IRC log of aapi on 2014-02-04

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19:57:47 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:57:47 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
19:57:48 [trackbot]: Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:57:48 [trackbot]: Date: 04 February 2014
19:59:08 [Zakim]: WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
19:59:15 [Zakim]: +[GVoice]
19:59:26 [clown]: zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:59:26 [Zakim]: +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:59:35 [clown]: zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:59:35 [Zakim]: ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
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20:00:53 [clown]: zakim, aaaa has Bryan_Garaventa
20:00:53 [Zakim]: +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
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20:10:13 [clown]: chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:10:17 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft]
20:10:21 [clown]: scribenick: clown
20:10:31 [cyns]: zakim, Microsoft has me
20:10:31 [Zakim]: +cyns; got it
20:11:19 [clown]: agenda: this
20:11:28 [clown]: agenda+ Meeting time
20:11:52 [clown]: agenda+ 1.1 ISSUES and ACTIONS: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
20:12:03 [clown]: agenda+ be done
20:12:14 [clown]: zakim, take up agendum 1
20:12:14 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "Meeting time" taken up [from clown]
20:12:26 [clown]: JS: Is this a good meeting time.
20:12:38 [clown]: CS: Good for me, although I am 15 minutes late.
20:12:51 [clown]: CS: But, doesn't seem good for David.
20:13:12 [clown]: CS: For me, it must be after 10am PST
20:13:40 [clown]: JS: it could be two hours earlier, but not on Tue.
20:14:01 [clown]: CS: 10 on Thu
20:14:20 [clown]: CS: an hour before now, or after, on Thu
20:14:32 [clown]: JS: I can't do Wed.
20:14:58 [clown]: JS: I can't do it 10am - 11:45am on Thu (EST)
20:15:22 [clown]: JS: I could out email, asking for times based on what we have said so far.
20:15:49 [clown]: JS: Any of those times good for you Bryan?
20:16:01 [clown]: BG: All these times are good for me.
20:16:24 [clown]: JS: I will send out an email today or tomorrow.
20:16:38 [clown]: zakim, take up agendum 2
20:16:38 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "1.1 ISSUES and ACTIONS: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
20:17:33 [clown]: JS: url to the uaig 1.1. issues.
20:18:10 [clown]: topic: issue-481
20:18:13 [clown]: issue-481?
20:18:13 [trackbot]: issue-481 -- aria-live removal events should or must happen before object removal -- open
20:18:13 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
20:20:10 [clown]: CS: Seems reasonable. Propose actions for myself and David to see if we already do this.
20:20:45 [clown]: action: Cynthis to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:20:45 [trackbot]: Error finding 'Cynthis'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:20:53 [clown]: action: Cynthia to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:20:53 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1368 - Investigate implementation of aria-live region events in ie apropos issue-481. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:21:11 [clown]: action: David to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:21:11 [trackbot]: Error finding ' David'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:22:15 [clown]: action: davidb to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:22:15 [trackbot]: Error finding ' davidb'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:22:26 [clown]: action: David_Bolter to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:22:26 [trackbot]: Error finding ' David_Bolter'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:22:59 [clown]: action-1368?
20:22:59 [trackbot]: action-1368 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate implementation of aria-live region events in ie apropos issue-481. -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:22:59 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1368
20:29:06 [clown]: topic: issue-532
20:29:11 [clown]: issue-532?
20:29:11 [trackbot]: issue-532 -- UAIG section 5.4 requires user agents to support aria-described by but section 5.6.1.2 makes it optional -- open
20:29:11 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/532
20:30:46 [clown]: CS: let's check to see if this is still true.
20:30:52 [clown]: CS: It says must now.
20:30:57 [clown]: JS: what says must?
20:31:22 [clown]: CS: the link. It doesn't say MAY. It says MUST.
20:31:30 [clown]: JS: So, this issues is obsoletel.
20:31:48 [clown]: Resolution: Close issue-532
20:32:40 [clown]: topic: issue-583
20:32:44 [clown]: issue-583?
20:32:44 [trackbot]: issue-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open
20:32:44 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
20:34:47 [clown]: action-1222?
20:34:47 [trackbot]: action-1222 -- David Bolter to Look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- CLOSED
20:34:47 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
20:35:57 [clown]: For any element with an ID attribute, where the element is a descendant of an element with the aria-activedescendant attribute, apply the following accessibility API states to the target to ensure the object is accessible:
20:36:14 [clown]: Focusable, if the element also has a WAI-ARIA http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#def_role
20:37:30 [clown]: CS: this looks like it is fixed.
