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19:57:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:57:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
19:57:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:57:48 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2014
19:59:08 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
19:59:15 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
19:59:26 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:59:26 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:59:35 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:59:35 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
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20:00:14 <Zakim> + +1.650.773.aaaa
20:00:53 <clown> zakim, aaaa has Bryan_Garaventa
20:00:53 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
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20:10:13 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:10:17 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:10:21 <clown> scribenick:  clown
20:10:31 <cyns> zakim, Microsoft has me
20:10:31 <Zakim> +cyns; got it
20:11:19 <clown> agenda:  this
20:11:28 <clown> agenda+ Meeting time
20:11:52 <clown> agenda+ 1.1 ISSUES and ACTIONS:  https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
20:12:03 <clown> agenda+ be done
20:12:14 <clown> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:12:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Meeting time" taken up [from clown]
20:12:26 <clown> JS:  Is this a good meeting time.
20:12:38 <clown> CS:  Good for me, although I am 15 minutes late.
20:12:51 <clown> CS:  But, doesn't seem good for David.
20:13:12 <clown> CS:  For me, it must be after 10am PST
20:13:40 <clown> JS:  it could be two hours earlier, but not on Tue.
20:14:01 <clown> CS:  10 on Thu
20:14:20 <clown> CS:  an hour before now, or after, on Thu
20:14:32 <clown> JS:  I can't do Wed.
20:14:58 <clown> JS:  I can't do it 10am - 11:45am on Thu (EST)
20:15:22 <clown> JS:  I could out email, asking for times based on what we have said so far.
20:15:49 <clown> JS:  Any of those times good for you Bryan?
20:16:01 <clown> BG:  All these times are good for me.
20:16:24 <clown> JS:  I will send out an email today or tomorrow.
20:16:38 <clown> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:16:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "1.1 ISSUES and ACTIONS:  https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
20:17:33 <clown> JS:  url to the uaig 1.1. issues.
20:18:10 <clown> topic:  issue-481
20:18:13 <clown> issue-481?
20:18:13 <trackbot> issue-481 -- aria-live removal events should or must happen before object removal -- open
20:18:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
20:20:10 <clown> CS:  Seems reasonable.  Propose actions for myself and David to see if we already do this.
20:20:45 <clown> action:  Cynthis to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:20:45 <trackbot> Error finding 'Cynthis'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:20:53 <clown> action:  Cynthia to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:20:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1368 - Investigate implementation of aria-live region events in ie apropos issue-481. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:21:11 <clown> action:  David to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:21:11 <trackbot> Error finding ' David'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:22:15 <clown> action:  davidb to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:22:15 <trackbot> Error finding ' davidb'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:22:26 <clown> action:  David_Bolter to investigate implementation of aria-live region events in IE apropos issue-481.
20:22:26 <trackbot> Error finding ' David_Bolter'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
20:22:59 <clown> action-1368?
20:22:59 <trackbot> action-1368 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate implementation of aria-live region events in ie apropos issue-481. -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:22:59 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1368
20:29:06 <clown> topic:  issue-532
20:29:11 <clown> issue-532?
20:29:11 <trackbot> issue-532 -- UAIG section 5.4 requires user agents to support aria-described by but section 5.6.1.2 makes it optional -- open
20:29:11 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/532
20:30:46 <clown> CS:  let's check to see if this is still true.
20:30:52 <clown> CS:  It says must now.
20:30:57 <clown> JS:  what says must?
20:31:22 <clown> CS:  the link.  It doesn't say MAY.  It says MUST.
20:31:30 <clown> JS:  So, this issues is obsoletel.
20:31:48 <clown> Resolution:  Close issue-532
20:32:40 <clown> topic:  issue-583
20:32:44 <clown> issue-583?
20:32:44 <trackbot> issue-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open
20:32:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
20:34:47 <clown> action-1222?
20:34:47 <trackbot> action-1222 -- David Bolter to Look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- CLOSED
20:34:47 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
20:35:57 <clown> For any element with an ID attribute, where the element is a descendant of an element with the aria-activedescendant attribute, apply the following accessibility API states to the target to ensure the object is accessible:
20:36:14 <clown> Focusable, if the element also has a WAI-ARIA http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#def_role
20:37:30 <clown> CS: this looks like it is fixed.
