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<trackbot> Date: 09 September 2014
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> scribenick: davidb
RS: did I see David Bolter is a scribe!?
<clown> action-1506?
<trackbot> action-1506 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Create editors draft of name/description computation document in github -- due 2014-09-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1506
JS: my focus here is to get this into its own document, then text can be clarified.
RS: steve could help here
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aapi/#accessible-name-and-description-calculation
DB: are you looking to abstract this?
RS: abstract and then give concrete language for host language
(RS working on SVG)
JD: I'm fine with that
DB: some broad stroke sentences might help at the beginning yeah
<clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20090224/#mapping_special_te
that is a link to the original (aaronlev) algorithm style text
JS: I think it is Aaron Leventhal's
RS: step by step is important
JD: seeing examples is useful are there official w3c tests?
JS: yep
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness
JS: there are the tests etc for ARIA 1.0
<Zakim> Joanmarie_Diggs, you wanted to ask if there are existing tests for this?
<clown> action-980?
<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-08-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
discussion about visibility
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility
<clown> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/AT-APIs/MSAA/States
JS: move this to its own section, list the managed states with pointers into the document where already described
(bullet 1 text)
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#WAIARIAAttributes
RS: this is about once you apply
the aria role ...
... in 5.3. though there are implicit semantics
(looking at circle)
RS: trying to make sure a11y tree
doesn't get too fat
... in webkit they said, if you put a tite, desc, or
aria-label*, you get a group role (in absence of specified aria
role)
... should aria-describedby trigger a group role
title and desc are global native
DB: my hands aren't dirty enough here
<clown> <circle … aria-describedby="id"> <span id="id">This is???</span>
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaDescribedBy
(circle should be in the tree in this case)
(discussion of "none" role)
proceeding with 'none' over deprecated 'presentation'
time check
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