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12:46:56 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
12:46:56 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
12:50:56 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
12:50:56 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
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12:50:58 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
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12:59:40 <Zakim> +Paul_Higgs
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13:00:21 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:00:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs
13:00:23 <yosuke> yosuke has joined #webtv
13:00:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam, skim13, whyun, Paul_Higgs, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, glenn, sangwhan, timeless, tobie, schuki, trackbot
13:00:28 <ddavis> ddavis has joined #webtv
13:00:36 <Zakim> +gmandyam
13:00:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:00:57 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is skim13
13:00:57 <Zakim> +skim13; got it
13:01:03 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, gmandyam, skim13
13:01:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddavis, yosuke, gmandyam, skim13, whyun, Paul_Higgs, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, glenn, sangwhan, timeless, tobie, schuki, trackbot
13:01:21 <Zakim> +??P29
13:01:25 <ddavis> zakim, ??P29 is me
13:01:25 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
13:01:41 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
13:01:45 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
13:01:45 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
13:01:52 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ddavis (34%)
13:01:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:02:07 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is yosuke
13:02:07 <Zakim> +yosuke; got it
13:02:09 <Zakim> +??P15
13:02:20 <whyun> zakim, ??P15 is me
13:02:20 <Zakim> +whyun; got it
13:02:39 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:02:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, gmandyam, skim13, ddavis (muted), yosuke, whyun
13:02:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddavis, yosuke, gmandyam, skim13, whyun, Paul_Higgs, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, glenn, sangwhan, timeless, tobie, schuki, trackbot
13:03:20 <kaz> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2014Sep/0005.html
13:03:35 <whyun> zakim, mute me
13:03:35 <Zakim> whyun should now be muted
13:05:11 <ddavis> zakim, who is on the call?
13:05:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, gmandyam, skim13, ddavis (muted), yosuke, whyun (muted)
13:07:43 <kaz> scribenick: ka
13:07:49 <kaz> s/ka/kaz/
13:07:52 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
13:08:02 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: yosuke (95%)
13:08:40 <kaz> topic: f2f agenda
13:09:06 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Face-to-face_meeting_during_TPAC_2014 f2f wiki
13:09:07 <yosuke> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Face-to-face_meeting_during_TPAC_2014
13:09:51 <kaz> yosuke: the wiki describes title, time and moderator
13:09:57 <kaz> ... you can add your ideas
13:10:48 <kaz> ... have put a couple of topics already
13:11:30 <kaz> ... e.g., TTA' presentation about the hybrid TV standard in Korea
13:11:30 <kaz> ... checking with the Team
13:11:48 <kaz> ... the second topic is a joint session with the a11y tf
13:12:24 <kaz> kaz: checking with the tf
13:12:32 <kaz> ... will talk with them on IRC today
13:13:43 <kaz> ... basic strategy is holding a brief session on the current discussion on Monday during our f2f meeting
13:13:56 <kaz> ... and then holding a joint discussion on Thu or Fri
13:14:05 <kaz> yosuke: think Thu would be better
13:14:30 <kaz> ... since some more people would be able to join
13:14:30 <kaz> kaz: ok
13:14:35 <kaz> ... will mention that
13:14:57 <kaz> action: kaz to finalize the joint session schedule with the a11y tf
13:14:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Finalize the joint session schedule with the a11y tf [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2014-09-24].
13:15:33 <kaz> yosuke: note that there will be an AC session on Thursday
13:15:37 <kaz> kaz: right
13:16:40 <kaz> yosuke: the third topic is talking about the next steps for the 2nd round use cases
13:17:07 <kaz> ... e.g., fingerprinting/watermarking
13:17:12 <ddavis> Maybe going over miscellaneous items
13:17:13 <kaz> ... and synchronization
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13:17:28 <ddavis> E.g. issues from external groups.
13:17:30 <kaz> q+
13:18:06 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
13:18:16 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: yosuke (24%), Paul_Higgs (29%)
13:18:43 <ddavis> zakim, who is noisy?
