IRC log of i18nits on 2014-04-30

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meeting: ITS IG

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chair: felix

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Apr/0008.html

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topic: roll call

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present+ felix

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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Yves +present

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present+ DaveLewis

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present+ Ankit

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Apr/0008.html

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topic: namespace bindings and CSS selectors

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https://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/issues/3

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The set of namespace declarations are those in scope on the element that has the attribute in which the expression occurs. This includes the implicit declaration of the prefix xml required by the XML Namespaces Recommendation; the default namespace (as declared by xmlns) is not part of this set.

12:06:13 [fsasaki]

http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/its20-errata.html

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present+ dF

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just joining the goto

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felix: propose to add this as a non-normative errate - comments?

12:08:16 [fsasaki]

https://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/issues/3

12:08:51 [YvesS]

+1 for adding the item to the errata

12:09:03 [dF]

+1

12:09:08 [daveL]

+1

12:09:10 [Ankit]

+!

12:09:13 [Ankit]

+1

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action: felix to send a mail about errtaum and make the update within one week

12:09:14 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-43 - Send a mail about errtaum and make the update within one week [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-05-07].

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topic: feedback from LT-Web final review

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felix describing feedback from the EU

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topic: update on XLIFF mapping

12:13:54 [YvesS]

Several data categories to review: would be nice to get some feedback. Felix asked: schema for using ITS in XLIFF needed? -> yes, very much so.

12:14:13 [YvesS]

yes

12:14:16 [fsasaki]

XLIFF 2.0 mapping needs feedback

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felix proposes to write ITS schema for using ITS in XLIFF

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david: wonders who should host the schema

12:16:05 [fsasaki]

.. we need a specialized schema, no doubt

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.. need to see who is the host

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.. should be one of the topics of XLIFF TC meeting in May and in June during FEISGILTT session

12:17:28 [YvesS]

sure

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.. can be handled during ITS mapping session during

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s/during/during FEISGILTT/

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action: felix to follow up on ITS in XLIFF schema

12:17:49 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-44 - Follow up on its in xliff schema [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-05-07].

12:17:56 [dF]

XLIFF 2.1 seesion June 4 afternoon

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I am

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action: dF to review XLIFF 2.0 mappings

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Created ACTION-45 - Review xliff 2.0 mappings [on David Filip - due 2014-05-07].

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david: yesterday submitted XLIFF candidate ticket

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topic: update on RDF mapping

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https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS-RDF_mapping

12:19:31 [dF]

COS - candidate OASIS standard

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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dave: work in FALCON project

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.. will send URL to the list

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.. we put a deliverable togehter. Working primarily with xtm. Extended work we did with XLIFF > ITS mapping into RDF. With where we maintain ITS > NIF mapping and other ITS parameters

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.. what we have done: we are pulling togehter an (RDF?) schema that extends w3c provenacne model

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.. idea is: continue work we did with Ankit on re-training MT components

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... uses a lot of ITS metadata, extending what we did in LT-Web

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.. now handling also @@@ packages that Interverbum uses

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.. e.g. how to handle terminology markup - xtm are doing this but so far they did not use its:terminology

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.. are looking into how to also bring that into interop now

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[missed DF comment]

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s/DF/dF/

12:24:16 [YvesS]

Will that RDF mapping available publicly (soon)?

12:25:00 [dF]

I said that both XLIFF 1.2 and 2.0 ITS mappings are usning mrk mark up

12:25:20 [fsasaki]

dave: will put the RDF on github

12:25:31 [YvesS]

Great, thanks.

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.. hopefully this week

12:25:48 [dF]

so the reconciliation should not be difficlut, just using its attributes for what does not exist in XLIFF core

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dave: there haven't been a lot of changes, there seem to be changes to NIF ontology

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http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/specifications/validate.jar

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http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/

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dave: will not change a lot, just more usage examples

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.. plan to have a demo for FEISGILTT

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.. will do similar like LT-Web: put tooling up, reference architecture, then input files as example how to work with this

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ack ChriLi

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chriLi: W3C provenance model is target towards content, not processing? so it does not allow you to track: this is component that has been used in this chain: ...

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dave: yes

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.. we in FALCON do a component factory, which can create components

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.. old ideas from Corba etc.

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discussion about components, versions, ...

