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11:11:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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11:11:43 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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11:11:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
11:11:44 <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2015
11:11:49 <deirdrelee> rrsagent, make logs public
Deirdre Lee: rrsagent, make logs public ←
11:11:52 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_ ←
11:12:17 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: present+ deirdrelee ←
11:12:30 <laufer> present+ laufer
Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer ←
11:13:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni
Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni ←
11:15:09 <antoine> present+ antoine
Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine ←
11:16:47 <phila> Meeting: DWBP F2F day 2
11:16:53 <Makx> present+ makx
Makx Dekkers: present+ makx ←
11:16:54 <phila> Chair: Deirdre
11:17:03 <deirdrelee> scribe: laufer
(Scribe set to Carlos Laufer)
11:17:20 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb
Jeremy Debattista: present+ jerdeb ←
11:17:27 <phila> present+ phila
Phil Archer: present+ phila ←
11:17:40 <laufer> deirdrelee: welcome to the participants
Deirdre Lee: welcome to the participants ←
11:17:58 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
11:18:04 <newtoncalegari> present+ newtoncalegari
Newton Calegari: present+ newtoncalegari ←
11:18:12 <adrianov> present+ adrianov
Adriano Veloso: present+ adrianov ←
11:18:16 <laufer> ... continuing Best practices session
... continuing Best practices session ←
11:18:20 <nandana> present+ nandana
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nandana ←
11:18:23 <Gisele> present+ gisele
Gisele Pappa: present+ giancarlo ←
11:18:25 <antoine> q+ to ask about some removed BP
Antoine Isaac: q+ to ask about some removed BP ←
11:18:37 <laufer> ... phil update the data identification session in the document
... phil update the data identification session in the document ←
11:18:53 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
11:18:53 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask about some removed BP
Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to ask about some removed BP ←
11:19:05 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio ←
11:19:19 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0090.html
Antoine Isaac: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0090.html ←
11:19:26 <laufer> antoine: asking about a question sent by e-mail
Antoine Isaac: asking about a question sent by e-mail ←
11:19:42 <laufer> ... a question about the vocabulary issues
... a question about the vocabulary issues ←
11:20:13 <laufer> ... I see not a great problem but want to discuss some requirements
... I see not a great problem but want to discuss some requirements ←
11:20:24 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
11:20:50 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: we need to make a list of the requirements and maybe we need a section in the end of the documento to define waht requirements are necessary or not
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need to make a list of the requirements and maybe we need a section in the end of the documento to define waht requirements are necessary or not ←
11:21:02 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
11:21:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
11:21:11 <laufer> ... to define what requirements are out of scope of the group
... to define what requirements are out of scope of the group ←
11:21:37 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
11:21:37 <laufer> phila: what we did is to point to other groups
Phil Archer: what we did is to point to other groups ←
11:22:04 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: we have to review the list but if we find a req that is not there what we have to do
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have to review the list but if we find a req that is not there what we have to do ←
11:22:31 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
11:22:34 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
11:22:44 <laufer> deirdrelee: we can maybe just identify what best practices point to the requirements
Deirdre Lee: we can maybe just identify what best practices point to the requirements ←
11:23:25 <laufer> antoine: maybe what we have to do in some cases is just to put some explanation in the document
Antoine Isaac: maybe what we have to do in some cases is just to put some explanation in the document ←
11:23:51 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: what is the best way to do this: a section or a text in the intro
Bernadette Farias Loscio: what is the best way to do this: a section or a text in the intro ←
11:24:54 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
11:24:56 <laufer> deirdrelee: creating a specific action to that
Deirdre Lee: creating a specific action to that ←
11:25:04 <phila> action: Bernadette to tabulate requirements against the BPs that address them
ACTION: Bernadette to tabulate requirements against the BPs that address them ←
11:25:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Tabulate requirements against the bps that address them [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-10-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-205 - Tabulate requirements against the bps that address them [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-10-02]. ←
11:25:40 <laufer> antoine: a comment to the editor that the text was not completely removed form the doc
Antoine Isaac: a comment to the editor that the text was not completely removed form the doc ←
11:26:04 <laufer> deirdrelee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146 ←
11:26:04 <phila> topic: Maturity Levels in the BP Doc
11:26:07 <phila> scribe: laufer
11:26:45 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: talking a bout the maturity level to replace or not the use of the RFC words
Bernadette Farias Loscio: talking a bout the maturity level to replace or not the use of the RFC words ←
11:27:23 <laufer> ... for the maturity model we do not have yet a real proposal but we have some ideas
... for the maturity model we do not have yet a real proposal but we have some ideas ←
11:27:46 <laufer> ... laufer send an initial list of the groups of bps using the words
... laufer send an initial list of the groups of bps using the words ←
11:28:04 <laufer> ... then an idea was raise to define levls for the bps
... then an idea was raise to define levels for the bps ←
11:28:28 <BernadetteLoscio> https://docs.google.com/a/cin.ufpe.br/spreadsheets/d/1IT6IEeyGUY9crIYY9hDQLgdVx4XVzzKYf21N7YQrO5s/edit?usp=sharing
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://docs.google.com/a/cin.ufpe.br/spreadsheets/d/1IT6IEeyGUY9crIYY9hDQLgdVx4XVzzKYf21N7YQrO5s/edit?usp=sharing ←
11:28:30 <laufer> ... I have a other proposal and will put soon a link to that
... I have a other proposal and will put soon a link to that ←
11:28:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> s/levls/levels
11:29:14 <laufer> ... the idea was to identify the main aspects of a dataset
... the idea was to identify the main aspects of a dataset ←
11:29:30 <laufer> ... if the bps are really used what be the result
... if the bps are really used what be the result ←
11:29:46 <laufer> ... I tried to idetify some of these characteristics
... I tried to idetify some of these characteristics ←
11:30:07 <laufer> ... bernadette is describing the document
... bernadette is describing the document ←
11:30:28 <laufer> there is a link between the chatacteristic and the BP
there is a link between the chatacteristic and the BP ←
11:30:33 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
11:30:46 <laufer> ... agregating some meaning to the BP
... agregating some meaning to the BP ←
11:30:48 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
11:31:20 <laufer> if we have levls we do not need to say if one BP is better than othe... r
if we have levls we do not need to say if one BP is better than othe... r ←
11:31:56 <laufer> if I aplly some BP I have for example a level for a characteristic of acessibility
if I aplly some BP I have for example a level for a characteristic of acessibility ←
11:31:58 <phila> q+ to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer
Phil Archer: q+ to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer ←
11:32:14 <laufer> ... one BP coul be associated to more that one characteristic
... one BP coul be associated to more that one characteristic ←
11:32:32 <laufer> ... I want to have a feedback about this first idea
... I want to have a feedback about this first idea ←
11:33:03 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
11:33:03 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer ←
11:33:07 <laufer> ... the second thing is to decide if this enough to evaluate the BP, if this is suficient to replace the RFC keywords
... the second thing is to decide if this enough to evaluate the BP, if this is suficient to replace the RFC keywords ←
11:33:19 <laufer> phila: I like the idea of aspects
Phil Archer: I like the idea of aspects ←
11:34:22 <laufer> ... phil asked vagner if he has a designer and vagner aswered yes
... phil asked vagner if he has a designer and vagner aswered yes ←
11:34:40 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
11:34:50 <laufer> phila: not sure if this idea coul replace the RFC keywords
Phil Archer: not sure if this idea coul replace the RFC keywords ←
11:34:53 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
11:35:01 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
11:35:04 <laufer> deirdrelee: asking if there are other opinios
Deirdre Lee: asking if there are other opinios ←
11:35:13 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
11:35:34 <laufer> antoine: I this is interesting and I am curious of the comparison with the ideas of the quality dimensions
Antoine Isaac: I this is interesting and I am curious of the comparison with the ideas of the quality dimensions ←
11:35:48 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: I was tinking about this yesterday
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I was tinking about this yesterday ←
11:36:09 <laufer> ... I think there is a reelation, I do not know if it is a one to one relation
... I think there is a relation, I do not know if it is a one to one relation ←
11:36:21 <newtoncalegari> s/reelation/relation
11:36:29 <laufer> ... but if I understood correctly we do not have a fixed list of dimension
... but if I understood correctly we do not have a fixed list of dimension ←
11:36:36 <phila> The dimensions from DQV are 7.1 Statistics
Phil Archer: The dimensions from DQV are 7.1 Statistics ←
11:36:36 <phila> 7.2 Availability
Phil Archer: 7.2 Availability ←
11:36:36 <phila> 7.3 Processability
Phil Archer: 7.3 Processability ←
11:36:37 <phila> 7.4 Accuracy
Phil Archer: 7.4 Accuracy ←
11:36:37 <phila> 7.5 Consistency
Phil Archer: 7.5 Consistency ←
11:36:37 <phila> 7.6 Relevance
Phil Archer: 7.6 Relevance ←
11:36:39 <phila> 7.7 Completeness
Phil Archer: 7.7 Completeness ←
11:36:41 <phila> 7.8 Conformance
Phil Archer: 7.8 Conformance ←
11:36:44 <phila> 7.9 Credibility
Phil Archer: 7.9 Credibility ←
11:36:46 <phila> 7.10 Timeliness
Phil Archer: 7.10 Timeliness ←
11:36:58 <laufer> ... we can do the exercise to see the relations between the aspects of quality and the aspects of the BPs
... we can do the exercise to see the relations between the aspects of quality and the aspects of the BPs ←
11:37:09 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
11:37:11 <laufer> q+
q+ ←
11:37:36 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
11:37:37 <laufer> ... I think woul be great to evaluate the BPs
... I think woul be great to evaluate the BPs ←
11:37:51 <laufer> ... I think it is interesting
... I think it is interesting ←
11:38:14 <laufer> deirdrelee: in general I think it is a very good idea to make the document understandable
Deirdre Lee: in general I think it is a very good idea to make the document understandable ←
11:38:34 <laufer> ... it will be a nice way to transmit the idea of what the document is
... it will be a nice way to transmit the idea of what the document is ←
11:38:51 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
11:38:52 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
11:39:23 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
11:39:35 <deirdrelee> laufer: i think it's a good idea, it isn't an instance of a document for the dqv, but what we are defining here is a way to define the quality of publishing, we are defining the dimensions and the things we have in dqv. w
Carlos Laufer: i think it's a good idea, it isn't an instance of a document for the dqv, but what we are defining here is a way to define the quality of publishing, we are defining the dimensions and the things we have in dqv. w [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:39:51 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
11:40:04 <laufer> antoine: reaction to one thing bernadette said
Antoine Isaac: reaction to one thing bernadette said ←
11:40:24 <laufer> ... dimension mayve to annotations too,
... dimension mayve to annotations too, ←
11:40:25 <nandana> +q to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012 ←
11:40:25 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
11:40:50 <deirdrelee> ack nandana
Deirdre Lee: ack nandana ←
11:40:50 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012
Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012 ←
11:41:07 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: just completing what laufer said, is more to evaluate the dataset itself instead of the publishing
Bernadette Farias Loscio: just completing what laufer said, is more to evaluate the dataset itself instead of the publishing ←
11:41:25 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
11:41:30 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