13:18:53 <Zakim> ddavis, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
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13:20:17 <ddavis> zakim, unmute me
13:20:17 <Zakim> ddavis should no longer be muted
13:20:34 <ddavis> zakim, mute me
13:20:34 <Zakim> ddavis should now be muted
13:20:47 <yosuke> Do you mean we should not deal with the presentation API in the f2f meeting, Kaz?
13:20:49 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
13:21:02 <ddavis> I thought there should be the chance for meeting attendees who belong to external groups to raise issues/requirements/comments.
13:21:37 <ddavis> Similary to Jon Piesing's comments on behalf of HbbTV at the TV workshop - he raised awareness of bugs he submitted.
13:21:49 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:21:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, gmandyam, skim13, ddavis (muted), yosuke, whyun (muted), Mark_Vickers
13:21:50 <yosuke> Yes. But that's always true... So what's your point?
13:21:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcverdie, GeunHyung_Kim, ddavis, yosuke, gmandyam, skim13, whyun, Paul_Higgs, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, glenn, sangwhan, timeless, tobie, schuki, trackbot
13:22:13 <ddavis> OK, just wanted to make sure there'd be a slot for that.
13:22:14 <Zakim> + +1.979.985.aaaa
13:22:27 <ddavis> Oh, we're just talking about Presentation API now?
13:22:39 <ddavis> OK. Sorry, I must have misheard.
13:22:56 <yosuke> FYI: JonP doesn't belong to a W3C member organisation.
13:23:01 <GeunHyung_Kim> GeunHyung Kim
13:23:14 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is GeunHyung_Kim
13:23:14 <Zakim> +GeunHyung_Kim; got it
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13:23:24 <ddavis> No, but there maybe people who are members who are in a similar position.
13:23:40 <ddavis> Anyway, sorry for raising this at the wrong time.
13:24:04 <kaz> q+ to propose another session on external group's requirements
13:24:30 <MarkVickers> Q+
13:25:06 <kaz> ack mark
13:25:36 <kaz> [ let's start with the presentation api ]
13:26:27 <kaz> yosuke: just got a message from Louy
13:26:30 <kaz> ... on presentation api
13:26:40 <kaz> s/Louy/Louay/
13:27:04 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2014Sep/0008.html Louay's proposal
13:27:13 <kaz> yosuke: any other opinions?
13:27:20 <kaz> mark: content identification
13:27:23 <kaz> ... content searching
13:27:42 <kaz> ... one of my colleagues will send a proposal
13:27:54 <kaz> ... probably will lead a new requirement
13:27:56 <Zakim> -yosuke
13:28:21 <kaz> kaz: when will he send the proposal?
13:28:29 <kaz> mark: will check
13:28:57 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Face-to-face_meeting_during_TPAC_2014 agenda wiki
13:29:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:29:30 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is yosuke
13:29:30 <Zakim> +yosuke; got it
13:30:20 <kaz> yosuke: wiki? or ML?
13:30:26 <kaz> kaz: maybe ML?
13:30:39 <kaz> mark: he'll send it to the ML soon
13:30:58 <kaz> yosuke: any other topics?
13:31:05 <kaz> q?
13:31:05 <MarkVickers> Glenn Deen from Universal Studios
13:31:19 <kaz> ack k
13:31:19 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to propose another session on external group's requirements
13:31:43 <ddavis> Some attendees belong to external groups.
13:31:53 <kaz> (= non Members)
13:32:00 <ddavis> It might be good to give them an opportunity to highlight issues, bugs or requirements.
13:32:17 <Zakim> -whyun
13:32:21 <ddavis> It could be bugs they have submitted to other WGs that are outstanding.
13:32:48 <ddavis> It could be work that they're doing that they'd like to align with W3C.
13:32:49 <Zakim> +??P15
13:32:58 <whyun> zakim, ??P15 is me
13:32:58 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
13:32:59 <Zakim> +whyun; got it
13:33:07 <ddavis> Or just an opportunity for comments, to show we're listening.
13:33:10 <whyun> zakim, mute me
13:33:10 <Zakim> whyun should now be muted
13:33:11 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: yosuke (29%)
13:33:24 <kaz> yosuke: what do you mean?
13:33:42 <kaz> ... HbbTV guys have issued bugs on Bugzilla already
13:34:08 <ddavis> Yes.
