
... so I can just remove a column
15:28:40 [dauwhe]
pkra: yes, but maybe that's a different conversation
15:28:46 [dauwhe]
... I had trouble with the spreadsheet
15:29:00 [dauwhe]
... Ivan, is it legally possible to publish data?
15:29:10 [dauwhe]
ivan: if it's anonymous, then it's not a problem
15:29:18 [astearns]
not just names, but any identifying details in free-form responses
15:29:20 [dauwhe]
pkra: then the note can be much more focused
15:29:39 [dauwhe]
... it's all anecdotal
15:29:42 [tzviya]
ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:30:00 [dauwhe]
Bill_Kasdorf: while the anon. data are useful, what's most important are the messages
15:30:11 [dauwhe]
... sometimes they're clear and sometimes they're contradictory
15:30:20 [dauwhe]
... don't need to cover all issues equally
15:30:28 [dauwhe]
... what did we hear that was notable?
15:30:32 [dauwhe]
pkra: I agree
15:30:43 [dauwhe]
tzviya: OK. Any other comments?
15:30:55 [dauwhe]
ivan: You also need people around you?
15:31:08 [dauwhe]
pkra: I will rely on the task force, but more people will be great.
15:31:29 [NickRuffilo]
q+
15:31:31 [dauwhe]
ivan: if anyone in the group has some experience in managing survey results, volunteer!
15:31:42 [tzviya]
ack Nick
15:31:45 [dauwhe]
pkra: I'm also not experienced
15:31:52 [dauwhe]
NickRuffilo: I've done this
15:31:56 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:32:15 [dauwhe]
... if you have any questions about creating non-leading questions or analyzing results, please let me know
15:32:35 [dauwhe]
... I'll pull up articles I've written about this
15:32:53 [tzviya]
ack Bill
15:32:57 [dauwhe]
tzviya: NickRuffilo is our new favorite
15:33:15 [dauwhe]
Bill_Kasdorf: too much reliance on statistical analysis would be suspect due to the small and biased sample
15:33:17 [pkra]
+eleventy
15:33:20 [dauwhe]
... more an editorial task
15:33:35 [Karen]
q+
15:33:42 [tzviya]
ack Karen
15:34:26 [NickRuffilo]
Excel TIPS: http://publishingperspectives.com/2013/01/tips-for-technologists-7-excel-with-excel/
15:34:30 [dauwhe]
Karen: do I have confidence this is not public, just members-only? I don't think raw results should be public
15:34:34 [dauwhe]
ivan: we can check
15:34:51 [dauwhe]
pkra: it's always asked me to log in
15:34:55 [dauwhe]
ivan: it's not public
15:35:11 [dauwhe]
Karen: OK. If there's a quote, it will not be attributed?
15:35:21 [dauwhe]
... more a qualitative report
15:35:28 [dauwhe]
ivan: it should never be quoted or attributed
15:35:40 [dauwhe]
pkra: most people would be oK with that
15:35:59 [dauwhe]
tzviya: we've never asked permission to quote people
15:36:17 [dauwhe]
... we have our existing STEM task force, and Nick has been drafted.
15:36:17 [Karen]
q+
15:36:23 [tzviya]
ack Karen
15:36:40 [pkra]
or otherwise shanghai you ;-)
15:36:53 [dauwhe]
Karen: we have a replacement AC rep for Copyright Clearance center, who may be interested in STEM
15:37:01 [dauwhe]
tzviya: thanks Karen.
15:37:07 [dauwhe]
... moving on...
15:37:19 [ivan]
Topic: Fragment ID-s
15:37:23 [dauwhe]
... a few weeks ago there was a discussion about fragment identifiers
15:37:31 [tzviya]
topic: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015Apr/0051.html
15:37:32 [dauwhe]
... which ended up on the annotations list
15:37:46 [dauwhe]
... Ivan will lead us through this
15:37:53 [dauwhe]
ivan: I didn't know I was going to do this :)
15:38:03 [dauwhe]
tzviya: lots of discussion on what makes a legal identifier
15:38:08 [dauwhe]
ivan: is rob around?
