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14:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 06 March 2014
14:59:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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15:01:02 <Zakim> +??P0
15:01:05 <nigel> zakim, P0 is me
15:01:05 <Zakim> sorry, nigel, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
15:01:10 <nigel> zakim, ??P0 is me
15:01:10 <Zakim> +nigel; got it
15:01:16 <nigel> Present: nigel
15:01:24 <nigel> Regrets: pal, frans de jong
15:01:39 <nigel> chair: nigel
15:04:59 <Zakim> +glenn
15:05:12 <nigel> Present+ glenn
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15:07:41 <glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#cea708-mapping
15:08:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:08:16 <nigel> Present+ jdsmith
15:08:50 <nigel> scribeNick: nigel
15:09:01 <nigel> topic: Charter
15:09:25 <nigel> No comments on this agenda item at this time.
15:09:31 <nigel> topic: Action items
15:09:43 <nigel> action-268?
15:09:43 <trackbot> action-268 -- Nigel Megitt to Estimate timelines for ttml 2 deliberables with glenn -- due 2014-02-27 -- OPEN
15:09:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/268
15:10:20 <nigel> nigel: Glenn and I discussed this, main determining factor is Glenn's availability and resource scheduling.
15:11:07 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
15:11:54 <nigel> nigel: Getting to TTML2 LC by April looks very ambitious at this point.
15:12:30 <nigel> glenn: would like to target June 1 for 1st WD, then August 1 for LC
15:13:37 <nigel> glenn: taking into account my availability, and conservative scheduling.
15:14:14 <nigel> ... The CR period is 6 months, whereas 3 months would probably be adequate.
15:14:48 <nigel> ... PR to Rec shouldn't take more than 2 weeks.
15:14:56 <nigel> ... The only thing needed is to poll the membership.
15:15:45 <nigel> ... The average is no more than 1 month.
15:16:42 <nigel> glenn: I propose for TTML2 August 2014 LC, Oct 2014 CR, Jan 2015 PR, Feb 2015 Rec.
15:17:25 <nigel> ... The work is not process work but is implementation and technical work, which should be prior to or during LC or CR period.
15:18:03 <nigel> ... That gives us overall 6 months for LC/CR period, which is very generous.
15:20:06 <nigel> nigel: We're still dependent on contributions, but as we have one editor whom everything has to go through this is important.
15:21:41 <nigel> action-269
15:21:41 <trackbot> action-269 -- Glenn Adams to Implement issue-282 changes on ttml2 text also -- due 2014-03-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:21:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/269
15:21:54 <nigel> glenn: now Pending Review. Implemented this morning.
15:22:32 <nigel> close action-269
15:22:32 <trackbot> Closed action-269.
15:22:37 <nigel> action-270
15:22:37 <trackbot> action-270 -- Glenn Adams to Add informative appendix to ttml2 on subject of 708 mapping, where it refers to st2052-11 as starting point, and provides place to extend or elaborate mapping information -- due 2014-03-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:22:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/270
15:23:54 <nigel> nigel: currently a placeholder.
15:24:37 <nigel> glenn: marked as an Editor note, which is a placeholder to do this later. We don't put actions on Editor notes - two record keeping mechanisms aren't needed.
15:25:04 <nigel> ... There are 29 such notes, which is a backlog to process.
15:25:38 <nigel> jdsmith: it would be useful to have a broad review of all the updates on editors notes later.
15:26:07 <nigel> glenn: when I make the updates I put them in the repository and inform the group asynchronously. We generally in the past haven't created actions, though
15:26:24 <nigel> ... some of them are associated with issues - we typically close the issue when we've accepted the editor's changes.
15:27:09 <nigel> close action-270
15:27:09 <trackbot> Closed action-270.
15:27:24 <nigel> action-271?
15:27:24 <trackbot> action-271 -- Nigel Megitt to Draft email to css wg chair requesting box-decoration-break in css3 -- due 2014-03-06 -- OPEN
15:27:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/271
15:28:06 <nigel> nigel: I've done the action but had no response.
15:28:33 <nigel> glenn: I have an update because it was on the agenda in yesterday's CSSWG meeting. I had independently submitted a request from Cox to move it into Level 3.
15:29:02 <nigel> ... After a fair amount of discussion it was decided to leave it where it is now in the CSS Fragmentation spec on the basis that the group believes it will move to Rec in about
15:29:39 <nigel> ... the same timeframe as background and borders level 3. There's concern over delays to this: backgrounds and borders L3 is further along the process. But most of the group
15:29:59 <nigel> ... believes it's more logically associated with Fragmentation, so this is probably the best place for it.
15:30:36 <nigel> ... Peter Linss yesterday was supposed to draft a response. When this happens we should thank them and say we'll hold them to publishing Fragmentation on an expedited schedule
15:30:45 <nigel> ... aligned with the schedule for Backgrounds and Borders.
15:31:41 <nigel> close action-271
15:31:41 <trackbot> Closed action-271.
15:31:58 <nigel> topic: Issues discussed over the last week
15:32:05 <nigel> issue-300?
15:32:05 <trackbot> issue-300 -- Prior interpretation of the correct fallback for tts:origin -- open
15:32:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/300
15:33:48 <nigel> no comments on the issues on the agenda from those present
15:34:22 <nigel> topic: Change Proposals
15:34:38 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
15:35:55 <nigel> nigel: I edited the box-decoration-break section to reference the EBU-TT-D syntax.
15:36:22 <nigel> glenn: I wouldn't be averse to introducing a linePadding style property that maps to CSS box-decoration-break. It gives us some logical independence for mapping purposes.
15:42:59 <glenn> action: glenn to add notes to CP15 for those items that have already been implemented, where notes point at relevant change set
15:43:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-272 - Add notes to cp15 for those items that have already been implemented, where notes point at relevant change set [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-03-13].
15:43:27 <nigel> nigel: for box-decoration-break need to add example syntax in TTML2 and proposed mapping to CSS. Will do this for a single value for both start and end, in units identical to those that padding takes now.
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15:45:19 <nigel> nigel: multiple row alignment
15:45:51 <nigel> glenn: want to think about the name, but not expose the CSS directly. Prefer to have a TTML property that focuses on the usage.
15:46:07 <nigel> nigel: agreed. FIts with the general style of TTML.
15:46:59 <nigel> glenn: The indirection may reduce spec-dependencies on publication. We don't know when flex will get to Rec. If the mapping document has dependencies on CSS features that are not in Rec we could
15:47:11 <nigel> ... put the mapping document outside TTML2 to allow us to publish.
15:48:09 <Zakim> +Thierry
15:48:39 <nigel> Present+ Thierry
15:50:13 <nigel> topic: AOB
15:51:02 <nigel> thierry: administrative point: next week US switches to summer time.
15:51:19 <nigel> action nigel to add DST note to next agenda
15:51:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-273 - Add dst note to next agenda [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-03-13].
15:51:46 <Zakim> -glenn
15:51:51 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:51:52 <Zakim> -Thierry
15:51:52 <Zakim> -nigel
15:51:53 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:51:53 <Zakim> Attendees were nigel, glenn, [Microsoft], Thierry
15:52:05 <nigel> zakim, Microsoft is jdsmith
15:52:05 <Zakim> sorry, nigel, I do not recognize a party named 'Microsoft'
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