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dave: have not considered this in detail, good points

12:33:23 [fsasaki]

christian: suggestion: how to approach quest for standard direction. That also could be answered from industry, community services

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.. asking them: what are the hot service component architectures? what to apply for processing chains

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.. going out asking different communities might prevent us from building and ivory tower

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dave: really good point

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.. where would be a good forum for that?

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.. you won't get a lot of service people in feisgillt or MLW WS

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christian: talking to other EU funded projects?

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dave: I tracked some projects previously, will check again - OASIS may not use semantic service descriptions

12:36:48 [fsasaki]

... it is an interesting point, if you have input for that (also your colleagues) please let us know, very interesting also e.g. for LIDER

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.. important are the use cases, e.g. role of MT component in a work flow

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.. because we also look into re-training of MT, that needs to be managed as well

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.. I'll check with Klaus

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christian: we had tool information related discussion in ITS

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felix: have that with annotators-ref attribute: we did not specify our own thing but just the URI so that people can do what is right for them

12:41:12 [YvesS]

sure

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topic: work on ITS and RDF

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http://tinyurl.com/kwhy4vp

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http://dbpedia.org/resource/Eye

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its-ta-ident-ref

12:43:29 [YvesS]

yes more or less

12:44:01 [YvesS]

The code is working as of few minutes ago thanks to your sparql help.

12:45:03 [fsasaki]

felix explains workflow: getting cross lingual info from dbpedia

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ankit: we did something simliar during LT-Web

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.. we manually put dbpedia link into ITS wrapper

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.. the MT step can then use the info

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dave: the MT did the lookup of the target language term from dbpedia

12:46:01 [YvesS]

more like annotation

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.. how would work in okapi: would that be done as part of the MT component?

12:46:06 [YvesS]

and glossary

12:46:11 [YvesS]

yes

12:46:13 [fsasaki]

.. or would that be a tbx entry?

12:46:17 [fsasaki]

yves: yes

12:46:26 [YvesS]

it seems the wikidata Q labels provide better "translations" though. but sparql can be used to get the Q id.

12:46:33 [fsasaki]

dave: makes sense, we had that in one of the scenarios

12:46:52 [fsasaki]

http://googleknowledge.github.io/qlabel/

12:47:14 [YvesS]

that works too, but it requires one additional call per resource

12:47:38 [fsasaki]

dave: you can also do the same with babelnet and rdf versions of wordnet

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.. bablenet will have translations but not so many named entities

12:47:49 [YvesS]

any links to babelnet? do thay have api?

12:48:00 [fsasaki]

.. it is the same principle, sparql queries would be a bit different

12:48:15 [fsasaki]

yves, see here: http://babelnet.org/

12:48:21 [YvesS]

thanks

12:48:31 [fsasaki]

dave: they should have a sparql endpoint

12:48:37 [YvesS]

will try that

12:48:38 [fsasaki]

.. or you can download the RDF as well

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.. interesting also: babelnet also provides services that does annotation, like enrycher

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.. so you can do named entity annotation funtionality too

12:49:27 [YvesS]

good to know. for now I'm using dbpediaspotligh to get the entities

12:52:16 [fsasaki]

felix: having ability to do sparql queries in a tool like okapi woudl be great to easiyl adapt this to other data sources

12:52:36 [fsasaki]

dave: +1, and documenting the sparql queries would be great too, so that people see what queries work well

12:52:44 [fsasaki]

agree

12:53:02 [YvesS]

agree

12:53:23 [fsasaki]

dave: in FALCON we are convervative - offering a very simple REST interface so that people don't have to worry about sparql

12:53:59 [fsasaki]

action: felix to set up a sparql query page for use with its-ta-ref

12:53:59 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-46 - Set up a sparql query page for use with its-ta-ref [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-05-07].

12:54:29 [fsasaki]

felix: will advertise that to lider people to get their input on typical queries

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bye

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topic: abo

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adjourne

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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present+ yves, cl

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: felix to send a mail about errtaum and make the update within one week [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-irc#T12-09-13-1

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ACTION: felix to follow up on ITS in XLIFF schema [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-irc#T12-17-49

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ACTION: dF to review XLIFF 2.0 mappings [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-irc#T12-18-31

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ACTION: felix to set up a sparql query page for use with its-ta-ref [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-irc#T12-53-59

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