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13:59:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:59:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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13:59:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:59:16 <trackbot> Date: 22 September 2014
14:00:43 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
14:01:51 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here? ←
14:01:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud
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14:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, pchampin, betehess, deiu, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, jmvanel, Arnaud, tommorris, taaz, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Ashok, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, pchampin, betehess, deiu, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, jmvanel, Arnaud, tommorris, taaz, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot ←
14:01:56 <Zakim> +deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu ←
14:01:57 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
14:01:58 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me ←
14:01:58 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:02:09 <Zakim> + +1.617.838.aaaa
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14:02:15 <Zakim> +Alexandre
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14:02:29 <TallTed> Zakim, aaaa is me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:02:30 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:02:33 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:02:34 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:03:20 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:05:50 <deiu> Or forward public-ldpatch list to public-ldp?
Andrei Sambra: Or forward public-ldpatch list to public-ldp? ←
14:07:02 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:07:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, TallTed (muted), Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, TallTed (muted), Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:07:35 <betehess> la crème de la crème
Alexandre Bertails: la crème de la crème ←
14:08:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:08:40 <deiu> ok
Andrei Sambra: ok ←
14:08:45 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
<deiu> chair: Arnaud
<deiu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.09.22
14:09:19 <deiu> Arnaud: I haven't had a chance to look at everything re. ld-patch, as the emails were sent at night
Arnaud Le Hors: I haven't had a chance to look at everything re. ld-patch, as the emails were sent at night ←
14:09:28 <deiu> ... I woke up to a pile of emails
... I woke up to a pile of emails ←
14:09:55 <deiu> sandro: [...planet is round...]
Sandro Hawke: [...planet is round...] ←
14:10:04 <betehess> didn't see anything wrong there
Alexandre Bertails: didn't see anything wrong there ←
<deiu> topic: Admin
14:10:09 <deiu> Arnaud: objections to minutes from last week?
Arnaud Le Hors: objections to minutes from last week? ←
<deiu> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-09-15
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-09-15 ←
14:10:19 <deiu> Resolved: Minutes of 15 September 2014 are approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of 15 September 2014 are approved ←
14:10:31 <deiu> ...we're meeting next week, Sept. 29th
...we're meeting next week, Sept. 29th ←
14:10:46 <deiu> ...we can skip the Actions and Issues
...we can skip the Actions and Issues ←
14:10:51 <deiu> Topic: LDP Spec
14:11:20 <deiu> Arnaud: the LC document was published and we need to keep track of the disposition of comments
Arnaud Le Hors: the LC document was published and we need to keep track of the disposition of comments ←
14:11:32 <deiu> ...I suggested we do not use the LC tracker and people agreed
...I suggested we do not use the LC tracker and people agreed ←
14:11:38 <deiu> ...we'll just use the wiki page
...we'll just use the wiki page ←
14:11:48 <deiu> ...I created the first wiki page (with some pain re. styling)
...I created the first wiki page (with some pain re. styling) ←
14:12:07 <deiu> ...I reproduced the document we get as the outcome of our LC tracker
...I reproduced the document we get as the outcome of our LC tracker ←
14:12:33 <deiu> sandro: have you seen how other WGs did that on their wikis?
