IRC log of html-media on 2015-01-13
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- 16:04:36 [ddorwin]
- this is html-media
- 16:04:44 [ddorwin]
- zakim, this is html-media
- 16:04:44 [Zakim]
- sorry, ddorwin, I do not see a conference named 'html-media' in progress or scheduled at this time
- 16:04:49 [joesteele]
- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
- 16:04:53 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
- 16:04:54 [trackbot]
- Date: 13 January 2015
- 16:05:16 [joesteele]
- scribe: joesteele
- 16:05:32 [joesteele]
- chair: ddorwin
- 16:05:57 [joesteele]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 16:05:57 [Zakim]
- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, joesteele
- 16:05:59 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, joesteele, Zakim, markw, davide, jdsmith, ddorwin, adrianba, trackbot
- 16:06:08 [ddorwin]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jan/0012.html
- 16:06:16 [joesteele]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 16:06:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
- 16:06:21 [joesteele]
- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
- 16:06:25 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
- 16:06:26 [trackbot]
- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
- 16:06:26 [trackbot]
- Date: 13 January 2015
- 16:06:45 [joesteele]
- Topic: Role Call
- 16:06:49 [joesteele]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 16:06:51 [Zakim]
- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, joesteele
- 16:06:51 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, joesteele, Zakim, markw, davide, jdsmith, ddorwin, adrianba, trackbot
- 16:07:12 [joesteele]
- Zakim, this will be html-media
- 16:07:13 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, joesteele
- 16:07:21 [joesteele]
- Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
- 16:07:22 [Zakim]
- ok, joesteele, I see HTML_WG()11:00AM already started
- 16:07:57 [joesteele]
- Topic: Bugs awaiting input
- 16:08:15 [joesteele]
- topic: Bug 27268 - Add a definition of a distinctive identifier
- 16:08:21 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27268
- 16:08:30 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: no replies from henri
- 16:08:41 [joesteele]
- ... implemented but no replies from henri since december
- 16:08:50 [joesteele]
- topic: Bug 27093 - Support for proprietary/system-specific formats in initData should be discouraged/deprecated
- 16:08:56 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27093
- 16:09:10 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: saw that joe replied yesterday -- no chance to reply as yet
- 16:09:17 [joesteele]
- ... any other comments?
- 16:09:53 [joesteele]
- joesteele: think I covered most of the three we discussed
- 16:09:57 [joesteele]
- ... might have missed one
- 16:10:08 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: might be good to discuss next week
- 16:10:22 [joesteele]
- topic: other bugs
- 16:10:25 [joesteele]
- topic: Bug 27738 - Need to change name of 'message' event to avoid confusion
- 16:10:31 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27738
- 16:10:41 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: filed by Glenn last week with some others
- 16:10:51 [joesteele]
- q?
- 16:10:59 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: posted some updates about names -- is this really a problem?
- 16:11:09 [joesteele]
- does someone have comments on this one?
- 16:11:42 [joesteele]
- ... messages are used for APIs and they are all used for simple events, we are using for custom events
- 16:11:46 [joesteele]
- ... should not do that
- 16:11:59 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: is this a big change? could accomodate
- 16:12:12 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: it is misleading as it is unlikely to relate to a key
- 16:12:17 [joesteele]
- ... it just about finding another name
- 16:12:19 [markw]
- q+
- 16:12:40 [joesteele]
- markw: I don't think keymessage is that bad
- 16:12:58 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: I agree - does not seem like a bad name
- 16:13:08 [markw]
- q-
- 16:13:18 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: I will do some more reseach and then make the change depending on the researfch
- 16:13:20 [joesteele]
- +1
- 16:13:33 [joesteele]
- topic: Bug 27739 - Change event name 'keyschange' to 'keychange'
- 16:13:40 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27739
- 16:14:01 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: I added some comments about this could imply key rotation, again a simple change, but needs feedback
- 16:14:17 [joesteele]
- ... also mentioned this depends on the next bug
- 16:14:24 [joesteele]
- <crickets/>
- 16:14:37 [joesteele]
- ... any basic comments?
- 16:14:57 [joesteele]
- ... any comments on what the name should be
- 16:15:06 [joesteele]
- topic: Bug 27740 - Suggest changing interface name 'MediaKeyStatuses' to 'MediaKeyStatusMap'
- 16:15:14 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27740
- 16:15:28 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: type so does not impact compatibility
- 16:15:51 [joesteele]
- ... noted that the attribute that uses this type is KeyStatuses -- do we want to change that? if so to what?
- 16:16:02 [markw]
- MediaKeyStatusMap and kekystatuschange seems good to me
- 16:16:21 [markw]
- s/kekystatuschange/keystatuschange/
- 16:16:27 [joesteele]
- +1
- 16:16:49 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: I guess the attribute could be keyStatusMap?