11:41:36 <laufer> nandana: to make a list of comprehensive dimensions
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: to make a list of comprehensive dimensions ←
11:41:40 <phila> q+ to talk about ODI Certs
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about ODI Certs ←
11:41:54 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
11:41:54 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about ODI Certs
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about ODI Certs ←
11:42:02 <phila> -> https://certificates.theodi.org/overview ODI Certs
Phil Archer: -> https://certificates.theodi.org/overview ODI Certs ←
11:42:07 <laufer> phila: this discussion make me to remeber ODI certificates
Phil Archer: this discussion make me to remeber ODI certificates ←
11:42:31 <laufer> ... ODI refers more to the publisher
... ODI refers more to the publisher ←
11:42:41 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
11:42:45 <antoine> phila+1
Antoine Isaac: phila+1 ←
11:42:45 <laufer> we have to look to ODI to complete the list of aspects
we don't have to look to ODI to complete the list of aspects ←
11:43:02 <phila> I don't think we need to try and match our dimensions to the ODI Certs as they measure the publishing process, not the dataset
Phil Archer: I don't think we need to try and match our dimensions to the ODI Certs as they measure the publishing process, not the dataset ←
11:43:04 <Caroline_> s/we have/ we don't have
11:43:16 <laufer> deirdrelee: making a specific proposal to this idea
Deirdre Lee: making a specific proposal to this idea ←
11:43:17 <Caroline_> +1 to phil
Caroline Burle: +1 to phil ←
11:43:58 <deirdrelee> draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP
Deirdre Lee: draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP ←
11:44:05 <laufer> q+
q+ ←
11:44:11 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
11:45:14 <deirdrelee> laufer: for BernadetteLoscio, I agree that quality is about the dataset, but if we say that having a good level of accessibility you need metadata, you're not talking about the dataset, but the publisher
Carlos Laufer: for BernadetteLoscio, I agree that quality is about the dataset, but if we say that having a good level of accessibility you need metadata, you're not talking about the dataset, but the publisher [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:45:26 <deirdrelee> .. it's talking aboutthe way it is being published
Deirdre Lee: .. it's talking aboutthe way it is being published ←
11:45:32 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
11:45:52 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: i understand, but i think in the end what we are going to evaluate is the dataset itself
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i understand, but i think in the end what we are going to evaluate is the dataset itself [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:46:15 <deirdrelee> laufer: but the aspects are related to publishing process
Carlos Laufer: but the aspects are related to publishing process [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:46:25 <deirdrelee> ... its the quality of the publishing
Deirdre Lee: ... its the quality of the publishing ←
11:46:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
11:46:59 <deirdrelee> ... it's the information that can help users to understand the datsaet, parse the datset, etc.
Deirdre Lee: ... it's the information that can help users to understand the datsaet, parse the datset, etc. ←
11:47:25 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
11:48:02 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: the distiction doesn't really matter
Deirdre Lee: the distiction doesn't really matter [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:48:17 <deirdrelee> laufer: a lot of things we don't have to worry about this
Carlos Laufer: a lot of things we don't have to worry about this [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:48:18 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
11:48:48 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: it's not just the quality, it's more than the dataset itself
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's not just the quality, it's more than the dataset itself [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:49:05 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
11:49:06 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: what we expect of the dataset and the things are connected
Bernadette Farias Loscio: what we expect of the dataset and the things are connected ←
11:49:22 <laufer> RiccardoAlbertoni: just to say that I agree with laufer
Riccardo Albertoni: just to say that I agree with laufer ←
11:50:13 <laufer> ... in the BPs we are talking abou the publishing but I also agrre with antoin that probably this metadat information maybe relate dto annotations or other metrics
... in the BPs we are talking abou the publishing but I also agrre with antoin that probably this metadat information maybe relate dto annotations or other metrics ←
11:50:34 <laufer> ...we have to identify this distictions
...we have to identify these distictions ←
11:50:44 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
11:50:49 <laufer> s/this/these/
11:50:57 <laufer> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: some comments
Giancarlo Guizzardi: some comments ←
11:51:38 <laufer> ... if we asy that you are talking about the metadata about the dataset we have to establish a connection between the metadata and the dataset
... if we asy that you are talking about the metadata about the dataset we have to establish a connection between the metadata and the dataset ←
11:52:05 <deirdrelee> draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP
Deirdre Lee: draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP ←
11:52:10 <laufer> ... I annot see how to avoid the rlation between the metadata and the dtaset itself
... I annot see how to avoid the rlation between the metadata and the dtaset itself ←
11:52:23 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP
PROPOSED: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP ←
11:52:42 <yaso> -1
Yaso Córdova: -1 ←
11:52:49 <Makx> -1
Makx Dekkers: -1 ←
11:53:10 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
11:53:20 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Yes. the quality of the metadata influences our appreciation of the quality of the data (e.g., the dataset should be described using SHAREABLE metadata)
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Yes. the quality of the metadata influences our appreciation of the quality of the data (e.g., the dataset should be described using SHAREABLE metadata) ←
11:53:37 <Makx> I had the same question as Phil
Makx Dekkers: I had the same question as Phil ←
11:53:56 <Makx> Benefit is in the why
Makx Dekkers: Benefit is in the why ←
11:54:14 <laufer> yaso: I think that finding a benefit is very personal, could be money you do not waste
Yaso Córdova: I think that finding a benefit is very personal, could be money you do not waste ←
11:54:30 <laufer> how we can identify that
how we can identify that ←
11:54:51 <laufer> ... I do not think is necessary
... I do not think is necessary ←
11:54:58 <laufer> q+
q+ ←
11:55:03 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
11:55:05 <phila> q+ to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon
Phil Archer: q+ to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon ←
11:55:24 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
11:55:47 <laufer> deirdrelee: phil said the why section is pointing the reason
Deirdre Lee: phil said the why section is pointing the reason ←
11:56:21 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: I think why is more descriptive and is different
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think why is more descriptive and is different ←
11:56:54 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: I think is more general
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think is more general ←
11:57:04 <Caroline_> scribe: Caroline_
(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)
11:57:19 <Caroline_> laufer: we can list some of the reasons to use the BPs
Carlos Laufer: we can list some of the reasons to use the BPs ←
11:57:31 <Caroline_> ... some aspects are technical
... some aspects are technical ←
11:58:25 <Caroline_> ... we can list the tech aspects
... we can list the tech aspects ←
11:58:36 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
11:58:38 <Caroline_> ... it is parcible
... it is parsable ←
11:58:41 <Caroline_> scribe: laufer
(Scribe set to Carlos Laufer)
11:58:42 <deirdrelee> ack yaso
Deirdre Lee: ack yaso ←
11:58:51 <phila> s/parcible/parsable/
11:58:56 <laufer> q+
q+ ←
11:58:57 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
11:59:04 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
11:59:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
11:59:09 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon ←
11:59:39 <laufer> phila: Why I think is not right, we have the why section and the inteded outcome
Phil Archer: Why I think is not right, we have the why section and the inteded outcome ←
12:00:10 <laufer> ... I do not want to change that, I think is useful to read the document
... I do not want to change that, I think is useful to read the document ←
12:00:31 <laufer> my problem with the proposal is in how it was written
my problem with the proposal is in how it was written ←
12:00:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
12:01:20 <phila> ack de
Phil Archer: ack de ←
12:01:33 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
12:02:23 <laufer> deirdrelee: if we add this idea, to be careful to not exclude other things
Deirdre Lee: if we add this idea, to be careful to not exclude other things ←
12:02:25 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
12:03:11 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:04:43 <laufer> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: it is not the case that all tjhe people will address all the bps all the time
Giancarlo Guizzardi: it is not the case that all the people will address all the bps all the time ←
12:05:09 <laufer> is a way to a criteria to use the bps
is a way to a criteria to use the bps ←
12:05:33 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
12:05:37 <deirdrelee> ack yaso
Deirdre Lee: ack yaso ←
12:06:07 <laufer> yaso: whan I said the document is huge, I do not nedd a benefict section
Yaso Córdova: whan I said the document is huge, I do not nedd a benefict section ←
12:06:31 <laufer> ...I like to first read the exmapls and then read the text
...I like to first read the exmapls and then read the text ←
12:06:57 <laufer> so just to say that sometimes is better to be simple
so just to say that sometimes is better to be simple ←
12:07:31 <laufer> ... I thinks we have examples in the document that can clarify these same idea of the aspects
... I thinks we have examples in the document that can clarify these same idea of the aspects ←
12:07:51 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:08:17 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: we are aware that we need more examples
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are aware that we need more examples ←
12:08:32 <newtoncalegari> s/tjhe/the
12:08:34 <laufer> ... phil said what I was in my mind
... phil said what I was in my mind ←
12:09:13 <laufer> I think for now we shoul keep the why and have a proposal for the classification and we see that this thins is a complementary thing or if it is redundanct
I think for now we should keep the why and have a proposal for the classification and we see that this thing is a complementary thing or if it is redundanct ←
12:09:14 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:09:23 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
12:09:36 <newtoncalegari> s/shoul keep/should keep
12:09:44 <laufer> deirdrelee: le´s go back to the proposal
Deirdre Lee: le´s go back to the proposal ←
12:10:00 <newtoncalegari> s/thins/thing
12:10:15 <phila> PROPOSED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)
PROPOSED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s) ←
12:11:10 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
12:11:14 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
12:11:19 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
12:11:20 <laufer> +1
+1 ←
12:11:21 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:11:22 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:11:25 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
12:11:29 <jerdeb> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
12:11:30 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
12:11:34 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
12:11:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:11:53 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:12:07 <antoine> laufer: not sure the proposal is clear about the icons
Carlos Laufer: not sure the proposal is clear about the icons [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
12:12:13 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
12:12:13 <antoine> scribenick: antoine
(Scribe set to Antoine Isaac)
12:12:37 <antoine> +1
+1 ←
12:12:38 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
12:12:45 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:12:46 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
12:12:46 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:12:48 <phila> RESOLVED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)
RESOLVED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s) ←
12:12:55 <phila> RESOLUTION: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)
RESOLVED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s) ←
12:13:18 <antoine> deirdrelee: in the past months we've talked about maturity level
Deirdre Lee: in the past months we've talked about maturity level ←
12:13:20 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
12:13:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
12:13:27 <antoine> ... do the aspects replace the maturity levels?
