<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

<scribe> Scribe: ArtB

<scott_gonzalez> Is the call choppy for anyone else?

<jrossi> me too

<Asir> Choppy - yes

<Asir> Better now

<smaug_> skype issues here

Tweak agenda

AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0041.html

<scott_gonzalez> Asir, I think you might need to mute.

… any change requests?

[ None ]

<Asir> Very choppy

<smaug_> that is me

Open Pull Requests

AB: we have 3 PRs that are open so I would like to understand the status and plans to complete (merge) them
... PR-1119;  9.1.1 pen restriction and 14.1 update according to spec; https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1119
... PR-1121; SVG touch-action tests; https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1121
... PR-1124; Updates and new tests for TAs 2.4.1, 3.6, 3.6.1, 4.3, 4.3.1;  https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1124
... any status on 1119?

… we need review?

JR: yes

AB: who can commit to reviewing 1119?

MB: I'll do it today

AV: very simple

<scribe> ACTION: Matt review PR 1119 and Merge if it is OK [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Review pr 1119 and merge if it is ok [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-08-12].

AB: what about 1121?

MB: this is also waiting for review

JR: it's a new test

… tests touch-action with SVG elements

… slightly diff than other touch-action tests

… uses a button that can be tapped

… otherwise pretty straight forward

AB: any volunteers?

… Doug, you're Mr. SVG

DS: oh, right

<scribe> ACTION: doug review PR 1121 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Review pr 1121 [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-08-12].

AV: if Doug is ok with the test, may he merge it?

AB: yes, I think that is appropriate
... so what about 1124?

MB: Sangwhan reviewed it and submitted comments

… he is discussing with Cathy

JR: I need to catch up on the related email between Cathy and Sangwhan

<mbrubeck> Discussion at https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/2175 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0044.html

AB: ok, then let's wait for the discussion to continue

JR: looks like Artem will need to make a few changes

AB: ok, thanks all

Test assertion data

AB: TA wiki has a couple of entries that I'd some clarification https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions
... PR-1112 entries: why are the related assertions for this merged PR marked Yellow? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1112
... PR-1113 entries: why are the related assertions for this merged PR marked Yellow? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1113

SG: the wiki hadn't been updated yet

AV: I use yellow when something is not yet approved and merged

… if there is no test case, I used Red

AB: ok, let me take a look at 1112 and 1113

… I now see those entries are Green

AV: All - after you review and merge, please mark the TAs as Greeen

… this TA table should be in Github

… that would help keep them in sync

JR: probably too late for this spec

AB: that's an excellent idea

Assertions needing test cases

AB: we have some assertions that need test case and that means we need some volunteer(s)
... 5.3 ("Microsoft will submit"); https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_pointermove_events
... 11.3; https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_lostpointercapture_events
... 13.4; https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_setPointerCapture
... 15.{11,18,19,20} ("Microsoft will submit") https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property

AV: yes, a PR for 5.3 is on the way

AB: what about 11.3?

AV: Cathy added this TA

… we have no volunteer

JR: yes, this was added late

AB: any volunteers for 11.3?

JR: we need to change IE for 11.3

<scribe> ACTION: barstow make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 11.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for ta 11.3 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-08-12].

AB: what about 13.4?

AV: Cathy added this one late too

… in the future, we should start with Test Cases and then create the Test Assertions

<scribe> ACTION: barstow Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 13.4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for ta 13.4 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-08-12].

AB: what is the priority of have a test for 11.3 and 13.4?

… IOW, should tests for these two TAs block CR interop testing?

… not sure if we need to block CR testing for these two

JR: I tend to see these as edge cases

<Asir> These are edge cases

SG: not sure about how much of an edge case it is

JR: I don't think we implement 11.3 now but we will change

… that said, I haven't heard of confusion for that scenario

SG: if no one writes test case before I return online in 2 weeks, I can write the tests

AB: thanks Scott
... ... 15.{11,18,19,20} ("Microsoft will submit") https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property

AV: yes, a PR is on the way

AB: great, thanks
... what's the status of "To-be-added: Assertions for touch-ACTION: manipulation" https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property

AV: we are submitting related tests for 15.20 so I don't know what the last TA means

AB: who added it?

AV: I think Cathy did

AB: do you think your test for 15.20 will cover this?

AV: I can say that 15.20 will cover manipulation

JR: think we only need one real test

… for that feature

AB: so it sounds like Cathy should review 15.20 when it is available and let us know if there is still something related to manipulation that is needed

… sound about right?

<scribe> ACTION: Cathy review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-119 - Review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios [on Cathy Chan - due 2014-08-12].

AoB

AB: anything else for today?
... not seeing a need ATM for a call next week so a call in 2 weeks is probably the earliest
... thanks everyone

… meeting adjourned

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Present: Art_Barstow Jacob_Rossi Asir_Vedamuthu Matt_Brubeck Doug_Schepers Scott_González
Regrets: Patrick_Lauke Rick_Byers Cathy_Chan
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0041.html
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Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html
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