15:38:46 [dauwhe]
ivan: we discussed that three weeks ago that the model for selectors in open annotations document
15:38:58 [dauwhe]
... is in fact a very rich and powerful collection of terms
15:39:52 [tzviya]
ivan: perhaps starting with position of open anno is a good
15:39:59 [tzviya]
...not bound to one media type
15:40:34 [tzviya]
...the model is an abstract model, not described in terms of URI
15:40:46 [tzviya]
...perhaps it's possible to turn it into fragment ID
15:41:15 [tzviya]
...then there was further discussion of when a frag ID is legal, etc
15:41:26 [tzviya]
Rob's position: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015Apr/0054.html
15:44:24 [dauwhe]
ivan: the fundamental issue is the following
15:44:43 [dauwhe]
... a fragment identifier is bound to a specific media type
15:44:53 [dauwhe]
... you must register for each and every media type
15:45:14 [dauwhe]
... so you can't just declare the OA model for the entire world
15:45:26 [dauwhe]
... if we go down that route and use the selector model
15:45:36 [dauwhe]
... the correct way is we define them as part of a URI
15:45:43 [Zakim]
-lfowler
15:45:50 [dauwhe]
... and then we register them for some of the media types for which they are useful
15:45:56 [dauwhe]
... html, svg, etc.
15:46:01 [dauwhe]
... we can do that
15:46:15 [dauwhe]
... then it can be combined with other mechanisms as it's done with web packaging
15:46:36 [dauwhe]
... it's not clear to me who should work on this
15:46:57 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:47:01 [dauwhe]
... I have the impression that there's some sort of agreement that if we restrict by media types we can do this
15:47:17 [TimCole]
q+
15:47:17 [dauwhe]
... azaroth, is this a fair summary?
15:47:21 [dauwhe]
azaroth: yes, that's it
15:47:23 [tzviya]
ack Bill
15:47:35 [dauwhe]
Bill_Kasdorf: keeping in mind the mission of the various groups
15:47:47 [dauwhe]
... DPUB is expressing needs, not writing standards
15:48:04 [dauwhe]
... I have a strong interest in what Anno WG comes up with
15:48:27 [dauwhe]
... as far as DPUB, our job is to surface the issue and work with the appropriate WG
15:48:48 [dauwhe]
... the OA model you recommended came out of a ???
15:48:55 [ivan]
s/???/CG/
15:49:00 [dauwhe]
... I'm not trying to wash my hands of it
15:49:07 [dauwhe]
ivan: I understand and agree
15:49:11 [dauwhe]
... two comments
15:49:24 [dauwhe]
... we already do this approach with structural semantics where we're involved with PF
15:49:41 [dauwhe]
... the other thing is that we need to recharter this group
15:49:53 [dauwhe]
... maybe we can then go beyond what we have here
15:50:04 [tzviya]
ack Tim
15:50:06 [dauwhe]
... we'll see where it goes after september
15:50:14 [TimCole]
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-annotation-minutes.html
15:50:19 [dauwhe]
TimCole: it was discussed at Anno F2F a bit
15:50:31 [dauwhe]
... if this is important to DPUB
15:50:39 [dauwhe]
... you need to push Anno WG
15:50:47 [dauwhe]
... talked about in context of rangefinder
15:50:54 [dauwhe]
... but it's not high on our priority list
15:51:07 [dauwhe]
... might be good to bring this up as collaborative
15:51:17 [dauwhe]
... the anno model allows lots of selectors
15:51:24 [dauwhe]
... not all will work as fragment identifiers
15:51:45 [tzviya]
q+
15:51:55 [dauwhe]
... also, EPUB already has something that kindof works
15:51:58 [tzviya]
ack tzviya
15:51:58 [dauwhe]
ivan: I agree
15:52:20 [dauwhe]
tzviya: we all are talking about epub cfi as if it solves the issues, but few people use it
15:52:28 [dauwhe]
... there are too many options
15:52:42 [dauwhe]
... it's still a multiple choice question
15:53:03 [dauwhe]
... i can use xpointer, I can use CFI, but what happens with packaging and building systems and epubweb
15:53:07 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:53:16 [dauwhe]
... those urls look like multi-part mime
15:53:32 [dauwhe]
... so maybe we should get used to those semicolons in URI
15:53:40 [dauwhe]
ivan: for me, the packaged uris don't look that funny
15:53:55 [dauwhe]
... if you combine with packaging, what is done in the packaging spec is what should be done
15:54:03 [clapierre1]
looks like Readium supports the EPUB CFI https://github.com/readium/readium-cfi-js
15:54:06 [dauwhe]
... we are getting into technical discussions
15:54:11 [dauwhe]
... good topic for f2f
15:54:25 [dauwhe]
... we should have clear and clean idea of pros and cons of CFI