Sandro Hawke: have you seen how other WGs did that on their wikis? ←
14:12:44 <deiu> Arnaud: not really, I'd love to get a pointer if you have one
Arnaud Le Hors: not really, I'd love to get a pointer if you have one ←
14:12:54 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
14:13:00 <deiu> ...the RDF WG had some nice ones
...the RDF WG had some nice ones ←
14:13:04 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P14 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P14 is me ←
14:13:04 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:13:10 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
14:13:10 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted ←
14:13:13 <SteveS> Reto’s comment be considered a LC3 comment? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Sep/0006.html
Steve Speicher: Reto’s comment be considered a LC3 comment? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Sep/0006.html ←
14:13:26 <deiu> Arnaud: basically styling sucks
Arnaud Le Hors: basically styling sucks ←
14:13:57 <deiu> ...we will keep track of the compliance report; as of now we have enough to go to PR without indirect container
...we will keep track of the compliance report; as of now we have enough to go to PR without indirect container ←
14:14:13 <deiu> ...we'll see whether we get an implementation by the time we get to PR
...we'll see whether we get an implementation by the time we get to PR ←
14:14:40 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments behold the *fabulous* Turtle CR Comments
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments behold the *fabulous* Turtle CR Comments ←
14:14:53 <deiu> SteveS: there was a comment (from Reto) and I don't know if we should treat that as a LC issue
Steve Speicher: there was a comment (from Reto) and I don't know if we should treat that as a LC issue ←
14:14:57 <deiu> Arnaud: I remember, yes
Arnaud Le Hors: I remember, yes ←
14:15:20 <deiu> SteveS: I think the we could provide more clarity there (re. interaction model)
Steve Speicher: I think the we could provide more clarity there (re. interaction model) ←
14:15:31 <deiu> Arnaud: I agree we can treat it as a LC comment
Arnaud Le Hors: I agree we can treat it as a LC comment ←
14:16:05 <deiu> ...I would like that you (SteveS) respond to it and see what the spec needs, so we can improve the text
...I would like that you (SteveS) respond to it and see what the spec needs, so we can improve the text ←
14:16:08 <deiu> Topic: Paging
14:16:29 <deiu> Arnaud: the document is not accurate yet, but I suppose you guys saw that John did reply and it generated quite a thread
Arnaud Le Hors: the document is not accurate yet, but I suppose you guys saw that John did reply and it generated quite a thread ←
14:16:38 <deiu> ...the two threads are kind of merged now
...the two threads are kind of merged now ←
14:16:54 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:17:07 <deiu> ...it seems that in the end they're not saying we got it completely wrong...but we may need to ask if they're ok with this moving forward or if we need to clarify it more
...it seems that in the end they're not saying we got it completely wrong...but we may need to ask if they're ok with this moving forward or if we need to clarify it more ←
14:17:15 <deiu> Ashok: I added a couple of comments
Ashok Malhotra: I added a couple of comments ←
14:17:55 <deiu> Arnaud: should we discuss those comments now?
Arnaud Le Hors: should we discuss those comments now? ←
14:18:05 <deiu> ...unfortunately John is away for 3 weeks
...unfortunately John is away for 3 weeks ←
14:18:38 <deiu> Arnaud: we have to pick up the slack and deal with the comments while he's not here
Arnaud Le Hors: we have to pick up the slack and deal with the comments while he's not here ←
14:19:28 <deiu> Arnaud: we should still answer Ashok's questions but we don't have to treat them as LC comments since Ashok is a WG member
Arnaud Le Hors: we should still answer Ashok's questions but we don't have to treat them as LC comments since Ashok is a WG member ←
14:19:34 <deiu> Arnaud: let's discuss them
Arnaud Le Hors: let's discuss them ←
14:20:03 <deiu> Ashok: there was one which was asking whether we want to allow the client to specify the ordering (e.g. ORDER BY in SQL)
Ashok Malhotra: there was one which was asking whether we want to allow the client to specify the ordering (e.g. ORDER BY in SQL) ←
14:20:14 <deiu> Arnaud: we don't do that, so that's the answer
Arnaud Le Hors: we don't do that, so that's the answer ←
14:20:30 <deiu> Ashok: the question that I could not remember was whether we had spoken about it
Ashok Malhotra: the question that I could not remember was whether we had spoken about it ←
14:20:36 <deiu> Arnaud: yes we had
Arnaud Le Hors: yes we had ←
14:20:55 <deiu> ...it would seem logical but it is server driven for now
...it would seem logical but it is server driven for now ←
14:21:09 <deiu> Ashok: I'm a bit concerned about it
Ashok Malhotra: I'm a bit concerned about it ←
14:21:32 <deiu> ...is the order set by the server arbitrary?
