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<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
<NeilMilliken> I promised I would share the information on the BBC Project on Neurodiversity - there is now a public link http://www.bbc.co.uk/diversity/disability/neurodiversityatthebbc.html
<NeilMilliken> thanks jim
<allanj> scribe: allanj
<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: allanj
<NeilMilliken> Wipes brow
ls: peer review for last week?
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2014Feb/0000.html
in UAAG
3.1.1 Reduce Interruptions: The user can avoid or defer: (Level AA)
Recognized messages that are non-essential or low priority
Information in the user agent user interface that is being updated or changing
Rendered content that is being updated or changing
UAAG is about the user agent interface and its rendering of the content. It isn't about the content itself -- that would be covered by WCAG. Although some of the ideas were very good, they would more appropriate to WCAG, not UAAG.
UAWG could not suggest a way that the user agent would be able to determine the "core use-cases" in a testable manner.
UAWG could not suggest a testable way that the user agent could determine what UI messages were low priority. UAWG did note that many user agents did use the technique of a checkbox in the messages "Do not show me this message again" for message that the user agent considered low priority. UAWG received another comment that the user agents had no way to test what would be a low priority for...
scribe: the browser.
There is not a way for flagging the priority of content or user interface messages other than aria-live. It is not clear if ARIA does applies to user agents visually blocking content, as the spec speaks explicitly to assistive technologies, and is ambiguous whether it applies to user agents. Note that assistive technology does not presently have consistent support ARIA in the user interface.
The User Agent Working Group, after considering the taskforce's and other comments, have decided to remove the SC. We have determined that the provisions of the SC are untestable or are covered by other SCs.
UAWG wants to review our decision with the experts of the CATF in case they have an alternative solution to the testability problem with the success criterion.
<Lisa_Seeman> allanj: Uawg is about the browser
<Lisa_Seeman> debra rue: sees the piont
dr: this is an important issue, agree with the points, no solution.
johnr: content issues. author could flag content as important or not
ja: flag doesn't exist
johnr: perhaps need a tag for "simple" for author to include in test. need to change COGA documents to reflect content as well as design
ls: when discussion
interactions
... with aria live, is there a way to address it.
... chat interruptions, when trying to fill out a form, keep
getting interrupted by other web pages requiring input
... how to set do not disturb across web pages.
... this seems a browser issue
td: content and tagging content. it's not just the browser, there are many layers of AT that may sit on top or aside may also impact messaging
nm: need something to mute without turning off.
ls: use cases ...
... 1. working on agenda, need a break, go to facebook, and you
bounce between app, need to mute them
... 2. may need other tabs open to complete your task. need to
mute other applications
ja: what about 'away checkbox' in skype, authors could put them all apps.
ls: needs to be easy to set as away, and back on a global basis
<Lisa_Seeman> acj john
<Lisa_Seeman> John: could extentions be a way to conform
<Lisa_Seeman> Aj: yes
<Lisa_Seeman> tony: extetions are not avilible on all devices
<Lisa_Seeman> AJ: good piont - will bring that up
td: browser extensions, extensions only work on higher powered browsers, not so much on tablets and smartphones.
<JohnRochford> Agree
<NeilMilliken> agree
<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
Lisa: Any comments for Down Syndrome gap analysis in the next week or two?
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/ds
Debra: DS gap analysis is first draft. Recognizes more work is to be performed.
<KateDeibel> +q
<Susann_Keohane> http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#ref-section
<KateDeibel> -q
John: References to all of the papers to which Kate referred us are on our Research Sources page at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Research_sources
Kate: Will send actual papers to Debra.
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: debra rue to look at kates research, add either "todo box" to the DS section OR incorporate it into the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Rue to look at kates research, add either "todo box" to the ds section or incorporate it into the wiki [on Debra Ruh - due 2014-07-28].
Debra: References, in DS gap analysis, to RNIB guidelines, etc., include DS research
Lisa: I don't see the DS research cited in the pages related to those links.
Debra: Will check the links.
Lisa: Concerned about groups referencing each other's work in a circular fashion
<KateDeibel> +q
Debra: Research cited may not have been specific to DS, but rather for people with ID in general
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: debra rue to look link of the guidelines sectio, check links and remove guidlines that are not based on resech on DS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Rue to look link of the guidelines sectio, check links and remove guidlines that are not based on resech on ds [on Debra Ruh - due 2014-07-28].
<Lisa_Seeman> ack -
<NeilMilliken> agree
Agree
<Lisa_Seeman> Lisa: DS is in the firstc chunk
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/ADHD
Lisa: ADD is not in first chunk, but is looking for work to be done on it so it can be
Susann: On Aging and Dementia gap analysis, headings work was done; citations work could not be performed because of lack of access to articles.
<KateDeibel> +q
Susann: A&D gap analysis is ready for review.
<KateDeibel> katherine.deibel@gmail.com
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: susan to ask kate for refrences [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Error finding 'susan'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: Susann_Keohane to ask kate for refrences [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html#action04]
<KateDeibel> -q
actionn: Susann_Keohane to ask KateDeibel for references
<NeilMilliken> I have to drop off now
John: My apologies, but I must leave the conversation now. Lisa, would you please submit the necessary close commands? Thanks.
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: Susann_Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Susann_Keohane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: SusannKeohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Error finding 'SusannKeohane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: Susann Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [on Susann Keohane - due 2014-07-28].
<KateDeibel> *thumbs up*
<KateDeibel> going to a meeting now
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