... do the aspects replace the maturity levels? ←
12:13:37 <antoine> ... or are we keeping them as a separate idea?
... or are we keeping them as a separate idea? ←
12:13:57 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: annette has seen the discussion
Bernadette Farias Loscio: annette has seen the discussion ←
12:14:10 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
12:14:15 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
12:14:15 <antoine> ... we were not clear how to describe the maturity levels
... we were not clear how to describe the maturity levels ←
12:14:26 <antoine> ... levels for publisher, dataset, process...
... levels for publisher, dataset, process... ←
12:14:38 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
12:14:49 <antoine> ... there's a bit about it in the proposal above
... there's a bit about it in the proposal above ←
12:14:54 <antoine> ... but it's not clear to me
... but it's not clear to me ←
12:14:55 <antoine> yaso
yaso ←
12:15:03 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
12:15:29 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if you think of quality measure the name should be different (?)
Giancarlo Guizzardi: if you think of quality measure the name should be different (?) ←
12:15:45 <antoine> ... maturity gives the idea of something one can always do
... maturity gives the idea of something one can always do ←
12:15:48 <deirdrelee> ack yaso
Deirdre Lee: ack yaso ←
12:15:51 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0037.html
Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0037.html ←
12:16:20 <antoine> yaso: I was reading the thread
Yaso Córdova: I was reading the thread ←
12:16:33 <antoine> ... with laufer's proposal on MUST/SHOULD
... with laufer's proposal on MUST/SHOULD ←
12:16:41 <antoine> ... we have to find some way to stick to this
... we have to find some way to stick to this ←
12:16:47 <antoine> ... to substitute the RFC
... to substitute the RFC ←
12:16:51 <antoine> ... keywords
... keywords ←
12:16:55 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Ontologically Speaking, maturity sounds to me like a disposition to behave producing something with a certain quality. It does not make much sense to use to refer to an intrinsic characteristic of a product (the dataset)
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Ontologically Speaking, maturity sounds to me like a disposition to behave producing something with a certain quality. It does not make much sense to use to refer to an intrinsic characteristic of a product (the dataset) ←
12:17:03 <antoine> ... It's becoming bigger than it needs to be
... It's becoming bigger than it needs to be ←
12:17:15 <antoine> deirdrelee: does the thread address this?
Deirdre Lee: does the thread address this? ←
12:17:37 <deirdrelee> issue-146
12:17:37 <trackbot> issue-146 -- Which section of a BP should be normative? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-146 -- Which section of a BP should be normative? -- open ←
12:17:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146 ←
12:17:55 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we agree to use RFC keywords
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we agree to use RFC keywords ←
12:18:13 <antoine> ... but I'm afraid we are not using it in the proper way
... but I'm afraid we are not using it in the proper way ←
12:18:48 <antoine> ... I'd like to know if the way we currently use them is ok
... I'd like to know if the way we currently use them is ok ←
12:18:54 <antoine> ... or if we need to change
... or if we need to change ←
12:19:03 <antoine> ... (about the titles of BPs)
... (about the titles of BPs) ←
12:19:24 <antoine> ... Annette doesn't agree with the use of keywords
... Annette doesn't agree with the use of keywords ←
12:19:28 <antoine> ... they are for systems
... they are for systems ←
12:19:46 <phila> q+ to express ambivalence
Phil Archer: q+ to express ambivalence ←
12:19:59 <antoine> ... We need a resolution
... We need a resolution ←
12:20:07 <antoine> ... from the group
... from the group ←
12:21:12 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04 ←
12:21:52 <phila> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0119.html Annette's e-mail on this topic
Phil Archer: -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0119.html Annette's e-mail on this topic ←
12:22:04 <antoine> deirdrelee: the discussion was on SHOULD and MUST but there are other keywords (MAY etc)
Deirdre Lee: the discussion was on SHOULD and MUST but there are other keywords (MAY etc) ←
12:22:06 <BernadetteLoscio> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0077.html
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0077.html ←
12:22:10 <antoine> ... laufer wanted to check this
... laufer wanted to check this ←
12:22:22 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:22:54 <antoine> phila: I don't entirely mind
Phil Archer: I don't entirely mind ←
12:23:08 <antoine> ... looking at other W3C BPs, none of them use RFC keywords
... looking at other W3C BPs, none of them use RFC keywords ←
12:23:29 <antoine> ... we would be unusual
... we would be unusual ←
12:23:39 <antoine> ... Hadley would probably want to keep them
... Hadley would probably want to keep them ←
12:23:46 <antoine> ... because it's a recommendation
... because it's a recommendation ←
12:23:56 <antoine> ... it's supposed to make statements about what to do
... it's supposed to make statements about what to do ←
12:24:05 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:24:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
12:24:09 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to express ambivalence
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to express ambivalence ←
12:24:14 <antoine> ... Maybe introducing the aspects would alleviate her concerns
... Maybe introducing the aspects would alleviate her concerns ←
12:24:25 <newtoncalegari> q+ to ask the difference between spec and rec?
Newton Calegari: q+ to ask the difference between spec and rec? ←
12:24:36 <antoine> deirdrelee: noone else does it for BP but they do it for other docs
Deirdre Lee: noone else does it for BP but they do it for other docs ←
12:24:48 <antoine> phila: yes as annette says it happens for specifying software
Phil Archer: yes as annette says it happens for specifying software ←
12:25:00 <antoine> ... But we don't have stric PASS/FAIL tests
... But we don't have sstrict PASS/FAIL tests ←
12:25:06 <antoine> s/tric/strict
12:25:27 <antoine> ... NobileWeb lists all kind of machine tests
... MobileWeb lists all kind of machine tests ←
12:25:28 <deirdrelee> Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead will create our own levels/maturity-model
Deirdre Lee: Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead will create our own levels/maturity-model ←
12:25:36 <newtoncalegari> q-
Newton Calegari: q- ←
12:25:36 <antoine> s/NobileWeb/MobileWeb
12:25:56 <antoine> phila: but even MobileWeb don't have RDF keywords
Phil Archer: but even MobileWeb don't have RDF keywords ←
12:26:20 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
12:26:24 <antoine> deirdrelee: is it ok if we replace 'levels' by 'aspects' in the proposal?
