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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

08 May 2014

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Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
Janina
Scribe
Léonie Watson, JF

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 08 May 2014

<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

<LJWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson

<LJWatson> scribenick LJWatson

Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html

Longdesc

<LJWatson> MS: Chaals and I are working on a CR ready draft.

<LJWatson> MS: We can then run it past the TF, and PF and HTML WGs.

<LJWatson> MS: Waiting on results for the exit criteria CFC. Didn't see a lot of contention.

<LJWatson> JS: Then the testing report?

<LJWatson> MS: Right.

Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps

<LJWatson> MS: A LC ready draft has been published.

<MarkS> Last Call Stable Draft of Canvas

<LJWatson> MS: Will be run through HTML WG. Once approved, should be published within the next two weeks after.

<LJWatson> MS: Will reach out to implementors when the LC draft is stable.

<LJWatson> MS: To ask about implementation timetables.

<LJWatson> MS: Do not have contact at Apple. Believe MS/IE is working on implementation.

Media Subteam

<LJWatson> MS: No formal meeting this week. Working with the Web TV IG, looking at use cases.

<LJWatson> MS: Found opportunities to improve the visibility of accessibility in that doc.

<LJWatson> MS: Found changes to be made to the Media accessibility requirements.

<LJWatson> MS: John has asked to move the meeting time.

<LJWatson> JS: Will need to swap meetings around, but it should be ok.

<LJWatson> JS: Lots happening with media. Also talking about developing content, for UA developers to test with.

<JF> scribe: JF

Bug Triage

LW: no meeting this week
... only issues to mention is 5.0 bugs - chaals, cyns et al need to follow up on

JS: really need to close these ASAP
... soon - like June
... asking if these can be looked at at the ARIA call next week

RS: thought had cleared them

LW: found a few more

<MarkS> Bug triage issues

MS: there is a heading for the ARIA sub-team

LW: ... border, table of one...

2.4.6.2 - should a table with a border of 1 be conformant with role="presentation"

RS: why not?
... how does that impact - don't understand
... consider it as simply styling

+1 to Rich

RS: will bring up on the call

LW: from triage POV, we can close it here
... will close that then

<MarkS> RESOLUTION: Bug 24642 - it is conforming to use role=presentation for tables that have border=1

Table Summary Issues Redux

<LJWatson> JF: Had it on my to do list. Can take an action to take it to the techs group?

<LJWatson> JS: Sure.

Our HTML 5.1 Objectives

ACTIUON: foliot to take the table summary issue to the WCAG TEchniques WG

<scribe> ACTION: foliot to take the table summary issue to the WCAG Techniques WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Take the table summary issue to the wcag techniques wg [on John Foliot - due 2014-05-15].

Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html

<LJWatson> JS: When have Steve's response about open bugs, will open a CFC.

<LJWatson> JS: There are two aspects, the bugs and whether the guidance should become a note.

<LJWatson> JS: We want a comprehensive summary of all the actions taken.

<LJWatson> JS: Wonder whether we can run a concurrent CFC?

<LJWatson> JB: Not a good idea.

<LJWatson> JS: If Steve responds tomorrow, could get the CFC out on Monday.

<LJWatson> JB: Could someone link to the process?

<MarkS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures

<LJWatson> JB: 1 week in TF, then to parent WG - PF is 48 hours, HTML is 1 week.

<LJWatson> JB: Don't think alt is a good one to run a short time period on.

<LJWatson> JS: We may not meet the 30th May discussed.

<LJWatson> JB: Need to let Steve know of the timetable.

<LJWatson> JB: Someone should also track the hand-offs.

<LJWatson> JS: I'll do that.

Table Summary Issues Redux

<MarkS> Wishlist for HTML5.1

Our HTML 5.1 Objectives

<LJWatson> JS: Want to bring people's attention to this list.

<LJWatson> JS: Need to understand our priorities, and try to identify people who could take them further.

