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<trackbot> Date: 09 February 2015
<tzviya> agenda: * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
<tzviya> * W3C publications relevant to publishing [2]
<tzviya> *i18n documentation review (Heather, Liza) [3]
<tzviya> * Document and fragment identification – A new direction for the Metadata TF
<tzviya> * Personalization use cases (Tzviya) [4]
<tzviya> * Footnote element in HTML (link to email chain) (time permitting) [5]
<tzviya> * Meeting on 16 Feb (US Presidents’ Day)
item 1 : last week minutes
<tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/02/02-dpub-minutes.html
No comments, minutes approved
<tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB
Thierry: document discussed 3 weeks ago, We agreed that we would publish it in a public wiki where evere one can edit it.
The second issue is about the review. there was a 2 weeks review period, but so far no feedback sent. Concerned by not enough review
Liza said she would send a reply
Heather will comment this week
<liza> I will also comment
Still open this week
liam, richard did contribute : please add to the document
in a week, pushed to the public wiki
Ivan: issue in the white paper on identification
Discussed earlier on proper URL to documents
Finding the URL is an issue for this IG
More in EPUB-WEB
Docuement on-line going off-line, links have to remain alive
<ivan> https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Identification
Which infrastructure to enable that?
Ivan made a write-up on the wiki page, see link
Any body should read through to improve it
comment or modify directly, or email, but discussion is expected
Liza: take a look, and will be discussed following weeks
review of typography on the web
link: [3] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Feb/0042.html
help prioritize the document
Liza: subject missings, page media for not web centric media
widows and orphans in international languages
some presentation may be missing
richard: next steps, suggestions helpful for layout requirements
recommendations welcome
<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links
arabic text, urdu text justification
<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks
let know of any good articles to add to this list
missing: quotation marks in other scripts
tzviya: how to make recommendations?
richard: japanese satandard could speak authoritatively
arabic in more difficult getting the representative people
recruit people who are really experts, member of a group in that script community
any good article welcome
<tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Personalization
separate personalization in t a specific link
add-in appreciated
everibody should look into it
Brady: need real work done from the CSS WG
certains rules in writing CSS
which way to accomplish these rules?
<trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Add information to personalization use cases [on Brady Duga - due 2015-02-16].for CSS wizard only
<liza> User stylesheets have been removed from many browsers, no?
make it easier to use default stylesheet
based on the cascade, then very difficult to change
the default CSS removed form browser
<liza> (I'm trying to find a citation for my comment)
<liza> https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?revision=234007&view=revision
Heather: it does not necessarily work?
Brady: we need to speak to CSS WG
tzviya: gather personalization in one place
a lot of mail
HTML has proposed to include a footnote element
asking for a feedback from us
interaction between html element, aria role, CSS class?
Definition: that element is a footnote
<foontnote> doesn’t mean anything about placement
especially in digital space
in print product, it may vary in placement
HTML5 footnote : do we support the introduction of this element
<Bill_Kasdorf> Agree with everything Tzviya said so far, except to point out that there are other types beyond footnote and endnote. That just reinforces her points.
ivan: non publisher, what footnote brings compare to aside?
<r12a> footnote tend to have anchors
tzviya: we could propose a definition
asides implies more than footnote
BiilK: footnote are not always asides
footnote has a reference
it is a valid semantic add
add for the proposed definition
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to making footnote an HTML element
adding thsi element is a good idea
<NickRuffilo> +1 For HTML element
<azaroth> +0
Tim: concern in encouraging this, take away from annotation
potential end up with just that
<azaroth> +1 to TimCole
<clapierre1> +1 as long as there is a way to specify the "type" of note this is
tzviya: for very basic footnote it is sufficient
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to charles
then a working definition should precise that
azaroth: annotation use cases go beyond the document
author notes vs reader notes
document authors could use annotations
BiilK: footnotes are part of the text, intrinsically
<tzviya> action contact HTML for working definition of footnote element
<trackbot> Error finding 'contact'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Contact the html wg for a working definition of footnote [on Tzviya Siegman - due 2015-02-16].
publishers and authors think as footnotes not annotations
<azaroth> To scribe my perspective: With a footnote element, there is a divide between notes added within the HTML document and those added by third parties, that might be otherwise identical in semantics, form and rendering. Avoiding two ways of doing the same thing is IMO preferable
Meeting on 16 Feb?
President ’s day in the US, most office are closed
<TimCole> not most universities
<Vlad> I am traveling next week, regrets from me
<philm> Our office is closed
<Mike_Miller> traveling on Monday
<Karen> Out on 16 Feb
<HeatherF> I'm available, but I suspect I'm in the minority.
next meeting on Feb 23rd
tzviya: F2F meeting in May, wiki page: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details
26th of May at Hachette Book Group, NYC
<r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
Richard: CSS WG published a document last week
on counter styles
codes for footnotes counters
an app implement this things
<r12a> http://rishida.net/tools/numberconverter/
all answers to automate numbering
tzviya: packaging spec!
also the linkit(?) spec
thank you