Deirdre Lee: is it ok if we replace 'levels' by 'aspects' in the proposal? ←
12:26:43 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we will work on the aspects and hope they can be used with the same results
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we will work on the aspects and hope they can be used with the same results ←
12:26:44 <antoine> q+
q+ ←
12:26:51 <deirdrelee> Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead use aspects icons
Deirdre Lee: Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead use aspects icons ←
12:27:51 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
12:28:48 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
12:28:49 <nandana> +1 to antoine. I think they cover two different things.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to antoine. I think they cover two different things. ←
12:29:08 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:29:38 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
12:29:51 <phila> +1 to Antoine
Phil Archer: +1 to Antoine ←
12:30:25 <nandana> +q to say within the dimension there could be levels
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to say within the dimension there could be levels ←
12:30:49 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:30:49 <nandana> antoine++
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: antoine++ ←
12:31:46 <laufer> q-
Carlos Laufer: q- ←
12:31:55 <phila> +1 to antoine (again)
Phil Archer: +1 to antoine (again) ←
12:31:59 <antoine> antoine: levels have the same function as keywords
Antoine Isaac: levels have the same function as keywords ←
12:32:07 <antoine> ... aspects have a different function
... aspects have a different function ←
12:32:25 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:32:28 <antoine> ... working on aspects is good (probably better) but it won't replace the levels/keywords
... working on aspects is good (probably better) but it won't replace the levels/keywords ←
12:32:29 <deirdrelee> ack nandana
Deirdre Lee: ack nandana ←
12:32:29 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to say within the dimension there could be levels
Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to say within the dimension there could be levels ←
12:32:33 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: agree
Bernadette Farias Loscio: agree ←
12:32:37 <antoine> nandana: same thing
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: same thing ←
12:32:50 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:33:01 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
12:33:07 <antoine> laufer: the question was about how to use MUST
Carlos Laufer: the question was about how to use MUST ←
12:33:27 <antoine> ... if we have a recommendation with a list of MUST
... if we have a recommendation with a list of MUST ←
12:33:34 <nandana> antoine, no probs. You said everything I wanted to say already.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: antoine, no probs. You said everything I wanted to say already. ←
12:33:41 <antoine> ... and someone publsihes data that doesn't conform to one
... and someone publsihes data that doesn't conform to one ←
12:33:47 <antoine> ... what does it mean?
... what does it mean? ←
12:33:58 <antoine> ... It's a same as the ODI certificated
... It's a same as the ODI certificates ←
12:34:19 <antoine> s/certificated/certificates
12:34:21 <antoine> q+
q+ ←
12:34:23 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
12:34:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
12:34:37 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
12:34:50 <newtoncalegari> q-
Newton Calegari: q- ←
12:34:59 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
12:35:14 <antoine> laufer: we can't forbid data to be published that doesn't comply with the practice
Carlos Laufer: we can't forbid data to be published that doesn't comply with the practice ←
12:35:30 <antoine> antoine: RFC gives a clear compliance criteron
Antoine Isaac: RFC gives a clear compliance criteron ←
12:35:50 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: recommendations would carry different weight
Giancarlo Guizzardi: recommendations would carry different weight ←
12:35:59 <antoine> ... maybe in relation to the aspects.
... maybe in relation to the aspects. ←
12:36:16 <antoine> ... oOne BP has a MUST for one aspect and a SHOULD for another aspect
... One BP has a MUST for one aspect and a SHOULD for another aspect ←
12:36:23 <antoine> s/oOne/One
12:36:33 <antoine> ... I like the idea of design space
... I like the idea of design space ←
12:36:43 <antoine> ... things are not one-dimensional
... things are not one-dimensional ←
12:36:54 <antoine> ... people could comply to one aspect and not another
... people could comply to one aspect and not another ←
12:37:06 <antoine> ... so we'd have to relate the sue of keywords to aspects
... so we'd have to relate the sue of keywords to aspects ←
12:37:09 <phila> PROPOSED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc
PROPOSED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc ←
12:37:11 <antoine> ... and that's complicated
... and that's complicated ←
12:37:13 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
12:37:15 <yaso> ]+1
Yaso Córdova: ]+1 ←
12:37:17 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
12:37:20 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:37:20 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
12:37:21 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
12:37:21 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
12:37:21 <antoine> +1
+1 ←
12:37:30 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
12:37:32 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:37:34 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
12:37:38 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
12:37:38 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:37:39 <jerdeb> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
12:37:40 <phila> Mr Bradner is upset
Phil Archer: Mr Bradner is upset ←
12:37:52 <phila> RESOLVED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc
RESOLVED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc ←
12:38:06 <phila> RESOLUTION: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc
RESOLVED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc ←
12:38:23 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
12:38:31 <phila> close issue-146
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-146 ←
12:38:31 <trackbot> Closed issue-146.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-146. ←
12:38:38 <phila> close action-197
Phil Archer: close ACTION-197 ←
12:38:38 <trackbot> Closed action-197.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-197. ←
12:39:02 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari
Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari ←
12:39:29 <antoine> newtoncalegari: should we remove the words altogether?
Newton Calegari: should we remove the words altogether? ←
12:39:40 <antoine> deirdrelee: it's not the word just the capitalization
Deirdre Lee: it's not the word just the capitalization ←
12:39:48 <antoine> phila: be careful with what reSpec does
Phil Archer: be careful with what reSpec does ←
12:40:01 <deirdrelee> topic: Discuss the inclusion of a context section (20 min.)
12:40:28 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: there was a lot of discussion about data formats
Bernadette Farias Loscio: there was a lot of discussion about data formats ←
12:40:59 <Caroline_> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Caroline Burle: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
12:41:06 <deirdrelee> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#context
Deirdre Lee: //w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#context ←
12:41:21 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: I have tried to explain what is a dataset
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I have tried to explain what is a dataset ←
12:41:50 <antoine> ... yaso says the doc is huge: is it a good idea to include more?
... yaso says the doc is huge: is it a good idea to include more? ←
12:42:05 <Caroline_> s/http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning/http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#context
12:42:07 <antoine> ... it seemed a good idea to make it more precise what our context is
... it seemed a good idea to make it more precise what our context is ←
12:42:20 <antoine> ... i.e what we mean when we put data on the web.
... i.e what we mean when we put data on the web. ←
12:42:30 <antoine> ... there are additional things - metadata.
... there are additional things - metadata. ←
12:42:44 <antoine> ... We have values, and a set of metadata
... We have values, and a set of metadata ←
12:43:07 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:43:15 <antoine> ... we are based on web principles
... we are based on web principles ←
12:43:46 <antoine> deirdrelee: you're asking feedback on the text or diagram?
Deirdre Lee: you're asking feedback on the text or diagram? ←
12:43:58 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: ont he text, maybe there is redundance with the intro
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ont he text, maybe there is redundance with the intro ←
12:44:05 <antoine> ... it needs to be reviewed
... it needs to be reviewed ←
12:44:16 <antoine> ... Steve gave feedback.
... Steve gave feedback. ←
12:44:37 <antoine> ... Most important point: do we agree about giving meaning to what we talk about?
... Most important point: do we agree about giving meaning to what we talk about? ←
12:44:56 <antoine> ... cf comments on the web principles by eric XX
... cf comments on the web principles by eric XX ←
12:45:30 <antoine> deirdrelee: anything visual is helpful
Deirdre Lee: anything visual is helpful ←
12:45:41 <phila> s/xx/Wilde/
Phil Archer: s/xx/Wilde/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
12:46:01 <antoine> ... we have to be careful about the meaning of things in the diagram
... we have to be careful about the meaning of things in the diagram ←
12:46:09 <antoine> ... the general idea about giving context is nice
... the general idea about giving context is nice ←
12:46:26 <antoine> ... I had specific concerns abou the distinctions between metadata, info etc
... I had specific concerns abou the distinctions between metadata, info etc ←
12:46:32 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:46:46 <antoine> phila: I'm happy
Phil Archer: I'm happy ←
12:46:56 <antoine> ... this document makes a big effort on readability
... this document makes a big effort on readability ←
12:47:02 <antoine> ... diagrams are useful
... diagrams are useful ←
12:47:38 <antoine> deirdrelee: we can review it in the next week, once we agree with the general idea.
Deirdre Lee: we can review it in the next week, once we agree with the general idea. ←
12:47:40 <phila> PROPOSED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)
PROPOSED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review) ←
12:47:47 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:47:49 <antoine> +1
+1 ←
12:47:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:47:50 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
12:47:55 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
12:48:00 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:48:00 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
12:48:09 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:48:10 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
12:48:44 <phila> RESOLVED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)
RESOLVED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review) ←
12:48:48 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:48:53 <phila> RESOLUTION: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)
RESOLVED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review) ←
12:48:59 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: 'Aspect' is a bad word
Giancarlo Guizzardi: 'Aspect' is a bad word ←
12:49:05 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
12:49:09 <deirdrelee> +1 to Gisele
Deirdre Lee: +1 to Gisele ←
12:49:19 <antoine> ... I would use either quality dimension or crtieria
... I would use either quality dimension or crtieria ←
12:49:22 <deirdrelee> s/gisele/giancarlo
12:50:08 <antoine> deirdrelee: maybe we don't have to use the word at all
Deirdre Lee: maybe we don't have to use the word at all ←
12:50:17 <antoine> phila: we are using many words
Phil Archer: we are using many words ←
12:50:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to don't use the word at all .. :)
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to don't use the word at all .. :) ←
12:50:36 <antoine> deirdrelee: if we keep a connection with DQV then it makes sense to use dimension
Deirdre Lee: if we keep a connection with DQV then it makes sense to use dimension ←
12:50:40 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP ←
12:50:56 <deirdrelee> topic: Discuss the glossary creation (should be a section or another document) and resolve open issues/actions (20 min.)
12:51:02 <phila> Topic: The Glossary
12:51:11 <phila> action-148?
12:51:11 <trackbot> action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN ←
12:51:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148 ←
12:51:24 <phila> action-154?