...is the order set by the server arbitrary? ←
14:21:38 <deiu> Arnaud: it depends on the server
Arnaud Le Hors: it depends on the server ←
14:21:51 <deiu> ...there might be an application specific order
...there might be an application specific order ←
14:22:24 <deiu> SteveS: we need to take a holistic view of how the client can request the contents of a container to see what's in it but also to filter the response
Steve Speicher: we need to take a holistic view of how the client can request the contents of a container to see what's in it but also to filter the response ←
14:22:50 <deiu> ...I thought we agreed to discuss that once we finish working on the "core" of paging
...I thought we agreed to discuss that once we finish working on the "core" of paging ←
14:22:54 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:22:54 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:23:07 <deiu> Arnaud: you can come up with a proposal
Arnaud Le Hors: you can come up with a proposal ←
14:23:51 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:23:51 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:23:51 <deiu> TallTed: does it make any sense to at put a disclaimer there, since this issue will keep coming up in the future?
Ted Thibodeau: does it make any sense to at put a disclaimer there, since this issue will keep coming up in the future? ←
14:23:58 <deiu> Arnaud: agreed
Arnaud Le Hors: agreed ←
14:24:23 <deiu> Ashok: can the client find the type of ordering set by the server?
Ashok Malhotra: can the client find the type of ordering set by the server? ←
14:24:40 <deiu> Arnaud: yes, for containers -- you cannot set the ordering but you can get it
Arnaud Le Hors: yes, for containers -- you cannot set the ordering but you can get it ←
14:25:26 <deiu> ...we should still take an action to add a note though
...we should still take an action to add a note though ←
14:25:43 <deiu> ...could you please do that, SteveS?
...could you please do that, SteveS? ←
14:25:49 <deiu> SteveS: yes, I'll do it
Steve Speicher: yes, I'll do it ←
14:25:54 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:25:58 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:26:07 <deiu> Ashok: one more question: Steve, you're going to add filtering too, right?
Ashok Malhotra: one more question: Steve, you're going to add filtering too, right? ←
14:26:31 <deiu> SteveS: yes, that's correct, and the filtering part could go into the LDP spec, and the sorting can go into paging
Steve Speicher: yes, that's correct, and the filtering part could go into the LDP spec, and the sorting can go into paging ←
14:26:39 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:26:39 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:26:58 <deiu> ...is TallTed's point a general one or was it just for the paging spec?
...is TallTed's point a general one or was it just for the paging spec? ←
14:27:12 <deiu> SteveS: we can put it into the non-normative intro for containers
Steve Speicher: we can put it into the non-normative intro for containers ←
14:27:16 <deiu> [everyone agrees]
[everyone agrees] ←
14:27:17 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:27:17 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:27:27 <deiu> Arnaud: shall we talk 2NN now or ld-patch?
Arnaud Le Hors: shall we talk 2NN now or ld-patch? ←
14:27:41 <deiu> ericP: I can be quick about 2nn
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can be quick about 2nn ←
<deiu> topic: 2NN
14:28:27 <deiu> ericP: the gatekeepers for http-2 are Roy Fielding and Mark N.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the gatekeepers for http-2 are Roy Fielding and Mark N. ←
14:29:01 <deiu> ...for them is perfectly fine re. fragment ids (@@ was that right?)
...for them is perfectly fine re. fragment ids (@@ was that right?) ←
14:29:26 <deiu> ...they said they for paging we should be using Range (byte or anything else on the planet -- i.e. unicode)
...they said they for paging we should be using Range (byte or anything else on the planet -- i.e. unicode) ←
14:29:45 <deiu> ...we can invent a scheme with an ETag and a range
...we can invent a scheme with an ETag and a range ←
14:30:07 <deiu> ...the effect is that we keep doing GETs with different ranges and we don't have to change the URL
...the effect is that we keep doing GETs with different ranges and we don't have to change the URL ←
14:30:33 <deiu> ...we asked about a question re. what is metadata applied to, but didn't really get a reply yet
...we asked about a question re. what is metadata applied to, but didn't really get a reply yet ←
14:30:55 <deiu> sandro: I started a new thread about range, maybe you've missed it?
