IRC log of webfonts on 2014-04-09

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 3668
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ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 09 April 2014
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20:02:50 [Vlad]
zakim, who is here?
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IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
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On IRC I see jhudson, raph, Zakim, RRSAgent, kuettel, Vlad, trackbot
20:03:05 [Vlad]
zakim, this is 3668
20:03:05 [Zakim]
Vlad, I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be 3668".
20:03:18 [Vlad]
zakim, will be 3668
20:03:18 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'will be 3668', Vlad
20:03:29 [Vlad]
zakim, this will be 3668
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ok, Vlad; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
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20:03:36 [Vlad]
zakim, who is here?
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IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
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On IRC I see cslye, jhudson, raph, Zakim, RRSAgent, kuettel, Vlad, trackbot
20:03:51 [Vlad]
zakim, this is 3668!
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sorry, Vlad, I do not see a conference named '3668!' in progress or scheduled at this time
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zakim, who is here?
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IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
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On IRC I see cslye, jhudson, raph, Zakim, RRSAgent, kuettel, Vlad, trackbot
20:04:28 [Vlad]
zakim this will be 3668
20:04:31 [KenjiBX]
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20:04:37 [Vlad]
zakim, this will be 3668
20:04:37 [raph]
zakim, this conference will be fonts
20:04:38 [Zakim]
ok, Vlad; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
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ok, raph; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
20:04:56 [Vlad]
zakim, who is here?
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IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
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On IRC I see KenjiBX, cslye, jhudson, raph, Zakim, RRSAgent, kuettel, Vlad, trackbot
20:05:54 [KenjiBX]
Can provide an update regarding CORS support in Chrome OS (crbug.com/286681). In short, we agreed to work on it.
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Schedule: http://www.chromium.org/developers/calendar
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Plan for M36: metrics and warnings in devtools
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M37: will make the change except if we see huge impact we'll put a stronger warning and make the change in M38
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metrics that indicate that we can just skip the intermediate step would be welcomed.
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- Next Topic -
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WOFF 2.0 discussion about final changes
20:14:36 [KenjiBX]
Raph: I see 2 issues that would potentially affect compatibility. Other issues are editorial
20:14:55 [KenjiBX]
Raph: glyph transformation optional or not. Population of known tags
20:15:17 [KenjiBX]
Raph: need something that maps a number to a four byte tag
20:15:45 [KenjiBX]
Raph: KBX would you talk about Chrome's schedule?
20:16:02 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: meaning of compatibility breaking?
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Raph: re reference implementation
20:16:16 [KenjiBX]
Raph: and chrome beta
20:18:04 [KenjiBX]
KenjiBX: postponing WOFF 2.0 in M35 given the risk. Would like to target M36. Hopefully we can reach out consensus during that time frame.
20:18:33 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: from the procedural point of view. Spec as it exists today can't be considered as working draft.
20:19:25 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: so it's difficult to talk about compatibility breaking change at this stage (not yet stable).
20:20:33 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: shipping WOFF 2.0 too early would limit our ability to make changes to the spec
20:21:38 [KenjiBX]
Raph: we agree with this and are open to improve the spec. That said we really want to get something out there. It feels possible that the number of controversial points (while being true that it's been a short period of time), is very close to convergence point.
20:22:30 [KenjiBX]
Raph: dealing with UA sniffing is not a great place to be in which is why we made the decision to postpone our intent to ship WOFF 2.0 in Chrome for M35.
20:23:50 [KenjiBX]
Raph: (paraphrasing) there is reason to believe that we'll reach a stable state before an official CR status.
20:26:05 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: (referring to other specs; some of the changes might be expanding instead of breaking changes)
20:27:29 [KenjiBX]
Raph: agreeing that there are different levels of compatibility breaking changes. Practical consequence: don't encourage folks to publish fonts in the format until the spec reaches a stable state.
20:28:22 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: did a workshop covering advanced feat of fonts. everything was fine on handouts but got complaints as things started not working later due to changes to specs.
20:29:59 [KenjiBX]
Raph: I would like to do a concerted call for reviewing the spec: helping implementers with a clear spec, and confirming that everyone is ok with the decision.
20:30:57 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: WOFF 2.0 so far is only a creature that the WG knows about (needs more attention, Vlad can reach out to more folks to bring more advices to the spec).
20:31:43 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: (explaining the w3c process; Last Call where members are expected to exert a high level of scrutinity)
20:32:02 [KenjiBX]
David: do you think we could target a date for the different stages?
20:33:14 [KenjiBX]
Raph: I believe that we should be able to arrive at the FPWD rather quickly
20:33:38 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: I agree, I believed we would be able to do this today but we're missing key members
20:33:56 [KenjiBX]
David: would it be possible to reach out consensus over email this week or so?
20:34:00 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: (yes)
20:34:05 [KenjiBX]
Raph: (would be great)
20:34:19 [KenjiBX]
David: recapitulating the 2 issues? Anything else?
20:34:31 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: only those 2; the remaining are editorial ones
20:35:26 [KenjiBX]
Raph: I would like that question to be asked on the ML to confirm this understanding. I believe that other open questions were resolved but I want to make sure that this isn't a misunderstanding. This is the perfect time for these concerns to get heard.
20:36:25 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: share the feeling on the closed topics. Re table tags, should be as inclusive as possible
20:36:32 [KenjiBX]
Raph: yes, we only need a mapping
20:37:12 [KenjiBX]
David: will take this action.
20:38:25 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: Johnathan expressed some concerns on one topic; replied but didn't heard anything back. Unclear if he agreed or not.
20:38:47 [KenjiBX]
Raph: (we should clear this up)
20:40:23 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: have 2 arguments: WOFF 2.0 is a font transport mechanism and would be nice to use the same vocabulary/data-types;
20:40:53 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: (the other one about ambiguity based on past experience)
20:41:38 [KenjiBX]
David: going back to pre-processing? Do we need some home work before discussing it (collecting data)
20:41:46 [KenjiBX]
Raph: don't see the need for it
20:42:02 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: will ask Johnathan's opinion
20:42:25 [KenjiBX]
David: table tags? Resolve over email? Can take a first pass.
20:42:47 [KenjiBX]
David: will take this action item.
20:43:14 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: I see you already have some mapping. These should be OK.
20:43:41 [KenjiBX]
David: is that it?
20:46:07 [KenjiBX]
(lost track a bit)
20:47:01 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: will try his best to collapse 3 descriptions into 1
20:47:42 [KenjiBX]
Raph: will run into the same issue for the triples. An English narrative for each one or those would not work.
20:48:21 [KenjiBX]
Raph: the most important is to make sure that the implementers can understand it.
20:48:27 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: agree.
20:49:15 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: (that's a wrap)
20:49:25 [KenjiBX]
Vlad: anything else?
20:50:25 [KenjiBX]
KenjiBX: CSS unicode-range in Chrome: still a bug, working on fixing it for M36.
20:51:11 [raph]
Vlad: praising Kenji's work as a scribe and wishing him present for more calls
20:51:24 [raph]
kenji: will be difficult in the future because of timezones
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/09-webfonts-minutes.html Vlad
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