20:37:50 [clown]: JS: We all decided back in September that the UAIG was fine in this regard.
20:38:04 [clown]: BS: I can see why you would need a role to make the AD focusable.
20:38:20 [clown]: JS: I will contact Rich and see if he agrees.
20:41:01 [clown]: JS: I should bring up at the next caucus call what we are doing about a 1.1 UAIG and its 1.1 issues and actions.
20:41:28 [clown]: Topic: issue-612
20:41:31 [clown]: issue-612?
20:41:31 [trackbot]: issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
20:41:32 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
20:42:29 [clown]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=69
20:46:04 [clown]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499917
20:47:10 [clown]: action: Joseph to add text back into UAIG regarding computing implicit level information when a tree is built out of aria-owns relationships.
20:47:10 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1370 - Add text back into uaig regarding computing implicit level information when a tree is built out of aria-owns relationships. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2014-02-11].
20:47:19 [clown]: action-1370?
20:47:19 [trackbot]: action-1370 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add text back into uaig regarding computing implicit level information when a tree is built out of aria-owns relationships. -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:47:19 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1370
20:48:30 [clown]: Topic: issue-618
20:48:34 [clown]: issue-618?
20:48:34 [trackbot]: issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
20:48:34 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/618
20:48:38 [clown]: CS: This looks like it's mine.
20:49:45 [clown]: action: Cynthia to investigate what IE does for single selection container when item becomes unselected, and create a test case (issue-618).
20:49:45 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1371 - Investigate what ie does for single selection container when item becomes unselected, and create a test case (issue-618). [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:49:50 [clown]: action-1371?
20:49:50 [trackbot]: action-1371 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate what ie does for single selection container when item becomes unselected, and create a test case (issue-618). -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:49:50 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1371
20:50:47 [clown]: topic: issue-635
20:50:49 [clown]: issue-635?
20:50:49 [trackbot]: issue-635 -- Determine if uaig mappings for rowgroup are correct -- open
20:50:49 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/635
20:52:23 [clown]: action: Cynthia to create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role
20:52:23 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1372 - Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:52:52 [clown]: action-1372?
20:52:52 [trackbot]: action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:52:52 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
20:53:55 [clown]: topic: issue-441
20:53:59 [clown]: issue-441?
20:53:59 [trackbot]: issue-441 -- Normative UAIG requirements for what UAs do when aria-posinset or aria-setsize is provided explicitly on some, but not all, elements within a set. -- raised
20:53:59 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/441
20:54:31 [clown]: CS: I think the first step is to create test case, and see what happens now.
20:54:56 [clown]: action: cynthia to create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements.
20:54:57 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1373 - Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:55:03 [clown]: action-1373?
20:55:03 [trackbot]: action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:55:03 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
20:56:22 [clown]: toipc: issue-473
20:56:25 [clown]: issue-473?
20:56:25 [trackbot]: issue-473 -- Math mapping to AAPI -- raised
20:56:25 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/473
20:56:48 [clown]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13647
20:57:01 [clown]: JS: issues says it relates to an html bug
20:57:16 [clown]: JS: The bug is listsed as "verified invalid".
20:58:05 [clown]: CS: I don't think is a UAIG issue.
20:58:23 [clown]: CS: This is a PF issue to coordinate with another WG.
20:59:10 [clown]: CS: We should send an email to Michael about this.
20:59:43 [clown]: JS: I could bring it up at the caucus call.
21:00:10 [clown]: CS: I'm going to change the assoiciated product to spec reviews.
21:02:27 [Zakim]: -[Microsoft]
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21:02:45 [clown]: JS: I think this has something to do with deprecating the ARIA math role.
21:02:58 [clown]: JS: And just using MathML instead.
21:03:10 [clown]: JS: If so, this doesn't have much to do with the UAIG.
21:03:31 [clown]: JS: Unless it is the separate html/uaig document.
21:03:41 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-aapi-minutes.html clown
21:04:55 [clown]: zakim, bye
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21:04:56 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, cyns
21:05:03 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-aapi-minutes.html clown
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21:08:09 [clown]: s/a good meeting time/a good meeting time?/
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21:08:48 [clown]: s/a good meeting time?./a good meeting time?/
21:08:51 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-aapi-minutes.html clown
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