Sandro Hawke: I started a new thread about range, maybe you've missed it? ←
14:31:18 <deiu> ...after our last meeting on the 15th, I sent an email
...after our last meeting on the 15th, I sent an email ←
14:31:28 <deiu> ...most people have refuted the reasons I gave
...most people have refuted the reasons I gave ←
14:31:54 <deiu> ...we may have to create some 4xx codes
...we may have to create some 4xx codes ←
14:32:25 <deiu> ...we don't know how to do safe changes with range and I don't think anyone had any refutations about it
...we don't know how to do safe changes with range and I don't think anyone had any refutations about it ←
14:33:02 <deiu> ...you delete an item and you say there is no "triple 7" anymore and you don't shift things back
...you delete an item and you say there is no "triple 7" anymore and you don't shift things back ←
14:33:06 <deiu> ...you keep adding
...you keep adding ←
14:33:20 <deiu> ...with insert you don't really lose data, you get duplicates
...with insert you don't really lose data, you get duplicates ←
14:33:44 <deiu> ...third item was that our systems don't do integer retrieval -- no refutations there
...third item was that our systems don't do integer retrieval -- no refutations there ←
14:34:27 <deiu> ...also, the Web infrastructure support non-byte ranges -- caching will probably not produce errors
...also, the Web infrastructure support non-byte ranges -- caching will probably not produce errors ←
14:35:02 <deiu> sandro: defining a new range unit requires the same process: write an RFC and start a WG
Sandro Hawke: defining a new range unit requires the same process: write an RFC and start a WG ←
14:35:12 <deiu> Arnaud: so what's the conclusion?
Arnaud Le Hors: so what's the conclusion? ←
14:35:35 <deiu> sandro: my emotional answer is "I'm done with this"
Sandro Hawke: my emotional answer is "I'm done with this" ←
14:36:39 <deiu> Arnaud: we can just mark it as a feature as risk for now and just leave the redirect there
Arnaud Le Hors: we can just mark it as a feature as risk for now and just leave the redirect there ←
14:37:01 <deiu> ericP: ok, so maybe 2nn is not for paging but people might still want 2nn
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ok, so maybe 2nn is not for paging but people might still want 2nn ←
14:37:10 <betehess> +1 to not tying 2NN to Paging
Alexandre Bertails: +1 to not tying 2NN to Paging ←
14:37:25 <deiu> ... so the text has to change from paging use-cases to non-IR use-cases
... so the text has to change from paging use-cases to non-IR use-cases ←
14:37:47 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:38:06 <deiu> sandro: we just need to bring in fresh blood who gets to argue about it outside our use-cases
Sandro Hawke: we just need to bring in fresh blood who gets to argue about it outside our use-cases ←
14:38:37 <deiu> ericP: so the use-cases are going to be around non-IRs so it's possible that the best way to make that happen is through civil disobedience
Eric Prud'hommeaux: so the use-cases are going to be around non-IRs so it's possible that the best way to make that happen is through civil disobedience ←
14:39:00 <deiu> ...here's a little spec that tells you how to do it, so go argue with these guys (IETF I assume?)
...here's a little spec that tells you how to do it, so go argue with these guys (IETF I assume?) ←
14:39:10 <deiu> Arnaud: I could see Tim doing that
Arnaud Le Hors: I could see Tim doing that ←
14:40:11 <deiu> sandro: Roy's email also said that people will probably go ahead and still implement 2nn, which doesn't sound like a formal objection
Sandro Hawke: Roy's email also said that people will probably go ahead and still implement 2nn, which doesn't sound like a formal objection ←
14:40:27 <deiu> Arnaud: wasn't there another use-case about packaging?