12:51:25 <trackbot> action-154 -- Yaso Córdova to Add the definitions of dataset, vocabulary and metadata in the glossary, noting that the boundaries are not always distinct (or helpful). -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-154 -- Yaso Córdova to Add the definitions of dataset, vocabulary and metadata in the glossary, noting that the boundaries are not always distinct (or helpful). -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN ←
12:51:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/154
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/154 ←
12:51:32 <phila> action-159?
12:51:32 <trackbot> action-159 -- Christophe Gueret to Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-159 -- Christophe Gueret to Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN ←
12:51:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/159
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/159 ←
12:51:39 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: is it going to be a separate doc? A note?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: is it going to be a separate doc? A note? ←
12:51:43 <phila> action-174?
12:51:43 <trackbot> action-174 -- Ig Ibert Bittencourt Santana Pinto to Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-174 -- Ig Ibert Bittencourt Santana Pinto to Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN ←
12:51:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/174
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/174 ←
12:51:57 <antoine> ... we have a lot of stuff
... we have a lot of stuff ←
12:52:04 <antoine> ... we need to check how we are going to do this
... we need to check how we are going to do this ←
12:52:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Could you provide a link to the glossary ?
Riccardo Albertoni: Could you provide a link to the glossary ? ←
12:52:30 <antoine> yaso: we already decided it was going to be a separate doc
Yaso Córdova: we already decided it was going to be a separate doc ←
12:52:53 <antoine> yaso: it's on github
Yaso Córdova: it's on github ←
12:53:13 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:53:18 <yaso> https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html
Yaso Córdova: https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html ←
12:53:34 <yaso> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp
Yaso Córdova: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp ←
12:53:52 <antoine> ... I have 2/3 actions on adding definitions there
... I have 2/3 actions on adding definitions there ←
12:53:59 <antoine> ... standard, dataset, vocabulary, metadata
... standard, dataset, vocabulary, metadata ←
12:54:13 <antoine> ... Ig also had an action to define citation, data producer, publisher...
... Ig also had an action to define citation, data producer, publisher... ←
12:54:28 <antoine> ... christophe already made his changes
... christophe already made his changes ←
12:54:51 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: it should be published next to the next BP draft
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it should be published next to the next BP draft ←
12:54:54 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
12:54:56 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
12:55:00 <antoine> yaso: yes
Yaso Córdova: yes ←
12:55:17 <antoine> ... but I can't find the decision
... but I can't find the decision ←
12:55:24 <antoine> ... these actions should be closed
... these actions should be closed ←
12:55:41 <antoine> ... we have to review the definitions
... we have to review the definitions ←
12:55:42 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:55:46 <phila> Notes that action-174 has been completed
Phil Archer: Notes that ACTION-174 has been completed ←
12:55:59 <phila> Also action 159 has been completed
Phil Archer: Also ACTION-159 has been completed ←
12:56:02 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: the work on glossary needs to be done in parallel with the BP doc
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the work on glossary needs to be done in parallel with the BP doc ←
12:56:18 <antoine> q+
q+ ←
12:56:33 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
12:56:43 <antoine> phila: how many more defintions are expected to be added?
Phil Archer: how many more defintions are expected to be added? ←
12:56:54 <antoine> ... Not very many, probably
... Not very many, probably ←
12:57:05 <yaso> +1 to phila
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila ←
12:57:05 <antoine> ... If it's nearly complete, it can be an annex of the BP doc
... If it's nearly complete, it can be an annex of the BP doc ←
12:57:17 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
12:57:29 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari
Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari ←
12:57:31 <antoine> ... this would make it easy
... this would make it easy ←
12:57:48 <antoine> newtoncalegari: if it's a separate we'll have the same problem as the enrichment doc
Newton Calegari: if it's a separate we'll have the same problem as the enrichment doc ←
12:58:01 <antoine> phila: if there's a lot of terms then it makes sense to be separate
Phil Archer: if there's a lot of terms then it makes sense to be separate ←
12:58:27 <antoine> ... yaso said we decided to publish separately
... yaso said we decided to publish separately ←
12:58:32 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
12:58:37 <yaso> I agree that it can be with the document
Yaso Córdova: I agree that it can be with the document ←
12:59:06 <phila> antoine: If the glossary exists, we can move some of the text from the main document
Antoine Isaac: If the glossary exists, we can move some of the text from the main document [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
12:59:37 <antoine> phila: but I don't think we need to publish separately
Phil Archer: but I don't think we need to publish separately ←
12:59:50 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:59:55 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we can check if there are definitions that are in both glossary and main text
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can check if there are definitions that are in both glossary and main text ←
13:00:12 <antoine> ... For the next draft we can move the definitions in the main draft and then review.
... For the next draft we can move the definitions in the main draft and then review. ←
13:00:30 <antoine> ... Also judge (seeing the size) if it needs to be a separate note
... Also judge (seeing the size) if it needs to be a separate note ←
13:00:46 <antoine> laufer: has the glossary got terms from the BP doc or the vocs as well?
Carlos Laufer: has the glossary got terms from the BP doc or the vocs as well? ←
13:01:02 <antoine> ... if we have terms from DUV/DQV then we need separate docs
... if we have terms from DUV/DQV then we need separate docs ←
13:01:09 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: it's just for the BP
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's just for the BP ←
13:01:31 <antoine> yaso: it's small
Caroline Burle: it's small ←
13:01:59 <antoine> q+
q+ ←
13:02:04 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:02:06 <newtoncalegari> s/yaso: it's small/Caroline_: it's small
13:02:15 <phila> PROPOSAL: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex
PROPOSED: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex ←
13:02:24 <antoine> +1
+1 ←
13:02:26 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:02:29 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:02:31 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:02:31 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:02:33 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
13:02:35 <phila> antoine: I can easily point from the DQV to the BP doc terms if needed
Antoine Isaac: I can easily point from the DQV to the BP doc terms if needed [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:02:37 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:02:45 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:02:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:03:08 <phila> action: calegari to incorporate the glossary in the BP document
ACTION: calegari to incorporate the glossary in the BP document ←
13:03:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Incorporate the glossary in the bp document [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-10-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-206 - Incorporate the glossary in the bp document [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-10-02]. ←
13:03:12 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex
RESOLVED: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex ←
13:03:35 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
13:03:35 <antoine> phila: yaso have you used specific markup?
Phil Archer: yaso have you used specific markup? ←
13:03:36 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:03:38 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:03:39 <antoine> yaso: I did
Yaso Córdova: I did ←
13:03:41 <antoine> q-
q- ←
13:03:45 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari
Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari ←
13:04:06 <PeterWinstanley> q+
Peter Winstanley: q+ ←
13:04:27 <newtoncalegari> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers
Newton Calegari: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers ←
13:04:32 <antoine> newtoncalegari: I;ve merged a few changed int he data identification section.
Newton Calegari: I;ve merged a few changed int he data identification section. ←
13:05:13 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley
Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley ←
13:05:42 <antoine> phila: action 148 is not clear
Phil Archer: ACTION-148 is not done ←
13:05:54 <newtoncalegari> action-148
13:05:54 <trackbot> action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN ←
13:05:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148 ←
13:05:54 <antoine> s/clear/done
13:05:59 <phila> close action-154
Phil Archer: close ACTION-154 ←
13:05:59 <trackbot> Closed action-154.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-154. ←
13:06:06 <phila> close action-159
Phil Archer: close ACTION-159 ←
13:06:06 <trackbot> Closed action-159.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-159. ←
13:06:11 <phila> close action-174
Phil Archer: close ACTION-174 ←
13:06:11 <trackbot> Closed action-174.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-174. ←
13:06:41 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
13:06:41 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: I'd like to discuss the previous topic (?)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like to discuss the previous topic (?) ←
13:06:54 <antoine> ... related to Eric Wilde's message - hyperlinks etc
... related to Eric Wilde's message - hyperlinks etc ←
13:07:06 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:07:12 <antoine> ... I've answered his message and we had a lot of discussion
... I've answered his message and we had a lot of discussion ←
13:07:19 <antoine> ... but I don't know how to handle this
... but I don't know how to handle this ←
13:07:27 <antoine> ... should we had a best practice on this?
... should we had a best practice on this? ←
13:07:38 <antoine> ... (ie on links between resources and datasets)
... (ie on links between resources and datasets) ←
13:08:13 <adrianov> scribe: adrianov
(Scribe set to Adriano Veloso)
13:08:16 <antoine> scribenick: adrianov
13:08:45 <adrianov> yaso: should wait for annette for discussing other BP issues
Yaso Córdova: should wait for annette for discussing other BP issues ←
13:09:02 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: I am not thinking about the APIs
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I am not thinking about the APIs ←
13:09:45 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Aug/0003.html
Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Aug/0003.html ←
13:09:57 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: It is just to have an idea on how to handle this (API discussion)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is just to have an idea on how to handle this (API discussion) ←
13:10:03 <phila> q+ to make a proposal
Phil Archer: q+ to make a proposal ←
13:10:11 <deirdrelee> ACK yaso
Deirdre Lee: ACK yaso ←
13:10:13 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:10:13 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a proposal
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a proposal ←
13:10:17 <adrianov> yaso: this is not a simple issue, and demands more time for discussion
Yaso Córdova: this is not a simple issue, and demands more time for discussion ←
13:11:54 <adrianov> phila: a possible proposal is considering changing the name of the document
Phil Archer: a possible proposal is considering changing the name of the document ←
13:12:08 <adrianov> ... publishing data on the web
... publishing data on the web ←
13:12:34 <adrianov> phila: we need someway to be confortable on not talking about some things
Phil Archer: we need someway to be confortable on not talking about some things ←
13:13:03 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:13:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:14:14 <phila> present+ PeterWinstanley
Phil Archer: present+ PeterWinstanley ←
13:16:04 <Sumit_Purohit_> present+ Sumit_Purohit_
Sumit Purohit: present+ Sumit_Purohit_ ←
13:20:11 <Sumit_Purohit_> someone has to use photoshop and add me in that pic :-)
Sumit Purohit: someone has to use photoshop and add me in that pic :-) ←
13:26:10 <vagner> q?
