IRC log of webizen on 2014-05-05

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meeting: Webizen task force meeting

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Zakim, [ is Sebastien

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+Sebastien; got it

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webizen/2014Apr/0002.html Previous (2014-04-10 Webizen task force meeting)

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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webizen Webizen Wiki

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scribe: Coralie

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scribenick: koalie

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present: CoralieMercier, SébastienDesbenoit, AnnBassetti, JeffJaffe

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Jeff: Let's go over the wiki

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... which has received 28K+ visits (since early March)

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Topic: Prologue

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Jeff: Nothing changed there

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... we can proceed

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Topic: Background

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Jeff: I've not heard much discussion there

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Topic: Name

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Jeff: We've used "Webizen" as a placeholder; we mean citizen of the Web

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... There's been some feedback it isn't the best name in the world

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... Some people have listed some names in the wiki

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... Additional comments in the Twitter thread

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... Stephen Shankland suggested @@massacre

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s/@@massacre/"Masochists"/

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[laughter on the call]

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... We can put a list for vote

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Ann: Constituents mean member of something.

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... Most of the ones suggested are not sufficiently distinctive

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... I'll add a comment there

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Jeff: "Constituents" I take this as to mean "Constituents of the Web"

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... Additional suggestions welcome and would be useful.

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[Coralie: I don't have a clever suggestion yet]

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Sébastien: Between Webizen in French, there is a connotation of "zen"

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... To have something that means anything in all cultures could take a long time

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[Coralie: I have often thought of "Webizen" as "We be Zen"]

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citoyen

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koalie :)

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Weboyen

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:)

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Ann: The point being, what could it mean in Chinese? Let's continue to work on the name.

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very interesting points

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Ann: I never pursued the "zen" connotation

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s/pursued/perceived

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Jeff: I hope someone adds a comment to this extent on the wiki

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ACTION: Coralie to work with Sébastien on commenting in wiki on "zen" connotation in "Name" section of the wiki

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Jeff: Anything else before we move on?

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[none]

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Topic: Voting

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Jeff: I think we need to do something about voting

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... There is a problem in the current write-up

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... which seems to be favouring a particular approach

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... The community says there is a desire to look at different voting mechanism

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... JC Verdié raised this as the last call

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... We should let the constituents of the Web decide, rather than imposing a voting mechanism

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... But it would be preferible to rephrase this section

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... to say for webizen voting for the AC should be decided by Webizen

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... This wiki could be a collecting point for proposals at least for now

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... there is proposal 1

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... We should encourage the community to suggest others

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Ann: I completely agree

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Jeff: The current approach isn't STV

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... I inserted text to explain why I was not proposing STV

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... Webizens should decide how they want to vote.

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... Let's make this a place to receive proposals

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... We should have some discussion of the time

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... We probably should use the July 1 2015 to April 1 2015 to try out

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s/ ... We probably should use the July 1 2015 to April 1 2015 to try out//

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Jeff: Since the first Webizen voting cycle for the AC starts on JUly 1, 2015

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... the Webizens should select their preferred voting mechanism prior to that

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... so it would make sense for them to select their preferred voting mechanism

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... in the period from 1 January 2015 to 1 April 2015

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Jeff: Anything else for voting?

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[none\

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Topic: Launch and Comm plan

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Jeff: That's also probably a good place to talk about pitch phrases

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Coralie: Nothing new to add since last update

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Ann: It looks like the pitch points are based on the name "Webizen"

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... it will depend on what name we got, what kind of marketing we choose

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... the name needs to work for everybody but it would be helpful if it got some sparkle to it

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Ann: I'll add something to the wiki, in the pitch section

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Sebastien: "Giving back" We get the global idea, after that, it's a matter

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... of choosing the right words

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Topic: FAQ

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Jeff: No change at the moment

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Topic: Schedule

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Jeff: We've send out the schedule of the AC Meeting agenda to the AC

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... and the program committee decided to put the Webizen topic on the big tent agenda, not even a breakout

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... the thought for the presentation is less a presentation and more a discussion of the key issues

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... including:

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... 1. should we have a webizen program?

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... 2. what should we name it?

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... 3. collection of benefits, right sets, what to add or substract?

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... 4. should voting mechanism be decided by the Webizens?

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... The other topics in the wiki are not hard issues for the AC, can be discussed separately

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Ann: re: #4, we'll start with so few Webizens that it will not be sufficient to make that decision

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... maybe the decision doesn't need to be made at the very beginning.

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Jeff: That's a good point

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... as we phrase the voting question on the wiki,

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... can add the Webizens will look at the voting mechanism every election until it reaches stability

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... in year 5 or 6, they can decide how to do the election.

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Ann: I felt the voting discussion was overwhelming

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Jeff: Did you see my response on the thread this morning?

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Ann: I skimmed through it

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Jeff: I said basically what you just said

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... We'd love to get a proposal from a Community Group

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Ann: I don't want this group to get overwhelmed before it's even started.

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Topic: Discount proposal

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I'll respond on voting in the AC threads

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Jeff: I'll ask Veronica wrt her action

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Topic: Any other business

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Jeff:: Any other business?

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... We're 5 weeks away from the AC meeting, we can intensify the meetings, or say we're almost done and meet less often

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Ann: When there's something to talk about?

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@koalie If you need some help on the comm topic.

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Jeff: Coralie, any sense of when we might see more on comm plan?

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Coralie: Not really, but I prefer some cadence

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Jeff: Coralie, please take the action to schedule the next meeting

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Coralie: Will do

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-Jeff

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-Ann

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Ann: I've updated the "name" section in the wiki, to add a note on "sparkle"

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As of this point the attendees have been koalie, [IPcaller], Ann, Sebastien, Jeff

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bye

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-Sebastien

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Attendees were koalie, [IPcaller], Ann, Sebastien, Jeff

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chair: Jeff

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hello webizen, what time is the call ?

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I thought 11

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but the code isn't working for me

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code does not work neither

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oops - I think it was at 10am (ET)!

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Jeff was unable to make the 11am slot

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looks like we both missed the call this morning :(

15:07:38 [virginie]

I had aproblem with the translation of ET, which timezone is it ? (sorry located in french , i only speak UTC)

15:10:20 [darobin]

virginie: ET is Eastern Time (Boston) also known as W3C time :)

15:12:26 [virginie]

ok, thanks, so i missed the cal

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call

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