Arnaud Le Hors: wasn't there another use-case about packaging? ←
14:40:53 <deiu> ericP: yes, you get some Web app and when you get f00, you get back f00 + a bunch of other resources
Eric Prud'hommeaux: yes, you get some Web app and when you get f00, you get back f00 + a bunch of other resources ←
14:41:16 <deiu> ...the right answer to that is probably SPDY
...the right answer to that is probably SPDY ←
14:41:34 <deiu> sandro: we've waited 25 years already, we can wait a bit more
Sandro Hawke: we've waited 25 years already, we can wait a bit more ←
14:41:59 <deiu> ericP: what's the best interim solution? 2nn which may break caching or something else?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's the best interim solution? 2nn which may break caching or something else? ←
14:42:17 <deiu> Arnaud: I would not suggest we do it anyway, we marked it as "as risk"
Arnaud Le Hors: I would not suggest we do it anyway, we marked it as "at risk" ←
14:42:24 <deiu> s/as risk/at risk
14:43:21 <deiu> sandro: I don't understand how IETF gets consensus because they don't have meetings in that WG, it seems the decision belongs to whoever gets the last say on the mailing list
Sandro Hawke: I don't understand how IETF gets consensus because they don't have meetings in that WG, it seems the decision belongs to whoever gets the last say on the mailing list ←
14:43:45 <deiu> ericP: the answer is that there is no answer
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the answer is that there is no answer ←
14:44:03 <deiu> sandro: I suggest you talk to Mark and ask him to give us the code and see how it works
Sandro Hawke: I suggest you talk to Mark and ask him to give us the code and see how it works ←
14:44:21 <deiu> ericP: I suspect sandro has a bit more authority to reply to that thread
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I suspect sandro has a bit more authority to reply to that thread ←
14:44:23 <deiu> sandro: ok
Sandro Hawke: ok ←
14:45:15 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, let's move on
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, let's move on ←
<deiu> topic: LD Patch
14:45:54 <deiu> Arnaud: I added to links to the agenda
Arnaud Le Hors: I added to links to the agenda ←
14:46:07 <deiu> ...we're getting some reaction
...we're getting some reaction ←
14:46:21 <deiu> ...people are sending suggestions on how to do it
...people are sending suggestions on how to do it ←
14:46:35 <deiu> ...what do we need to talk about, betehess?
...what do we need to talk about, betehess? ←
14:46:50 <deiu> betehess: I don't think it's worth speaking about Kingsley's email
Alexandre Bertails: I don't think it's worth speaking about Kingsley's email ←
14:47:10 <deiu> ...the email from David Booth was expected, since we've been discussing that issue in the group
...the email from David Booth was expected, since we've been discussing that issue in the group ←
14:47:12 <betehess> http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch
Alexandre Bertails: http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch ←
14:47:16 <deiu> ...I wrote an article about that
...I wrote an article about that ←
14:47:25 <deiu> ...for me it all boils down to the list of requirements
...for me it all boils down to the list of requirements ←
14:47:28 <betehess> http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch#requirements
Alexandre Bertails: http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch#requirements ←
14:48:01 <deiu> ...I agree that if the group or someone else can make the point that the requirements are not valid, we can stop the work on ld-paging
...I agree that if the group or someone else can make the point that the requirements are not valid, we can stop the work on ld-patch ←
14:48:17 <bblfish> s/ld-paging/ld-patch/
14:49:05 <deiu> Arnaud: David doesn't really add something that makes a difference at this point, we've been talking about SPARQL
Arnaud Le Hors: David doesn't really add something that makes a difference at this point, we've been talking about SPARQL ←
14:49:47 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
14:50:06 <deiu> Arnaud: Henry is not here?