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13:26:36 <vagner> d:)
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13:30:00 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:30:20 <annette_g> present+ annette_g
Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g ←
13:31:54 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: the last topic is timetable and there is one open issue which is data enrichment
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the last topic is timetable and there is one open issue which is data enrichment ←
13:32:06 <adrianov> ... there is an open issue raised by annette
... there is an open issue raised by annette ←
13:32:20 <adrianov> ... then we can move to timetable and next steps
... then we can move to timetable and next steps ←
13:32:52 <deirdrelee> issue-196
13:32:52 <trackbot> issue-196 -- Data enrichment -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-196 -- Data enrichment -- open ←
13:32:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/196
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/196 ←
13:33:02 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: issue to be discussed now is 196
Bernadette Farias Loscio: issue to be discussed now is 196 ←
13:33:33 <adrianov> ... it is important to remember that data enrichment is gonna to be in a separate note, as a member submission
... it is important to remember that data enrichment is gonna to be in a separate note, as a member submission ←
13:34:00 <Caroline_> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
13:34:11 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
13:34:12 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline_ ←
13:34:15 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ W3C Member Submissions
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ W3C Member Submissions ←
13:34:30 <adrianov> Caroline_: will we keep this on the BP?
Caroline Burle: will we keep this on the BP? ←
13:34:30 <deirdrelee> ack yaso
Deirdre Lee: ack yaso ←
13:34:50 <Gisele> q+
Gisele Pappa: q+ ←
13:35:00 <adrianov> yaso: write some use cases about data enrichment, and separate two challenges to be also discussed
Yaso Córdova: write some use cases about data enrichment, and separate two challenges to be also discussed ←
13:35:01 <Caroline_> ack Caroline_
Caroline Burle: ack Caroline_ ←
13:35:07 <Caroline_> ack yaso
Caroline Burle: ack yaso ←
13:35:28 <adrianov> ... data enrichment is a common procedure which also appears in Web data
... data enrichment is a common procedure which also appears in Web data ←
13:35:32 <deirdrelee> ack Gisele
Deirdre Lee: ack Gisele ←
13:35:39 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:35:56 <adrianov> Gisele: we looked at the document and we have five challenges and use cases
Gisele Pappa: we looked at the document and we have five challenges and use cases ←
13:36:11 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
13:36:36 <adrianov> annette_g: data enrichment is not only on data but also on metadata
Annette Greiner: data enrichment is not only on data but also on metadata ←
13:36:59 <adrianov> phila: close the issue and open an action
Phil Archer: close the issue and open an action ←
13:37:04 <phila> close issue-196
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-196 ←
13:37:04 <trackbot> Closed issue-196.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-196. ←
13:37:12 <adrianov> ... action for gisele
... action for gisele ←
13:37:36 <phila> action: Gisele to modify the Data Enrichment Best Practice to cover data as well as metadata
ACTION: Gisele to modify the Data Enrichment Best Practice to cover data as well as metadata ←
13:37:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Modify the data enrichment best practice to cover data as well as metadata [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-10-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-207 - Modify the data enrichment best practice to cover data as well as metadata [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-10-02]. ←
13:37:41 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: we should start the discussion about the next steps and timetable
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should start the discussion about the next steps and timetable ←
13:37:44 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:37:45 <Caroline_> Discuss the DWBP timetable and the next steps
Caroline Burle: Discuss the DWBP timetable and the next steps ←
13:37:53 <Caroline_> What should be done to improve the document?
Caroline Burle: What should be done to improve the document? ←
13:37:54 <adrianov> ... we are unsure about the dates
... we are unsure about the dates ←
13:38:03 <Caroline_> Get ideas for the implementation phase
Caroline Burle: Get ideas for the implementation phase ←
13:38:12 <adrianov> ... a first draft should be finished about the next month
... a first draft should be finished about the next month ←
13:38:20 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:38:31 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:39:01 <deirdrelee> bp timetable: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft
Deirdre Lee: bp timetable: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft ←
13:39:21 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
13:39:37 <adrianov> annette_g: I have a proposal for erick raised by issues
Annette Greiner: I have a proposal for erick raised by issues ←
13:40:12 <yaso> +1 to annette_g
Yaso Córdova: +1 to annette_g ←
13:40:35 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: could you right or send message about your proposal?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: could you right or send message about your proposal? ←
13:40:38 <adrianov> annette_g: sure
Annette Greiner: sure ←
13:40:39 <Caroline_> Long term timetable https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview
Caroline Burle: Long term timetable https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview ←
13:40:42 <phila> annette_g: I've written some draft BPs on linkable data that I hope address some of what Erik Wilde was raising and I'll discuss them with him
Annette Greiner: I've written some draft BPs on linkable data that I hope address some of what Erik Wilde was raising and I'll discuss them with him [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:41:32 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: we would like to review dates and procedures
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we would like to review dates and procedures ←
13:41:55 <adrianov> ... discuss next steps and how to get feedback
... discuss next steps and how to get feedback ←
13:42:26 <adrianov> deirdrelee: lets look to timetable now
Deirdre Lee: lets look to timetable now ←
13:42:46 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: our proposal is to publish the next draft around 25th october
Bernadette Farias Loscio: our proposal is to publish the next draft around 25th october ←
13:43:07 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:43:19 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: one of the phase was removed
Bernadette Farias Loscio: one of the phase was removed ←
13:44:47 <adrianov> phila: we are expected to have one more f2f meeting
Phil Archer: we are expected to have one more f2f meeting ←
13:45:16 <adrianov> ... tell us about implementation experiences
... tell us about implementation experiences ←
13:45:21 <phila> -> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1 Share-PSI implementayion
Phil Archer: -> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1 Share-PSI implementayion ←
13:45:40 <adrianov> ... not suggesting this is what we have to do, it is just a suggestion
... not suggesting this is what we have to do, it is just a suggestion ←
13:46:36 <adrianov> ... whether the guidelines they offer are consistent with us
... whether the guidelines they offer are consistent with us ←
13:46:48 <adrianov> ... we need to have some evidence of implementation
... we need to have some evidence of implementation ←
13:46:57 <adrianov> ... experiences of implementation
... experiences of implementation ←
13:47:36 <adrianov> ... have to specify all the criteria
... have to specify all the criteria ←
13:48:08 <adrianov> ... have to prove that we did all we have said that would be done
... have to prove that we did all we have said that would be done ←
13:48:49 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
13:49:27 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: candidate document on beginning of december
Bernadette Farias Loscio: candidate document on beginning of december ←
13:49:52 <adrianov> phila: december or january does not make much difference
Phil Archer: december or january does not make much difference ←
13:50:10 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview ←
13:50:48 <nandana> annette_g, I think you need to give access to the doc.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: annette_g, I think you need to give access to the doc. ←
13:51:53 <adrianov> phila: end of candidate recommendation should be march
Phil Archer: end of candidate recommendation should be march ←
13:53:40 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_
Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_ ←
13:53:45 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: if we go for a candidate recommendation on december we will have another document in the begging of next year
Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we go for a candidate recommendation on december we will have another document in the begging of next year ←
13:54:26 <adrianov> phila: not expecting an organization to implement or follow all BPs
Phil Archer: not expecting an organization to implement or follow all BPs ←
13:54:35 <Caroline_> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
13:54:46 <adrianov> ... next version is due to next month some time
... next version is due to next month some time ←
13:55:18 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: I think we will still have a lot of open issues, and also a lot to write and review
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we will still have a lot of open issues, and also a lot to write and review ←
13:55:38 <adrianov> ... examples to be included, and quality dimensions, classification, context section, glossary etc.
... examples to be included, and quality dimensions, classification, context section, glossary etc. ←
13:55:46 <adrianov> ... review BPs and tests
... review BPs and tests ←
13:56:44 <adrianov> phila: deadline for the last cool version of the document is middle november
Phil Archer: deadline for the last call version of the document is middle november ←
13:56:54 <adrianov> ... last week of november
... last week of november ←
13:57:09 <phila> s/cool/call/
13:58:13 <adrianov> phila: will update the timetable
Phil Archer: will update the timetable ←
14:00:11 <annette_g> * all the versions are cool *
Annette Greiner: * all the versions are cool * ←
14:02:56 <ericstephan> ericstephan present+
Eric Stephan: ericstephan present+ ←
14:04:02 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:04:07 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview
Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview ←
14:04:15 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline_ ←
14:04:39 <adrianov> Caroline_: phila, when should we have to prove that the test was done, a document?