<LJWatson> MS: Looking at Plan 2014, couple of things were dropped, so we need to look at them under 5.1.

<LJWatson> MS: Full transcript...

<LJWatson> JF: Interested in looking into this.

<LJWatson> JF: Can sort of do it with aria-describedby, but don't have a really robust way of calling out a transcript.

<LJWatson> JS: Recall two proposals from way back - a) providing a link near the video, b) programmatic association + time sync.

<LJWatson> JF: A link encounters design constraints, a programmatic association can be handled more sensitively.

<LJWatson> JS: Providing a link doesn't need a spec.

<LJWatson> JF: There's just no clear mechanism.

<LJWatson> JS: Suggest the media sub-team take this on. Not sure 5.1 is the right version to pursue it under though.

<LJWatson> MS: Keeping notes on the wiki.

<LJWatson> MS: Media descriptions...

<LJWatson> JF: No way of providing a poster description.

<LJWatson> JS: Need to look at what ARIA markup might be needed.

<LJWatson> JF: Met resistance initially, maybe we should look at media roles for ARIA?

<LJWatson> RS: We can, but we need to be sure roles are reasonably generic.

<LJWatson> JF: I suggest "video" and "audio".

<LJWatson> RS: We're looking at role descriptions, for providing localised roles.

<LJWatson> JF: Also for the media sub-team?

<LJWatson> JS: Yes.

<LJWatson> MS: UI widgets...

<LJWatson> JS: Don't know if the UA community is ready to settle down on this.

<LJWatson> JS: Put me down for this.

<LJWatson> MS: Could be a Web Components thing too.

<LJWatson> MS: Input type numeric...

<LJWatson> MS: Scenario - when helpful to identify a numeric field to force the numeric keyboard to be displayed on mobile devices, but where the expected content isn't a number. A US zip code for example.

<LJWatson> JS: Several situations for that. Is it an accessibility issue though?

<LJWatson> MS: Think it helps to have the specialised keyboard.

<LJWatson> MS: Will put my name on this one.

<LJWatson> MS: Emotion ML...

<LJWatson> JB: We have some positive opportunities here.

<LJWatson> JS: We should ask Lisa.

<LJWatson> JF: Media sub-team might also have an interest here.

<LJWatson> MS: Making sure that Web VTT etc. properly support this.

<LJWatson> MS: Haptic output...

<LJWatson> JS: Markku is interested in this?

<LJWatson> MS: Will follow up with him.

<LJWatson> MS: Gaming...

<LJWatson> IP: May be able to talk to colleagues at the BBC.

<LJWatson> MS: Will put Ian down to follow up with colleagues.

<LJWatson> MS: Cognitive...

<LJWatson> JB: My guess is that there is a lot of scope. Rich, you hosted a cognitive accessibility panel at CSUN - is the discussion happening?

<LJWatson> JS: Suggest we ask Lisa to look at this on a Cofnitive TF telecon.

<LJWatson> MS: There are five more topics.

<LJWatson> MS: Just want to run them quickly to judge initial interest.

<LJWatson> MS: Referencing UAAG...

<LJWatson> MS: Put Jeanne down.

<LJWatson> MS: Media...

<LJWatson> MS: Will put the media sub-team down.

<LJWatson> MS: Web payments...

<LJWatson> MS: Chaals indicated an interest.

<LJWatson> MS: Footnotes and annotations...

<LJWatson> MS: I'm interested.

<LJWatson> RS: Should be picked up by ePub. We talked about footnotes and annotations on the ARIA call this week.

<LJWatson> MS: Real time chat...

<LJWatson> MS: Web RTC and ORTC.

<LJWatson> RS: We can do live chat with live regions.

<LJWatson> LW: Don't know too much about RTC, but will take a look.

<LJWatson> JS: I'm interested too.

<LJWatson> MS: If everyone on this call could respond to the email I send around, to indicate support for these topics. Will help us prioritise.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: foliot to take the table summary issue to the WCAG Techniques WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
 
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