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<trackbot> Date: 11 March 2014
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11thMarch_2014/
<AWK> Chair: Joshue
<BarryJohnson> Sorry, no phone today, but will follow IRC Chat
<AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
jo: publication update release of WCAG supporting documents
<Loretta> Congratulations, Josh and Andrew!
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/blog/2014/03/wcag-techniques-for-image-text-alternatives/
Awk: two blog posts for ARIA10
and F65, read and point people to
... new set of documents for techniques that are available and
highlights that make it significant, ARIA techniques, and
switch over to Github
jo: good job everyone; updated
documents; brilliant, thanks awk
... hae some errata to review, no substantive, some
editorial;
awk: already surveyed and approved by working group; just wanted to mention to people and review; can publish edited version of WCAG 2 standard; escalate awareness
<Joshue> KHS: Are we going to go into errata stuff now?
khs: possibility of moving high contrast to level A
jo: that would be substantial; 9 items in link provided
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata/
khs: important to talk about contrast
jo: Errata 1 - 1.1.1 - any objections to proposed?
awk: not trying to get all of them re-approved; want people to be familiar to respond from an informed perspective
<Loretta> Looks fine to me.
<AWK> JO: gives group a minute to review errata items 1-9
<JF> +1 to the Errata stuff - looks good, bravo
jo: ok, editorial changes only; moving on.
awk: tables used for techniques
editing on wiki; techniques task force made list and progress
to date; integrated in table
... Names are already assigned to some techniques; some people
may need to take on something not complete or assigned to
person that is not currently active on TF
... question on firmness of names assigned to techniques;
ka: techniques can be re-assigned to different people
awk: Techniques TF be group that
can help when we get stuck; figure out process; each row has
technique; who assigned to; prioritization -- TBD; general
items within a technique
... Space for original technique if modified; awk to add column
for comment -- the idea is to give us a dashboard for tracking
where we are at.
... add to survey once items are complete to find out how WG
wants to respond.
... some new techniques, some modifications, ask everyone to
sign up for two or three of these. If you have idea for a new
one, feel free to add one.
jo: if new tech -- ping awk or JO or list, leave editing table to AWK or JO
jf: where do code examples and test procedures live? I'm trying to get hack-a-thon done at CSUN - could write on Saturday.
awk: additional instructions for
where to write them to come - some are authored in wiki --
directly as links initially authored in wiki (goal to make it
clear that author them in Github)
... techniques to be pull requests in github to allow for less
editing. Currently have a source format -- could be more user
friendly -- one goal at f2f to reformat for editing.
jf: request awk to put github info on wiki page; JF to grab some of these cases.
<AWK> ACTION: AWK to remember to not forget to update the https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments page with how-to information [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/11-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Remember to not forget to update the https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/working_group_techniques_development_assignments page with how-to information [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2014-03-18].
<Joshue> ACTION: Josh to update WG techs wiki with general how to info. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/11-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Update wg techs wiki with general how to info. [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-03-18].
marc: question on how to find links for wiki pages
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
<Kathy> I added my name to a few of them
jo: ask for people to take some techniques
kw: should we include techniques in mobile task force?
jo: question to discuss on how we define relationships, awk?
awk: talk about mobile techniques- no answer yet.
<Joshue> +q
kw: Mobile TF talking about new techniques and changes to techniques -- it will get complex
jo: definitely be a mobile component -- error on the side of not creating really long document
kw: provide link to mobile page from techniques to see what each task force is working on
mc: create links to the work of each TF's techniques they are currently working on.
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments
jo: complete list at f2f - try to get people to comment on list
jf: send out note to list to get people to respond and then action item for f2f
<AWK> AWK will send a reminder to the list that everyone should sign up for 2-3 techniques before next week.
jo: people can cooperate on techniques, thanks to awk for putting it together.
awk: f2f will address how to write good techniques to allow people to get through process to get WG approval - Loretta is excellent guide on this topic.
jo: next item is to get other info people have published on wcag - aggregate overviews, comments, thoughts, etc. on what's right and wrong.
<AWK> If people know about a blog post/article/etc on this topic please add to https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2
awk: talk about post wcag page - need to collection of all comments, please put on the wiki page just shared on irc
jo: any comments or questions about current topic? None heard.
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11thMarch_2014/results
jo: lc2882 discussed comments
from survey
... any objection to adding Loretta's suggested text?
awk: we already accepted last week, can be edited
jo: this is a clarification on
what something means to be deprecated?
... Accept LC2882 - no objections
as: was not strong enough for keyboard users?
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H69.html
as: lc2882 text ok
<AWK> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
jo: discussion of survey results for lc2884
awk: incorporate option 2 as proposed amended - could add additional technique h90
jo: can all see awk's updated text in survey? Maybe to long. Any objection?
RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2877
lgr: could leave open to get
input from Cynthia
... no need to contact Cynthia
jo: genuine oversight -
awk: could respond and ask for
example -- we agree we can do this and assigned to someone on
techniques development list
... need to process in due course and respond to it
publically
RESOLUTION: leave open
jo: lc2905 discussion
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2905
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F17.html
awk: several comments are on f17
- general consensus is that editing needs to be done.
... perhaps leave open and have one person take action on
editing F17 and integrating what is in F77 if people agree
these are redundant
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F77.html
awk: comments 5, 6 and 8 are related
jo: Need someone to look through and aggregate comments and create new language?
lgr: Adam would be good candidate, could contact to see if he is willing?
<Joshue> JA: I was looking through the techniques. They are inconsistent.
<Joshue> JA: They say if x situation is true and false - the logic methods are not consistent.
<Joshue> JOC: I've noticed this too.
<Joshue> JA: Should we lean towards one particular method?
ja: checks logic structure were inconsistent in general
<Joshue> JOC: +1 to consistent logic method
lgr: check were written over time and by different people and our work evolved over time - sometimes it hard to phrase things in a certain way
jo: in replying to these comments should we have Adam review 5,6, and 8, then them review
RESOLUTION: 2907, 2904, 2880 leave open
jo: lc2879 for discussion - comment 7
<Joshue> LC-2879: Move the logic away from How to meet and into the technique
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2879
awk: provide comment saying it's
implemented -- it will be in github but it won't be on active
page
... until next publication
lgr: should go through understanding document that use language "in combination" and fix them all with appropriate reference.
awk: we can accept response but changes won't be seen until next publication - whole bunch of small editorial changes.
RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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