Caroline Burle: phila, when should we have to prove that the test was done, a document? ←
14:05:22 <adrianov> phila: must provide details on how BPs were implemented
Phil Archer: must provide details on how BPs were implemented ←
14:06:02 <adrianov> ... prove everything is done, and show evidence about the implementation
... prove everything is done, and show evidence about the implementation ←
14:06:24 <adrianov> ... some changes is usually required at this point
... some changes is usually required at this point ←
14:07:14 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:07:14 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: what happens during candidate recommendation period?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: what happens during candidate recommendation period? ←
14:07:30 <adrianov> phila: it is important that you get feedback from the group
Phil Archer: it is important that you get feedback from the group ←
14:07:42 <adrianov> phila: feedback about BP implementations
Phil Archer: feedback about BP implementations ←
14:08:29 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: imlementations should be done bettwen november and march
Bernadette Farias Loscio: imlementations should be done bettwen november and march ←
14:08:49 <Caroline_> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
14:09:01 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline_ ←
14:09:17 <adrianov> Caroline_: phila could you include that officialy?
Caroline Burle: phila could you include that officialy? ←
14:10:56 <adrianov> phila: meet in Zagreb for checking BP implementations
Phil Archer: meet in Zagreb for checking BP implementations ←
14:11:40 <yaso> seems ok
Yaso Córdova: seems ok ←
14:12:21 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: happy with the result of the F2F
Bernadette Farias Loscio: happy with the result of the F2F ←
14:12:23 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
14:12:54 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP ←
14:13:13 <Caroline_> Please take a look at Other Open Issues - To be discussed/closed before the F2F or if we have time during the F2F
Caroline Burle: Please take a look at Other Open Issues - To be discussed/closed before the F2F or if we have time during the F2F ←
14:13:18 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: we have some open issues. reponsibles should take a look and check for necessary discussions.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have some open issues. reponsibles should take a look and check for necessary discussions. ←
14:15:12 <laufer> bye all
Carlos Laufer: bye all ←
14:15:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> goodbye laufer ..
Riccardo Albertoni: goodbye laufer .. ←
14:15:15 <nandana> bye laufer !!
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye laufer !! ←
14:15:22 <adrianov> deirdrelee: end of the BP session
Deirdre Lee: end of the BP session ←
14:15:32 <adrianov> ... moving to DUV
... moving to DUV ←
14:15:40 <phila> Topic: Dataset Usage Vocabulary
14:15:47 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
14:15:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
14:16:58 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV ←
14:17:16 <phila> present+ ericstephan
Phil Archer: present+ ericstephan ←
14:17:18 <ericstephan> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit?usp=sharing
Eric Stephan: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit?usp=sharing ←
14:17:34 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: let's start with slides
Bernadette Farias Loscio: let's start with slides [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
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14:18:00 <Sumit_Purohit_> present+ Sumit_Purohit_
Sumit Purohit: present+ Sumit_Purohit_ ←
14:18:07 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: one of the challenges with DUV is thinking about data usage
Eric Stephan: one of the challenges with DUV is thinking about data usage [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:19:24 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:19:47 <PeterWinstanley> ...DUV has changed a lot since last F2F
Peter Winstanley: ...DUV has changed a lot since last F2F ←
14:19:53 <newtoncalegari> A short URL in case you're going to type https://goo.gl/2lJXaj
Newton Calegari: A short URL in case you're going to type https://goo.gl/2lJXaj ←
14:19:57 <PeterWinstanley> Slide #2 shows the eveolved DUV model
Peter Winstanley: Slide #2 shows the eveolved DUV model ←
14:20:09 <PeterWinstanley> slide '3 has the major components
Peter Winstanley: slide '3 has the major components ←
14:20:38 <PeterWinstanley> ...core was DCAT :Dataset - when thinking about usage we're thinking about the dataset or distribution
Peter Winstanley: ...core was DCAT :Dataset - when thinking about usage we're thinking about the dataset or distribution ←
14:20:49 <PeterWinstanley> ...what can operate on the dataset
Peter Winstanley: ...what can operate on the dataset ←
14:20:59 <PeterWinstanley> ...feedback is looking at community responses
Peter Winstanley: ...feedback is looking at community responses ←
14:21:12 <PeterWinstanley> ...citation is looking at references to the dataset - formal or informal
Peter Winstanley: ...citation is looking at references to the dataset - formal or informal ←
14:22:52 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide #4 - is how a digital citizen examines a dataset and perhaps collaborates with others using tools that are readily available. This would use something that Sumit_Purohit_ developed to help scientists discover datasets they might not be aware of
Peter Winstanley: ...slide #4 - is how a digital citizen examines a dataset and perhaps collaborates with others using tools that are readily available. This would use something that Sumit_Purohit_ developed to help scientists discover datasets they might not be aware of ←
14:23:14 <PeterWinstanley> ...I might want to look at particular types of datasets that I want to examine with this tool
Peter Winstanley: ...I might want to look at particular types of datasets that I want to examine with this tool ←
14:23:30 <PeterWinstanley> ...http://rdesc.org provides illustrations
Peter Winstanley: ...http://rdesc.org provides illustrations ←
14:24:02 <PeterWinstanley> ...the distribution is the actual file that I'm interested in
Peter Winstanley: ...the distribution is the actual file that I'm interested in ←
14:25:11 <PeterWinstanley> ...from a DUV perspective the first thought is describing the dataset (breaking some BP rules, but for the point of illustration) I'm calling the dataset directly (slide#7) but it would be better to have a list of search results (slide#6)
Peter Winstanley: ...from a DUV perspective the first thought is describing the dataset (breaking some BP rules, but for the point of illustration) I'm calling the dataset directly (slide#7) but it would be better to have a list of search results (slide#6) ←
14:25:52 <PeterWinstanley> ... the actual data file, in the case of the DUV, would be described in terms of dataset and distribution.
Peter Winstanley: ... the actual data file, in the case of the DUV, would be described in terms of dataset and distribution. ←
14:26:55 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#9 The DUV allows me to describe a file that I can use to manipulate the dataset
Peter Winstanley: ...slide#9 The DUV allows me to describe a file that I can use to manipulate the dataset ←
14:27:34 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#10 shows a blank screen and provides a dead end (typical when deling with arbitrary data on the web) so
Peter Winstanley: ...slide#10 shows a blank screen and provides a dead end (typical when deling with arbitrary data on the web) so ←
14:28:30 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#11 shows the ability to provide feedback giving narrative about what I did and what I needed to note in terms of important info
Peter Winstanley: ...slide#11 shows the ability to provide feedback giving narrative about what I did and what I needed to note in terms of important info ←
14:29:12 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#12 I need to know the credibility of the resource (readme files, technical publications, references etc)
Peter Winstanley: ...slide#12 I need to know the credibility of the resource (readme files, technical publications, references etc) ←
14:29:30 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#13 shows the use of DUV to reference these materials
Peter Winstanley: ...slide#13 shows the use of DUV to reference these materials ←
14:30:24 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#14 shows the DUV is able to hold all this background information that I currently keep in my head or a notebook, so it provides a mechanism for enriching search resources
Peter Winstanley: ...slide#14 shows the DUV is able to hold all this background information that I currently keep in my head or a notebook, so it provides a mechanism for enriching search resources ←
14:31:12 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html ←
14:32:09 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: There are only a few issues, but we can discuss the model
Bernadette Farias Loscio: There are only a few issues, but we can discuss the model [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:33:29 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: walking through the document from top to bottom: one aspect is the use of code from existing application to provide a simple way of showing different RDF serialisations: t=turtle, j=json-ld etc
Eric Stephan: walking through the document from top to bottom: one aspect is the use of code from existing application to provide a simple way of showing different RDF serialisations: t=turtle, j=json-ld etc [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:33:42 <phila> The j/t switch appeals to my inner geek
Phil Archer: The j/t switch appeals to my inner geek ←
14:34:55 <nandana> +1. it is quite nice. Having example in JSON-LD would be quite appealing to some readers.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1. it is quite nice. Having example in JSON-LD would be quite appealing to some readers. ←
14:35:03 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:35:11 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: the one thing that concerns me is that we need to ensure that blank nodes etc are fixed and to ensure that we provide a good json-ld rendering
Eric Stephan: the one thing that concerns me is that we need to ensure that blank nodes etc are fixed and to ensure that we provide a good json-ld rendering [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:36:42 <PeterWinstanley> phila: querying the blank node in prov:association
Phil Archer: querying the blank node in prov:association [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:36:50 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: something we need to check on
Eric Stephan: something we need to check on [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:37:14 <PeterWinstanley> ...i think it is a reflection of the turtle
Peter Winstanley: ...i think it is a reflection of the turtle ←
14:37:55 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:38:05 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
14:38:43 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
14:38:52 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: wondering - it's possible to return information back to the dataset owner, but by what mechanism? there's a value in annotations, but that depends on an ecosystem that provides a route back to the published
Annette Greiner: wondering - it's possible to return information back to the dataset owner, but by what mechanism? there's a value in annotations, but that depends on an ecosystem that provides a route back to the published [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:39:04 <ericstephan> Mozilla Science Lab, Share PSI, US Department of Energy Advanced Scientific Computing Research (ASRC), Force 11 Citations Implementations, Provenance (IPAW), PROV, Open Annotation vocabulary, Research Data Alliance
Eric Stephan: Mozilla Science Lab, Share PSI, US Department of Energy Advanced Scientific Computing Research (ASRC), Force 11 Citations Implementations, Provenance (IPAW), PROV, Open Annotation vocabulary, Research Data Alliance ←
14:39:08 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: that's an area that needs different communities to input on
Eric Stephan: that's an area that needs different communities to input on [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:39:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:39:30 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
14:39:47 <PeterWinstanley> ...we might get input from the communities mentioned
Peter Winstanley: ...we might get input from the communities mentioned ←
14:40:40 <phila> q+ to talk about notifications
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about notifications ←
14:41:46 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_
Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_ ←
14:41:52 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: as the job is to develop the vocab we don't need to consider how it might be used, but it is worth considering so that we don't do anything incompatible with future generations
Annette Greiner: as the job is to develop the vocab we don't need to consider how it might be used, but it is worth considering so that we don't do anything incompatible with future generations [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:42:36 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:43:05 <PeterWinstanley> Sumit_Purohit_: to answer your question: we do expect the publisher to provide some mechanism. in the early days of rdesc we thought about semantic mediawiki pages linked off the dataset info. it goes back to the implementation part. perhaps at the time of candidate phase we'll be able to come up with an implementation
Sumit Purohit: to answer your question: we do expect the publisher to provide some mechanism. in the early days of rdesc we thought about semantic mediawiki pages linked off the dataset info. it goes back to the implementation part. perhaps at the time of candidate phase we'll be able to come up with an implementation [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:43:10 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:43:18 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: we have 2 BP related to feedback
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have 2 BP related to feedback [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:43:36 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
14:44:36 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: still on feedback, and recalling yesterday's discusision on feedback as quality statements, it would be good to include these. Sometimes it is not too realistic (we can't oblige people) but it would be useful to specify some terms
Giancarlo Guizzardi: still on feedback, and recalling yesterday's discusision on feedback as quality statements, it would be good to include these. Sometimes it is not too realistic (we can't oblige people) but it would be useful to specify some terms [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:45:29 <PeterWinstanley> ...another point: related to activity and the relation to resource and agent. the idea is to reuse as much as possible, but rfom a modeliing perspective we are looking to reify an agent with the resource used
Peter Winstanley: ...another point: related to activity and the relation to resource and agent. the idea is to reuse as much as possible, but rfom a modeliing perspective we are looking to reify an agent with the resource used ←
14:46:03 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
14:46:25 <PeterWinstanley> ...this is a 1:1 relation so the the activity is the event of usage and this event could be looked at from the agent perspective or from the resouce perspective
Peter Winstanley: ...this is a 1:1 relation so the the activity is the event of usage and this event could be looked at from the agent perspective or from the resouce perspective ←
14:46:38 <PeterWinstanley> ...it's an overkill to reify all of these
Peter Winstanley: ...it's an overkill to reify all of these ←
14:46:55 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: do you have a recommendataion?