20:37:50 <clown> JS:  We all decided back in September that the UAIG was fine in this regard.
20:38:04 <clown> BS:  I can see why you would need a role to make the AD focusable.
20:38:20 <clown> JS:  I will contact Rich and see if he agrees.
20:41:01 <clown> JS:  I should bring up at the next caucus call what we are doing about a 1.1 UAIG and its 1.1 issues and actions.
20:41:28 <clown> Topic:  issue-612
20:41:31 <clown> issue-612?
20:41:31 <trackbot> issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
20:41:32 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
20:42:29 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=69
20:46:04 <clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499917
20:47:10 <clown> action:  Joseph to add text back into UAIG regarding computing implicit level information when a tree is built out of aria-owns relationships.
20:47:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1370 - Add text back into uaig regarding computing implicit level information when a tree is built out of aria-owns relationships. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2014-02-11].
20:47:19 <clown> action-1370?
20:47:19 <trackbot> action-1370 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add text back into uaig regarding computing implicit level information when a tree is built out of aria-owns relationships. -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:47:19 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1370
20:48:30 <clown> Topic:  issue-618
20:48:34 <clown> issue-618?
20:48:34 <trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
20:48:34 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/618
20:48:38 <clown> CS:  This looks like it's mine.
20:49:45 <clown> action:  Cynthia to investigate what IE does for single selection container when item becomes unselected, and create a test case (issue-618).
20:49:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1371 - Investigate what ie does for single selection container when item becomes unselected, and create a test case (issue-618). [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:49:50 <clown> action-1371?
20:49:50 <trackbot> action-1371 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate what ie does for single selection container when item becomes unselected, and create a test case (issue-618). -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:49:50 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1371
20:50:47 <clown> topic:  issue-635
20:50:49 <clown> issue-635?
20:50:49 <trackbot> issue-635 -- Determine if uaig mappings for rowgroup are correct -- open
20:50:49 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/635
20:52:23 <clown> action:  Cynthia to create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role
20:52:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1372 - Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:52:52 <clown> action-1372?
20:52:52 <trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:52:52 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
20:53:55 <clown> topic:  issue-441
20:53:59 <clown> issue-441?
20:53:59 <trackbot> issue-441 -- Normative UAIG requirements for what UAs do when aria-posinset or aria-setsize is provided explicitly on some, but not all, elements within a set. -- raised
20:53:59 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/441
20:54:31 <clown> CS:  I think the first step is to create  test case, and see what happens now.
20:54:56 <clown> action:  cynthia to create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements.
20:54:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1373 - Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-02-11].
20:55:03 <clown> action-1373?
20:55:03 <trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-02-11 -- OPEN
20:55:03 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
20:56:22 <clown> toipc: issue-473
20:56:25 <clown> issue-473?
20:56:25 <trackbot> issue-473 -- Math mapping to AAPI -- raised
20:56:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/473
20:56:48 <clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13647
20:57:01 <clown> JS:  issues says it relates to an html bug
20:57:16 <clown> JS:  The bug is listsed as "verified invalid".
20:58:05 <clown> CS:  I don't think is a UAIG issue.
20:58:23 <clown> CS:  This is a PF issue to coordinate with another WG.
20:59:10 <clown> CS:  We should send an email to Michael about this.
20:59:43 <clown> JS:  I could bring it up at the caucus call.
21:00:10 <clown> CS:  I'm going to change the assoiciated product to spec reviews.
21:02:27 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:02:33 <Zakim> - +1.650.773.aaaa
21:02:45 <clown> JS:  I think this has something to do with deprecating the ARIA math role.
21:02:58 <clown> JS:  And just using MathML instead.
21:03:10 <clown> JS:  If so, this doesn't have much to do with the UAIG.
21:03:31 <clown> JS:  Unless it is the separate html/uaig document.
21:03:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-aapi-minutes.html clown
21:04:55 <clown> zakim, bye
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21:04:56 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, cyns
21:05:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-aapi-minutes.html clown
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21:08:09 <clown> s/a good meeting time/a good meeting time?/
21:08:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-aapi-minutes.html clown
21:08:48 <clown> s/a good meeting time?./a good meeting time?/
21:08:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/04-aapi-minutes.html clown
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