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<trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014
<nigel> scribeNick: plh
plh: the charter is out
<nigel> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
plh: deadline is March 20
<nigel> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html
plh: it isn't perfect but comments by the deadline
Nigel: you had to make some changes.
plh: some text moved to 2.1
" As needed, the Group will also coordinate with the HTML Accessibility Task Force and the HTML Working Group to contribute how to interoperably implement described video with the Open Web Platform. "
[..]
Glenn: it's appendix N, we talk about
dilation and narrowing of the time
... parameter called played rate
... we didn't really work out the all business of played rate yet but
it's there
Nigel: timeline?
plh: HTML 5.1 is the target here. end of the year for LC
Nigel: it's simply a change to the audio
track
... no other change
plh: make sure to have a fresh look at the
charter
... for the milestones, please have a fresh at them
Thierry: some phases are unrealistic. like
LC for first deliverable, WebVTT. We are also squeezing
all deliverables to REC by Feb 2015, but the charter ends in March 2016.
... why squeeze everything in the first year and have nothing
to work on after that, for a year?
... seems like a long "life after REC" period.
Nigel: everybody is keen to make progress
and don't want to see too long of a delay
... unless we make a significant acceleration, we won't reach LC by
April 2014
Thierry: LC for WebVTT is too short....
... the LC review lasts 4 weeks, per W3C process
... one month to address comments, get approval from Director for
Transition to CR and republish a CR version is unrealistic
... unless we expect 0 comment
Nigel: we don't have the WebVTT folks around
... we can put that to them
... they're working on their FSA process
... to serve as a starting point as soon as the charter is approved
... they'll be very few changes between charter approval and LC
... and they're thinking is that comments will be already addressed by
the time they get into LC
... if anybody needs longer to review WebVTT, they should raise that
point
action-244?
<trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-12-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
issue-295?
<trackbot> issue-295 -- Remove code point restrictions from IMSC -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295
Nigel: Glenn, did you review the edits?
Glenn: not yet. will get that done in the
next couple of days.
... ttml is back on the top of my queue
ACTION-244: waiting on Glenn to confirm the edits
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-244 Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a..
action-257?
<trackbot> action-257 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a new issue to split these out for tracking. -- due 2014-01-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257
issue-205?
<trackbot> issue-205 -- TTML probably shouldn't have adopted xml:id instead of id. -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205
Nigel: there was a proposal to reintroduce id, but it got withdrawn?
Glenn: yes, no other request. I'll like to drop it
Nigel: objection to close it?
close issue-205
<trackbot> Closed issue-205.
action-203?
<trackbot> action-203 -- Glenn Adams to Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help -- due 2013-09-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203
Glenn: I couldn't nail down the intent of
this action
... so I suggested to take no action
Mike: it was raise by plh about a mismatch between 708 border style and CSS
Glenn: I don't believe we have border
support in TTML
... we use shadow and outline for text
... but nothing about border
Mike: let's assume this is text and not
region for a moment. 708 have specific styles that can't be represented
by TTML
... I offered to help frame the problem but this is not my issue
<nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
Nigel: change proposal 15 mentions shadow,
outline and border on text and regions
... it lists some issues related to this
... if Mike was able to describe 708 style, it would be helpful
Mike: I can enumerate text edge style from 708
plh: i'll look into this issue to make it clearer
(action reassigned to plh)
action-262?
<trackbot> action-262 -- Nigel Megitt to Update relevant change proposal to include row alignment requirement and potential css solution based on action-233 findings -- due 2014-01-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262
Nigel: I added that into change proposal 15
... that's in the section called "multiple row alignment"
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row_alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29
<mike> re edge styles, see: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191
Nigel: if people thinks we need more
details, let me know
... otherwise we can close it
close action-262
<trackbot> Closed action-262.
Nigel back to issue-203
Nigel: issue-191 says that it was implemented
Mike: but it wasn't resolved technically
Nigel: Glenn indicated that he fixed it
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98
Glenn: I added an appendix to SDP as part of
the resolution
... "Additional character edge features for raised, depressed, and drop
shadowed edges are suggested for consideration in a future version of
TTML."
... I believe we have an issue to add text shadow property and deprecate
text outline property
... the new text shadow should be sufficient
Nigel: we'll leave 203 open for plh
... Mike might want to add information
action-264?
<trackbot> action-264 -- Nigel Megitt to Ensure all p1 and p2 issues not closed belong in a change proposal -- due 2014-01-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264
Nigel: did these
... any further points to raise?
close action-264
<trackbot> Closed action-264.
close action-251
<trackbot> Closed action-251.
action-251?
<trackbot> action-251 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Copy the wiki pages donated by web&tv in the tt wiki -- due 2013-12-18 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251
Nigel: the slash at the end makes a
different
... so I moved it
<nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications
Nigel: you should fix the link in the wiki of WebTV
<mike> action-203 updated to reference issue-191
action-207?
<trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207
Glenn: I've been working on the TT validator
action-246?
<trackbot> action-246 -- Nigel Megitt to Take deliverables of draft charter to TAG for scrutiny -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246
Nigel: I'll need to look at that harder
... I'll wait until approval for that
Nigel: the only one is change proposal 15
... I added the box declaration break example
... and the font face rule
... and multiple alignment
... unless there are questions, we should figure which change proposals
folks want to take first
... otherwise, I'll like put change proposal 15 at the top of our list
... regarding the timelines, we'll need to accelerate a bit
plh: we should have milestones on the agenda
Glenn: we may need to adjust them
NigeL I could take this offline with Glenn as well
Glenn: sure
<scribe> ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2 deliberables with Glenn [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Estimate timelines for ttml 2 deliberables with glenn [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-02-27].
Nigel: otherwise are welcome to pitch in as well
[adjourned]
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