IRC log of webperf on 2014-01-15

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be WPWG
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 January 2014
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20:02:48 [JatinderMann]
who is talking?
20:02:53 [JatinderMann]
zakim, who is talking?
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sorry, JatinderMann, I don't know what conference this is
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zakim, this is per
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ok, plh3; that matches RWC_web-per()3:00PM
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+Plh
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+ +1.650.214.aacc
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present+ plh
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present+ alois
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present+ bernhard
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present+ ilya
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zakim, aacc is Ilya
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+Ilya; got it
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0061.html
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hello!
20:08:18 [JatinderMann]
Topic: Resource Priorities
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[[
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The use cases that I studied for script preloading need more than just
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that; in trying to address them I proposed a couple of new attributes that
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set up a dependency mechanism
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]]
20:12:35 [JatinderMann]
Plh: I believe there were two dimensions to his request, one to add hooks, but there was also a discussion about scripts and ecmascipt 6 and adding the right hooks into HTML.
20:13:06 [JatinderMann]
Plh: The Ecmascript 6 changes should be closed by 2014. We may want to talk to them.
20:14:19 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: It may be worth talking to EcmaScript folks and find out what's coming.
20:14:50 [JatinderMann]
Ilya: We should keep up with scripts, but we may want to pursue this just for all of the other elements.
20:17:33 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: I agree as well. For independent resources like images, resource priorities works well. For scripts and CSS, changing the order can impact page load if not done right.
20:18:29 [plh3]
http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-ecmascript-language-modules-and-scripts
20:18:55 [JatinderMann]
Ilya: I think Resource Priorities should cover container elements.
20:18:59 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: Agree.
20:19:52 [JatinderMann]
Ilya: The module work sounds like its still independent of resource priorities, I don't think those two things clash. But I haven't followed the discussion.
20:20:36 [JatinderMann]
Ilya: I'll follow up with Ian.
20:20:43 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: I'll respond to the thread.
20:21:10 [JatinderMann]
Topic: Workshop
20:23:11 [JatinderMann]
Plh: We discussed doing a workshop around June 24th near Velocity. Are we still interested in doing this?
20:23:56 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: I am definitely still interested in doing the meeting, as we had discussed.
20:24:02 [JatinderMann]
Plh: Same format or different?
20:24:39 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: I think we should encourage folks to bring topics and prepare. However, I think we should definitely have an unconference discussion with all the right people in the room.
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Alois: I think some framing into the workshop agenda will help focus the discussions.
20:29:50 [JatinderMann]
Plh: We shouldn't require every participant to send a paragraph, we should invite people to attend. I'll send a call for consensus draft.
20:31:21 [JatinderMann]
Plh: I'll make sure there are no conflicts with Velocity. June 24 - 26 is Velocity. Dev Day may be on the Fri.
20:31:39 [plh3]
June 24-26, Conference
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June 27, Dev day
20:33:41 [JatinderMann]
Ilya: I heard there may be some rumours the day may change. We should talk to Souders.
20:35:15 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: We shouldn't bar entry to Web Perf meeting to the Velocity conference.
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Ilya: Dev Day is an independent event of Velocity.
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Plh: I'll send email to Steve.
20:38:01 [JatinderMann]
Plh: We should figure out what we're going to do for the private working group meeting, especially if we're meeting on Friday.
20:39:06 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: It shouldn't take longer than a fewer hours (last time we were done in 3 hours).
20:39:41 [JatinderMann]
Plh: We should be able to just meeting Friday evening or Monday morning. I'll follow up.
20:41:17 [JatinderMann]
Topic: Networking Hints
20:45:03 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: I have taken a look the proposal and I shared it with our networking folks. I'll share more details on the mailing list.
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Jatinder: What is difference between preload and prefetch?
20:48:15 [JatinderMann]
Ilya: Prefetch is lower priority, subresource is higher pri. But we have found people can shoot themselves in the foot.
20:52:37 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: Most UA preparsers will encounter the 'preload' at the same time it encounters the source.
20:54:11 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: What does prerender mean for images? For documents it means navigate in hidden tab.
20:54:45 [JatinderMann]
...You wouldn't render the image until you have done laying out the entire page. You may decode it.
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-[IPcaller]
21:00:12 [Alois]
sorry call dropped
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- +1.425.522.aabb
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-Plh
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-[IPcaller.a]
21:00:20 [JatinderMann]
Jatinder: Let's discuss some more on the mailing list.
21:00:25 [JatinderMann]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/15-webperf-minutes.html JatinderMann
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disconnecting the lone participant, Ilya, in RWC_web-per()3:00PM
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RWC_web-per()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were [IPcaller], +1.425.522.aaaa, +1.425.522.aabb, Plh, +1.650.214.aacc, Ilya
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