15:54:33 [dauwhe]
... it's in the same space as the selectors
15:54:41 [dauwhe]
... CFI provides you with a fragment ID
15:54:58 [dauwhe]
... is CFI was completely useful then the package spec approach combined with CFI and we are done
15:55:15 [dauwhe]
... so we need to have a clear idea in NY whether CFI works, or it does not work
15:55:25 [dauwhe]
... if it does not work, we need to look at alternatives
15:55:29 [dauwhe]
tzviya: we have five minutes
15:55:31 [tzviya]
ack Bill
15:56:03 [dauwhe]
Bill_Kasdorf: don't want to conflict with anno
15:56:10 [dauwhe]
tzviya: update on HTML footnote element
15:56:12 [ivan]
Topic: HTML5 + Footnote
15:56:28 [dauwhe]
... we followed offline with berjon and michaelTMsmith
15:56:50 [dauwhe]
... HTML will not have a formal proposal for an element, so we should pursue role with aria
15:57:07 [dauwhe]
... in the past, some roles have been promoted to element in HTML
15:57:14 [dauwhe]
... so we're moving forward with ARIA role
15:57:19 [TimCole]
q+
15:57:21 [dauwhe]
... maybe HTML will take it up in the future
15:57:26 [tzviya]
ack TimCole
15:57:36 [dauwhe]
TimCole: since most annos are third party
15:57:55 [dauwhe]
... there might be use cases where people mine footnotes as they mine annotations
15:58:13 [dauwhe]
... we should see how footnotes might be transformed into annotations
15:58:20 [dauwhe]
... we should keep that in mind
15:58:24 [dauwhe]
tzviya: we agree
15:58:33 [dauwhe]
... footnotes are somewhere in the middle of content and annotations
15:58:38 [azaroth]
+1 :)
15:58:53 [dauwhe]
tzviya: let us know if you're coming to the f2f
15:59:05 [tzviya]
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details
15:59:10 [Zakim]
-Karen_Myers
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-pkra
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-azaroth
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-philm
15:59:17 [dauwhe]
tzviya: see you next week
15:59:17 [Zakim]
-astearns
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-Bill_Kasdorf
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-pbelfanti
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-bjdmeest
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-clapierre
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-Ivan
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-Tzviya
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-deborahGU
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-TimCole
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-Markus
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-LDawson
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-Bert
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-NickRuffilo
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-pkeating
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-dauwhe
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15:59:46 [ivan]
zakim, who is here?
15:59:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see MikeMiller, Vlad
15:59:48 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Bert, bjdmeest, pbelfanti, Vlad, AH_Miller, mgylling, tzviya, LDawson, clapierre1, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pkra, ivan, plinss, iank, rego, astearns, mihnea_____,
15:59:48 [Zakim]
... liam, Karen, deborahGU, trackbot
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clapierre1 has left #dpub
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-MikeMiller
16:00:12 [ivan]
zakim, drop Vlad
16:00:12 [Zakim]
Vlad is being disconnected
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DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were clapierre, Tzviya, azaroth, Ivan, philm, Markus, +1.917.770.aaaa, Bill_Kasdorf, LDawson, +1.206.849.aabb, dauwhe, deborahGU, lfowler, pkeating, +1.206.675.aacc,
16:00:13 [Zakim]
... MikeMiller, Vlad, astearns, NickRuffilo, Karen_Myers, TimCole, [IPcaller], pkra, pbelfanti, bjdmeest, Bert
16:00:24 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:24 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:00:38 [ivan]
trackbot, end telcon
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Zakim, list attendees
16:00:38 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:00:46 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:46 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:47 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items