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<trackbot> Date: 01 April 2014
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Joshue: we are trying to keep up 6 month schedule
<scribe> New techniques will need to be completed by May to meet this.
ITEM: 1. Comment LC-2906: Draft response
<Joshue> LC-2906: Technique F24 promotes non-existing "color" attribute of body in example #2 (#16)
<Joshue> LC-2906: Technique F24 promotes non-existing "color" attribute of body in example #2 (#16)
https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2906
Joshue: Read, paraphrase Jon A's response
Jon A; Had comments on his proposed response
Issue is that cannot set only one of foreground or background
Discuss that author cannot set only one of foreground or background
Implicit assumption is that user is not using UA color settings
<Joshue> +q
Concern is that user might have set preference for white on black instead of black on white
Concern with deprecated code snippets
Testability of techniques is a concern
Proposal is to reorder technique to address commenter concerns
Jon: Reorder will make technique
clearer
... Some writing may be based on old browser behavior
Example, behavior of in-line CSS has changed over time
Question if rearranging proposed response requires particular response
Joshue: Propose additional action item to Jon
Concern that description also needs to be updated with proposed rewrite
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F24.html
<scribe> ACTION: Jon_A review F24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
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<scribe> ACTION: Jac_avila to review F24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
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<scribe> ACTION: Jon_avila to review F24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action03]
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<scribe> ACTION: avila to reve F24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Reve f24 [on Jonathan Avila - due 2014-04-08].
<Joshue> ACTION: Joshue to update technique F24 as proposed [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Update technique f24 as proposed [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-04-08].
RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2906 as proposed
<Joshue> LC-2910: Avoid saying colour contrast https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2910
ITEM: 2. Comment LC-2910: Draft response
Joshue: Summarize that most developers think "colour/color contrast"
Technically, it actually luminance or hue contrast
Joshue: Survey response is to just use “contrast”
But this means we need to keep open, because it is a large editorial review
Kathleen: Contrast is often really scoped to television type display, not HMTL contrast
David: suggest just using “contrast ratio” per WCAG language
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20080430/visual-audio-contrast-contrast.html
<kathleen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_ratio
David asserts we don’t use “color contrast” in techniques
Group reviews understanding doc
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-contrast.html
Editorial review may be not be too much work since not much actual use of phrase
Links from understanding reference “color contrast”
Kathleen: Google hits for contrast ratio are on devices
<jon_avila> if you type web contrast ratio the expected items appear in Google.
Joshue: web developers think text colors
<Joshue> BB: Kathleen mentioned the physical devices, there is also the print world, and they call it colour contrast.
Loretta: reminds us that gregg was lead in being very careful with terminology
Discussion that WCAG original writing was very deliberate with phrasing
<jon_avila> f73 talks this it in detail.
Joshue that “color” is poorly defined in vernacular
Jon: F73 discusses color and hue
<Joshue> ACTION: Joshue to change reference to color contrast to contrast ratio [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Change reference to color contrast to contrast ratio [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-04-08].
RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2910 as proposed
ITEM: 3. Comment LC-2891: Draft response
https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2891
<Joshue> LC-2891: The technique doesn't solve the problem of the success criterion SCR21
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2891
Joshue: General response is to leave open
Loretta: This does seem like
another case where we may need to revisit the test procedure
and rewrite.
... Bug filed by Wilco when reviewing test procedure
Wilco: innerHTML used to be more
problematic
... Purpose of technique is not clear
Loretta: Technique may be more of a suggestion or best practice
Joshue: Technique is valuable, but context needs work
Joshue asks if technique might be expanded?
<Wilco> +q
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/SCR21
David suggest that technique was too easily interpreted (Gov of Canada) as a failure
Wilco: Technique seems better associated with 1.3.1
James: Technique really applicable to *any* generation of HTML
Joshue: Maybe need list of good/bad authoring techniques, then report back
<Wilco> +q
James raises question of how to fit script generation of content into WCAG
Wilco: This technique (SCR21) is applicable to many success criteria
Sailesh: Technique is targeted to 1.3.1
Joshue looking for volunteers to review scripting generally
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2891
<Wilco> +1
RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2891 as proposed
Joashue: Accessible scripting very important foundational topic
Joshue: check on work status
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
bbailey: can change listing page to link to work in wiki in progress
kathleen: question about process, submitted draft response
MichaelC: After submit, you should email editors
Also need to change status in comment tracker
<Joshue> http://davidmacd.com/WCAG/wcag-html5-techniques-review.html
David: Summarizes table
... Did a pass, reviewing if caveats needed for HTML 5
... If no comments, techniques directly applicable as-is to
HTML 5
... If no note, works as-is
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2910
Touching back on LC-2910
Loretta: Caution that we should compete edits before responding to commenter
There may be grammar or other minor edits.
<jon_avila> I have to jump off the call. Have a great day!
Will not close until drafting complete on two items
David thinks its only one line in 1.4.3
<Joshue> ACTION: Josh to review instances of colour contrast usage and then reply to EO [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-251 - Review instances of colour contrast usage and then reply to eo [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-04-08].
RESOLUTION: Leave LC-2910 open
Back to review of David’s summary table
David: Just 15 out of 59 need review
David many techniques back to 1999 HTML 4.0 but work fine in 5
David: Looking for ones that
could cause trouble for 5
... HTML 5 broke very little backward compatibility
Joshue solicits for additional review
James: Would like ability to comment row-by-row
Joshue asks david to port to wiki
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/
James: Will need cross reference to HTML 5 techniques too
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments
Discussion of clarifying workflow
David: Asking for suggestion on formatting and presentation
<Zakim> Bruce_Bailey, you wanted to check that wiki cannot take HTML as input
MichaelC: For table, have use wki markup
<wilhelm> http://wja.no/t/responsive-technique/
Joshue: Checks in with Sailesh, Wilco, Wilhelm
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
Wilhelm: Has proof of concept for 1 / 2 / 3 column responsive design
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Writing_WCAG_Techniques_-_Notes
Joshue reminds folks of URLs for template and instructions
Joshue: Looking for additional volunteers on techniques
RRS: Make Minutes
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