Arnaud Le Hors: Henry is not here? ←
14:50:23 <deiu> bblfish: I've been wondering about another way of doing things -- standardizing bnodes
Henry Story: I've been wondering about another way of doing things -- standardizing bnodes ←
14:50:43 <deiu> ...we know that patching triples is simple if we have persistent bnodes
...we know that patching triples is simple if we have persistent bnodes ←
14:50:56 <deiu> ...I don't get the skolemization in RDF 1.1
...I don't get the skolemization in RDF 1.1 ←
14:51:28 <deiu> ...I just sent a few mails out asking what the limitations are, since I believe it hasn't been explored enough
...I just sent a few mails out asking what the limitations are, since I believe it hasn't been explored enough ←
14:51:30 <betehess> do we want to go again through the skolemization discussion today?
Alexandre Bertails: do we want to go again through the skolemization discussion today? ←
14:52:03 <deiu> betehess: we've discussed skolemization several times and we agreed (as a group) that we won't go that way
Alexandre Bertails: we've discussed skolemization several times and we agreed (as a group) that we won't go that way ←
14:52:46 <deiu> bblfish: I don't think skolemization is such a big problem (in terms of complexity)
Henry Story: I don't think skolemization is such a big problem (in terms of complexity) ←
14:53:09 <deiu> sandro: that only works if the graph is exactly the same, and some of our use-cases involve graphs that have changed
Sandro Hawke: that only works if the graph is exactly the same, and some of our use-cases involve graphs that have changed ←
14:53:51 <deiu> bblfish: imagine you have a patch with a WHERE clause that identifies a path to a bnode
Henry Story: imagine you have a patch with a WHERE clause that identifies a path to a bnode ←
14:54:50 <deiu> ...[not making too much sense]
...[not making too much sense] ←
14:55:57 <deiu> Arnaud: to sum it up, bblfish has this idea about skolemization and we also got the comments from David Booth
Arnaud Le Hors: to sum it up, bblfish has this idea about skolemization and we also got the comments from David Booth ←
14:56:22 <deiu> ...and then we got betehess who reminds us that most of those comments have already been discussed in the group
...and then we got betehess who reminds us that most of those comments have already been discussed in the group ←
14:57:19 <deiu> Ashok: do we actually have to specify that you have to use ld-patch? what if you want to use a SPARQL Update subset?
Ashok Malhotra: do we actually have to specify that you have to use ld-patch? what if you want to use a SPARQL Update subset? ←
14:57:32 <deiu> Arnaud: indeed, we don't say anything about it
Arnaud Le Hors: indeed, we don't say anything about it ←
14:57:49 <deiu> ...conneg allows you to specify different formats
...conneg allows you to specify different formats ←
14:58:27 <deiu> ...in the current spec there are no MUSTs associated to a specific format, and it doesn't stop anyone from using other formats
...in the current spec there are no MUSTs associated to a specific format, and it doesn't stop anyone from using other formats ←
14:58:28 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
14:58:54 <deiu> Arnaud: we're about done with today's call; I encourage people to keep answering comments on the list
Arnaud Le Hors: we're about done with today's call; I encourage people to keep answering comments on the list ←
14:59:11 <deiu> ...anything else?
...anything else? ←
14:59:27 <deiu> ...some good news: we published the piece on ACL
...some good news: we published the piece on ACL ←
14:59:39 <deiu> ...and also, all our documents have now been published! yey
...and also, all our documents have now been published! yey ←
14:59:42 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
14:59:45 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
14:59:47 <Zakim> -Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre ←
14:59:47 <azaroth> Thanks! :)
Robert Sanderson: Thanks! :) ←
14:59:48 <deiu> [meeting adjourned]
[meeting adjourned] ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:59:52 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:59:54 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
14:59:55 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
14:59:57 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
15:00:04 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:00:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, +1.617.838.aaaa, Alexandre, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, [IPcaller], nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, +1.617.838.aaaa, Alexandre, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, [IPcaller], nmihindu ←
<deiu> Present: Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, Alexandre, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, bblfish, nmihindu
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