- 16:17:00 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: Glenn is objecting to the plural I think
- 16:17:12 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: my point is that is used in the attribute as well
- 16:17:33 [joesteele]
- ... ok we will make changes on those two as well
- 16:17:38 [joesteele]
- ... will take a shot at that
- 16:17:44 [joesteele]
- Topic: Issue #3 - Add "internal-error" to MediaKeyStatus enum
- 16:17:51 [joesteele]
- https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/3
- 16:18:14 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: could be other reasons that the key is not usable -- rather than force implementation to pick other reasons
- 16:18:30 [joesteele]
- ... many statuses existed before
- 16:18:38 [joesteele]
- ... will file a bug on one today
- 16:18:47 [joesteele]
- ... InternalError seems like a good name
- 16:18:51 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: like that also
- 16:18:55 [joesteele]
- +1
- 16:19:08 [markw]
- +1
- 16:19:13 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: intent is that an error that cannot be typed as one of the normal statuses
- 16:19:20 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: that makes senses
- 16:19:28 [joesteele]
- topic: Issue #1 - requestMediaKeySystemAccess()'s supportedConfigurations parameter should not be optional
- 16:19:37 [joesteele]
- https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/1
- 16:19:47 [joesteele]
- ddorinw: currently can pass a keySystem without any config
- 16:19:57 [joesteele]
- ... causes additional spec logic and complexity for implementations
- 16:20:07 [joesteele]
- ... config can also be null
- 16:20:30 [joesteele]
- ... proposal is to remove optional
- 16:20:41 [joesteele]
- ... discussion of can you pass an empty config?
- 16:21:26 [ddorwin]
- s/config can also be null/getConfiguration() can also return null/
- 16:21:42 [joesteele]
- joesteele: think I agree that it should be required
- 16:21:50 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: couple votes for that now
- 16:22:00 [joesteele]
- ... should we have any constraints on what the config can be?
- 16:22:01 [ddorwin]
- Should "[ { } ]" be a valid second parameter?
- 16:22:30 [joesteele]
- ... probably easiest to leave this, to avoid the extra logic in the spc
- 16:22:35 [joesteele]
- s/spc/spec/
- 16:22:47 [joesteele]
- ... need to make sure the main algorithm supports that
- 16:23:37 [joesteele]
- joesteele: were you thinking about security?
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- 16:24:11 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: no this was just to avoid the complexity of the logic, but this forces the developer to think about it
- 16:24:40 [joesteele]
- topic: Issue #7 - EME should not fire waiting or canplay events - use a separate mechanism
- 16:24:48 [joesteele]
- https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/7
- 16:25:09 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: we added waitingFor and fired the waiting event, firing canPlay etc
- 16:25:37 [joesteele]
- ... got feedback that this was not good, fired on transitions in the state machine which we agreed not to do
- 16:25:45 [joesteele]
- ... also changing the value of an attribute means a possible race condition
- 16:26:05 [joesteele]
- ... proposal is to simplify and revert the use of waitingFor and canPlay
- 16:26:13 [joesteele]
- ... just queue a simple waitingForKey event
- 16:26:32 [joesteele]
- ... simpler for implementations and applications
- 16:26:51 [joesteele]
- ... not indication of resuming playback, but you should not be relying on this for your playback
- 16:27:09 [joesteele]
- ... in the beginning you are already working on providing a key so it is not a problem
- 16:27:20 [joesteele]
- ... proposal is to remove that logic
- 16:27:49 [joesteele]
- joesteele: will have to think about that one more
- 16:28:07 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: thought this one would have the most discussion, would like to resolve relatively soon
- 16:28:13 [joesteele]
- ... would like to get feedback this week
- 16:28:44 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: have you looked through the resume logic and rationalized what will happen when we are not waitingForKeys, presumably you would get an event like that still
- 16:29:13 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: have not gone through the algorithm yet, if there is a thought that that is how this would go I can
- 16:29:39 [joesteele]
- ... you would want to internally track that it is in that state, we probably already have something like that internally
- 16:29:52 [joesteele]
- ... it is the public state that is spec'd and possibly wrong and hard to get right
- 16:30:03 [joesteele]
- ... not the end of the world to fire twice, but possibly bad if in the wrong state
- 16:30:24 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: if we can get by with a simple evenet, would be cleaner and preferable
- 16:30:31 [joesteele]
- ... have not had time to go through the spec and think about this
- 16:30:53 [joesteele]
- ... I think I made some of these changes. Not opposed to simplifying if we can.
- 16:31:12 [joesteele]
- ... Just need to confirm no downsides to stripping out the waitingFor information
- 16:31:28 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: so you will take a look at the bug and comment?
- 16:31:33 [joesteele]
- jdsmith: yes -- have to bail now
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- -jdsmith
- 16:32:04 [ddorwin]
- q?