13:34:19 <kaz> ... and Member companies should post their suggestions to relevant MLs, etc.
13:34:30 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
13:34:41 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: yosuke (100%)
13:35:03 <ddavis> It's just a suggestion.
13:35:27 <ddavis> We don't have to include it if there doesn't seem to be value in it.
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13:35:48 <kaz> yosuke: not sure what to do for that, but could add the topic later
13:36:00 <ddavis> OK. I wasn't thinking of anything formal.
13:36:09 <ddavis> Just an informal chance for others to speak up.
13:36:34 <ddavis> We could do, but I was thinking of an opportunity to raise new things that we haven't considered.
13:36:51 <kaz> kaz: so you would ask IG participants as external group reps for opinions?
13:37:26 <kaz> paul: giving opportunity to them
13:37:30 <kaz> ddavis: yes
13:38:06 <ddavis> But we don't have to if it's not appropriate.
13:38:08 <kaz> kaz: so for Yosuke to raise an issue as the rep from IPTVF-J
13:38:31 <kaz> yosuke: that's a presentation by external orgs
13:38:45 <kaz> ... their focus is not directly improving W3C specs
13:40:20 <kaz> kaz: probably the proposal is just asking the IG participants for opinions if we have enough time after the main discussion
13:40:42 <kaz> mark: ask people for opinions on the current status, etc.
13:40:48 <kaz> s/ask/asking/
13:40:58 <kaz> ... we can have a dialog
13:41:27 <kaz> yosuke: we can find new viewpoints from that dialog
13:41:38 <kaz> ... through the casual conversations
13:41:41 <kaz> mark: agree
13:41:47 <kaz> paul: agree
13:42:04 <kaz> ... we already have TTA
13:42:31 <kaz> ... we might want to hear from Australia and north America, etc.
13:42:37 <kaz> yosuke: sounds good
13:42:53 <kaz> ... having an alignment session would make sense
13:43:14 <kaz> ... like the one we had during the Munich WS
13:43:24 <kaz> ... hear from different organizations
13:43:34 <kaz> ... we could try to capture their opinions
13:43:45 <kaz> ... what they want to standardize
13:43:51 <ddavis> Yes, that sounds good.
13:43:57 <ddavis> Thanks for the discussion.
13:44:15 <ddavis> Actually better than what I was initially thinking!
13:44:30 <kaz> yosuke: any other topics for today?
13:44:44 <kaz> paul: liaison letter with ATSC?
13:45:05 <kaz> giri: don't wait till TPAC
13:45:21 <kaz> ... early October deadline
13:45:27 <kaz> ... so would send it out asap
13:45:52 <kaz> yosuke: reviewing the draft response
13:46:12 <kaz> ... let's finalize it after this call
13:46:33 <kaz> mark: agree we'll send it out asap
13:46:39 <kaz> yosuke: ok
13:46:43 <kaz> ... anything else?
13:46:48 <kaz> (nothing)
13:47:18 <Zakim> -gmandyam
13:47:36 <kaz> kaz: next call?
13:47:38 <Zakim> -Paul_Higgs
13:47:47 <kaz> yosuke: would talk within the co-Chair group
13:47:50 <kaz> kaz: fine
13:48:03 <ddavis> Thanks Yosuke, and Kaz for scribing.
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13:48:14 <Zakim> -ddavis
13:48:16 <Zakim> -GeunHyung_Kim
13:48:20 <kaz> i/ATSC/topic: Liaison letter with ATSC/
13:48:21 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
13:48:31 <kaz> i/next call/topic: Next call/
13:48:34 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
13:48:41 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:48:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:48:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:48:53 <Zakim> -whyun
13:48:54 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has ended
13:48:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, gmandyam, skim13, ddavis, yosuke, whyun, Mark_Vickers, +1.979.985.aaaa, GeunHyung_Kim
13:50:47 <kaz> Present: Kaz, Paul, Giri, SungHei, Daniel, Yosuke, Wook, Mark, GeunHyung
13:51:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:52:14 <kaz> Chair: Yosuke
13:52:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:52:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:53:06 <kaz> s/(= non Members)//
13:53:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:55:07 <kaz> Meeting: Web and TV IG
13:55:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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