IRC log of html-a11y on 2014-09-08

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 08 September 2014
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has not yet started, MarkS
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, jaymunro, rubys, halindrome, richardschwerdtfeger, newtron, janina, IanPouncey, MarkS, joanie, cabanier, hober, sivoais, liam, trackbot
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zakim, this is 2119
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ok, MarkS; that matches WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Sam, MarkS, cabanier, [Microsoft]
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zakim, microsoft has me
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+jaymunro; got it
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zakim, who is making noise?
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MarkS, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rich_Schwerdtfeger (80%), cabanier (24%)
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Meeting: Canvas Task Force
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Chair: Sam Ruby
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agenda+ Testing Status
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agenda+ Implementations Update
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agenda+ Level 1 CR
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agenda+ Heartbeat Level 2
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agenda+ Next Meeting
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scribe: MarkS
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 1. "Testing Status" taken up [from rubys]
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2014JulSep/0027.html
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JM: assembled these items from recent emails
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...have drawFocus tests. Some may need to be updated.
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...don't know if there are any tests for Hit Regions
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...Rich gave a great list of methods for testing.
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RS: mark, how many tests do we have
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MS: no tests since the new features were added
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RS: what do we have?
22:11:01 [jaymunro]
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/#dom-context-2d-drawfocusifneeded
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From PLH:
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From what I understand hit regions to be about, those are adding
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information on mouse events (region) and can make routings events to DOM
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elements automatic. Since we don't retarget, the target of a click event
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in within a hit region in a canvas is still the canvas element. No where
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in those steps do we talk about informing the user by the way.
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Btw, regarding step 4 of drawFocusIfNeeded, it currently says:
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[[
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4. Inform the user of the location given by the path. The full location
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of the corresponding fallback element is passed to the accessibility
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API, if supported. User agents may wait until the next time the event
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loop reaches its "update the rendering" step to inform the user.
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Note: "Inform the user", as used in this section, could mean calling a
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system accessibility API, which would notify assistive technologies such
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as magnification tools. To properly drive magnification based on a focus
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change, a system accessibility API driving a screen magnifier needs the
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bounds for the newly focused object. The methods above are intended to
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enable this by allowing the user agent to report the bounding box of the
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path used to render the focus outline as the bounds of the element
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element passed as an argument, if that element is focused, and the
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bounding box of the area to which the user agent is scrolling as the
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bounding box of the current selection.
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]]
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Should the step 4 read instead, since you want to given the location the
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current path used for the focus ring, and NOT the location of the
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fallback element:
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[[
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4. Inform the user of the location given by the current path. The full
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location of the corresponding current path is passed to the
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accessibility API, if supported. User agents may wait until the next
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time the event loop reaches its "update the rendering" step to inform
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the user.
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RS: When you do the association of the path with the fallback element, that gives the fallback element a new location
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RC: yes
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MS: That makes sense
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RC: If this is not working correctly in FF, file a bug, send me a file and I'll take a look
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RS: The issue is that the location was being reported for the fallback element, not the path
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ACTION: for MarkS to create a test file and send to Rik for debugging
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Error finding 'for'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
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ACTION: MarkS to create a test file and send to Rik for debugging
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Created ACTION-283 - Create a test file and send to rik for debugging [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-09-15].
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RC: create a bugzilla bug, is better
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RS: Mark in your test file you have two hit regions. We need to test that multiple hit regions are supported. Can use the same test file for multiple tests. We need to test a div with aria markup.
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...need to make sure those location values can be overridden
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...I can run tests here
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MS: I've had success creating demos, they just need to be converted into simple test cases
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RS: How many test cases do we want?
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...need tests for scrolling and moving the window
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MS: I would love to have a list of testable statements that need tests written
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RS: I can get started on that
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...maybe post them on the wiki
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https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Canvas_Task_Force/Work_Statement (one area)
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https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Canvas_Task_Force/ (root)
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"The methods above are intended to enable this by allowing the user agent to report the bounding box of the path used to render the focus outline as the bounds of the element element passed as an argument, if that element is focused, and the bounding box of the area to which the user agent is scrolling as the bounding box of the current selection."
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"If the focus area is not on the screen, then scroll the focus outline into view by aligning it to the top when it receives focus.
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RS: Firefox doesn't currently scroll to the top of the page
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...will need a test file with a lot of space before the canvas to test this
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https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Canvas_Task_Force/CR-Test
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SR: Do we have any dates for getting this work done?
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RS: lets aim to get this done by the end of the month
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SR: All tests will be written and run by the end of the month
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RS: We can record results there as well
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 2. "Implementations Update" taken up [from rubys]
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MS: I've had success with these features in Firefox Nightly and Chrome Canary
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...based on preliminary testing, we have support in those two browsers
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RC: Anyone test in Safari 8?
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...I recently added support for drawFocus
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RS: do they have any issues with Hit Regions?
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RC: no, it just hasn't been implemented yet
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 3. "Level 1 CR" taken up [from rubys]
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JM: I think the only thing that is holding up progress is testing
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SR: That is also my understanding
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 3 was just opened, MarkS
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zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, Level 1 CR, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Heartbeat Level 2 [from rubys]
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 4. "Heartbeat Level 2" taken up [from rubys]
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SR: I think the plan is to switch to ReSpec?
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JM: I haven't heard that, but its possible
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RC: I think that is true for HTML (moving to respec) but I don't know about canvas
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JM: since canvas is part of that same document, then perhaps canvas will go the same route
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SR: no need for a heartbeat then
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 5. "Next Meeting" taken up [from rubys]
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SR: we should at least change the IRC channel
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...also would appreciate a different time slot
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RC: two hours earlier?
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MS: WFM
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RS: i can only do an hour earlier
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JM: I can also do 1 hour earlier or 90 minutes earlier
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JM: should we consider a different day?
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...tuesday and friday work well for me
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RS: I can do Friday afternoon 2Central
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MS: WFM
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JM: same
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SR: 9/26 for next meeting?
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...bi-weekly
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MS: #canvas-api for channel name?
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[agreement]
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Next meeting will be 9/26 in #canvas-api
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-cabanier
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-Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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-Sam
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-[Microsoft]
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-MarkS
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WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Sam, MarkS, cabanier, jaymunro
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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yes, I can do that
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