- 16:32:11 [joesteele]
- topic: Issue #8 - Define behavior for implementations that delay playback until setMediaKeys() is called
- 16:32:18 [joesteele]
- https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/8
- 16:32:30 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: Jerry might care about this one as well
- 16:32:53 [joesteele]
- ... non-normative note that apps should call setMediaKeys before providing media data
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- scribe: joesteele_
- 16:36:18 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: waiting on Issue #7 to resolve this one
- 16:36:40 [joesteele_]
- topic: Issue 9 - Remove note that MediaKeySession events may not be fired until the MediaKeys object is associated with a media element
- 16:36:46 [joesteele_]
- https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/9
- 16:36:56 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: need Jerrys input on this -- please review
- 16:37:16 [joesteele_]
- ... currently text that in some implementations mediakey implementations will not fire events
- 16:37:25 [joesteele_]
- ... breaks some use case
- 16:37:34 [joesteele_]
- ... probably should remove this note and discourage those implementations
- 16:37:46 [joesteele_]
- ... believe this came from Microsoft so need Jerrys input
- 16:37:57 [joesteele_]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
- 16:38:07 [ddorwin]
- topic: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27138 - Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations
- 16:38:20 [joesteele_]
- topic: Bug 27138
- 16:38:24 [ddorwin]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27138
- 16:38:49 [ddorwin]
- In the November 11th telecon, http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-html-media-minutes.html#item10. Feedback from others is also welcome
- 16:38:51 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: this is related to the algorithms, no one has commented, Jerry would review
- 16:39:13 [joesteele_]
- s/Bug 27138/Bug 27138 - Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations/
- 16:39:29 [ddorwin]
- s/In the November 11th telecon, http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-html-media-minutes.html#item10. Feedback from others is also welcome/In the November 11th telecon, Jerry said he would review it./
- 16:39:33 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: comments are welcome
- 16:39:52 [joesteele_]
- ... this affects beasically every algorithm
- 16:40:03 [joesteele_]
- ... that is all the bugs
- 16:40:07 [joesteele_]
- ... any other bug comments?
- 16:40:19 [joesteele_]
- s/beasically/basically/
- 16:40:24 [joesteele_]
- topic: other business
- 16:40:31 [joesteele_]
- topic: Issue tracking
- 16:40:50 [ddorwin]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jan/0009.html
- 16:40:53 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: sent out the email about using github
- 16:41:04 [markw]
- +1 for switching to GitHub
- 16:41:19 [joesteele_]
- ... we have a mix now -- would like to drive the buginizer to zero and continue to file bugs in github
- 16:41:24 [joesteele_]
- ... seems to work well now
- 16:41:46 [markw]
- s/buginizer/bugzilla/
- 16:42:19 [joesteele_]
- joesteele: so we will continue to resolve existing bugs in bugzilla, new bugs will go to github
- 16:42:30 [markw]
- when we have only a few left in bugzilla we might want to move those to GitHib
- 16:42:31 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: yes. some of the new bugs are just tracking stuff I need to do
- 16:42:42 [joesteele_]
- ... don't appear to be many that we need to move
- 16:42:54 [joesteele_]
- ... except maybe that last one
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- ddorwin: we will still receive emails from the old Bugzilla and can ask folks to move them to github
- 16:44:06 [joesteele_]
- ... someone would have to find the component eventually
- 16:44:11 [Zakim]
- +BobLund
- 16:44:23 [joesteele_]
- ... and then update the status of the document that has new bugs in github
- 16:44:33 [joesteele_]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
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- Zakim, who is here?
- 16:44:37 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ddorwin, joesteele, markw, davide, BobLund
- 16:44:39 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see BobLund, joesteele_, jamilellis, RRSAgent, Zakim, markw, davide, ddorwin, adrianba, trackbot
- 16:45:07 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: thanks everyone! that's all for now
- 16:45:13 [joesteele_]
- joesteele: MSE next week?
- 16:45:33 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: probably should email thread on that
- 16:45:45 [joesteele_]
- joesteele: I will go ahead and send that out
- 16:46:06 [joesteele_]
- ddorwin: need folks to respond, but can probably skip EME meeting next week
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- -davide
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- s/https:\/\/www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27138 - Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations//
- 16:47:05 [joesteele_]
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- -ddorwin
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were ddorwin, jdsmith, joesteele, markw, davide, BobLund
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- s/27138 - Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations//
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- s/Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations//g
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- s/can you pass an empty config/"can you pass an empty config"/
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- s/of can you/of whether you can/
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- s/Bug 27138 - /Bug 27138 - Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
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- Zakim, list particpants
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- I don't understand 'list particpants', joesteele_
- 16:55:13 [joesteele_]
- Zakim, list participants
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- sorry, joesteele_, I don't know what conference this is
- 16:55:23 [joesteele_]
- Zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items