Eric Stephan: do you have a recommendataion? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:47:12 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: is my assumption of 1:1 relation correct?
Giancarlo Guizzardi: is my assumption of 1:1 relation correct? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:47:24 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: that's right
Eric Stephan: that's right [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:47:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:47:53 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I would fuse activity, association and usage into a single concept
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I would fuse activity, association and usage into a single concept [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:48:16 <PeterWinstanley> ...from a modelling point of view we have made it more complex than it need be
Peter Winstanley: ...from a modelling point of view we have made it more complex than it need be ←
14:48:49 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: the main motivation for this is prov reuse; usage is prov:activity
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the main motivation for this is prov reuse; usage is prov:activity [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:48:56 <PeterWinstanley> ...but this is another option
Peter Winstanley: ...but this is another option ←
14:49:17 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I am just showing the trade off. re-using prov provides more tuples
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I am just showing the trade off. re-using prov provides more tuples [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:49:20 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:50:07 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: hand crafting examples was not easy. there were pieces I needed to put to gether to provide roles. we didn't want to reinvent, we wanted to reuse.
Eric Stephan: hand crafting examples was not easy. there were pieces I needed to put to gether to provide roles. we didn't want to reinvent, we wanted to reuse. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:50:24 <PeterWinstanley> ...this is the results of working through that
Peter Winstanley: ...this is the results of working through that ←
14:50:36 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley
Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley ←
14:50:37 <nandana> +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45 ←
14:50:37 <PeterWinstanley> ...wokring with prov required extra thinking to use
Peter Winstanley: ...wokring with prov required extra thinking to use ←
14:50:38 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
14:50:38 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about notifications
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about notifications ←
14:50:55 <PeterWinstanley> phila: practicality/usage: any vocab is requiring tooling
Phil Archer: practicality/usage: any vocab is requiring tooling [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:51:02 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/PR-notifications-20150910/
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/PR-notifications-20150910/ ←
14:51:07 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ ←
14:51:46 <PeterWinstanley> ...possible routes: "notifications" and "activity streams" - tool chains to cover things like 'like' in twitter/facebook
Peter Winstanley: ...possible routes: "notifications" and "activity streams" - tool chains to cover things like 'like' in twitter/facebook ←
14:52:16 <PeterWinstanley> ...the tool could alert the owner of the data when usage/feedback info is created by a user
Peter Winstanley: ...the tool could alert the owner of the data when usage/feedback info is created by a user ←
14:52:22 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:52:36 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
14:53:36 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: Sumit_Purohit_ mentioned the idea of a publisher wanting to gather usage and they would create a wiki: probably not practical; plain text might be more practical.
Annette Greiner: Sumit_Purohit_ mentioned the idea of a publisher wanting to gather usage and they would create a wiki: probably not practical; plain text might be more practical. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:54:13 <PeterWinstanley> ...a better way to get detailed description is where data is re-used to make part of the re-usage do the reporting back.
Peter Winstanley: ...a better way to get detailed description is where data is re-used to make part of the re-usage do the reporting back. ←
14:54:29 <PeterWinstanley> ...difference between looking and re-using
Peter Winstanley: ...difference between looking and re-using ←
14:54:47 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:54:52 <PeterWinstanley> ...counting hits on a dataset is different from determining re-use/re-purposing
Peter Winstanley: ...counting hits on a dataset is different from determining re-use/re-purposing ←
14:54:53 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
14:55:42 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: all the pieces we have available in DUV should be available for usage as annotations. at present they are restricted to fedeback, but they should also be used with e.g. citation
Annette Greiner: all the pieces we have available in DUV should be available for usage as annotations. at present they are restricted to fedeback, but they should also be used with e.g. citation [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:55:49 <deirdrelee> ack u
Deirdre Lee: ack u ←
14:55:51 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_
Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_ ←
14:56:14 <PeterWinstanley> Sumit_Purohit_: annette_g point is valid: 3 of us from the vocab team will reply collectively
Sumit Purohit: annette_g point is valid: 3 of us from the vocab team will reply collectively [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:56:43 <PeterWinstanley> ...giancarlo's point about feedback, we've thought about it using citation characterisaiotn features
Peter Winstanley: ...giancarlo's point about feedback, we've thought about it using citation characterisaiotn features ←
14:56:51 <ericstephan_> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:56:58 <PeterWinstanley> ... BernadetteLoscio: can explain
Peter Winstanley: ... BernadetteLoscio: can explain ←
14:57:25 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: this is related to yesterdau's discussion on user feedback in the DQV
Bernadette Farias Loscio: this is related to yesterdau's discussion on user feedback in the DQV [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:57:51 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
14:58:01 <nandana> -q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: -q ←
14:58:04 <PeterWinstanley> ...it should be a subclass of DUV:Feedback, but today we should discuss - is this a single class, or are there different types of feedback
Peter Winstanley: ...it should be a subclass of DUV:Feedback, but today we should discuss - is this a single class, or are there different types of feedback ←
14:58:26 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we cannot have feedback as a subclass of quality statement
Giancarlo Guizzardi: we cannot have feedback as a subclass of quality statement [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
14:58:38 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
14:58:56 <PeterWinstanley> ...it would be useful to refine a typology of feedback, even it we don't oblige people to use it we give them some optional guids
Peter Winstanley: ...it would be useful to refine a typology of feedback, even it we don't oblige people to use it we give them some optional guids ←
14:59:17 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan_
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan_ ←
14:59:20 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> A reference that might be useful in that regard is: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-12206-9_25#page-1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: A reference that might be useful in that regard is: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-12206-9_25#page-1 ←
14:59:28 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q- ←
15:00:30 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: one of the things I mentioned to annette - a powerful concept of hte semantic web is the ability transform graphs in any way we need to : annotations could be developed from anything I mentioned in my presentation; I could also translate anything done in DUV into annotations
Eric Stephan: one of the things I mentioned to annette - a powerful concept of hte semantic web is the ability transform graphs in any way we need to : annotations could be developed from anything I mentioned in my presentation; I could also translate anything done in DUV into annotations [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:00:32 <annette_g> :)
Annette Greiner: :) ←
15:00:54 <PeterWinstanley> ...the things being asked for could be provided by the open annotations model
Peter Winstanley: ...the things being asked for could be provided by the open annotations model ←
15:02:08 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: responding to giancarlo; one powerful thing in the open annotation model is the types of interaction. the editors are open to additions to these properties, so we could develop some complementary effort
Eric Stephan: responding to giancarlo; one powerful thing in the open annotation model is the types of interaction. the editors are open to additions to these properties, so we could develop some complementary effort [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:03:00 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: this was captured in email in the last few days, but we're still left with working with quality feedback ....(?)
Giancarlo Guizzardi: this was captured in email in the last few days, but we're still left with working with quality feedback ....(?) [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:03:27 <ericstephan_> Annette can I call you?
Eric Stephan: Annette can I call you? ←
15:03:43 <annette_g> okay, 510-384-6794
Annette Greiner: okay, ←
15:03:46 <ericstephan_> no feedback
Eric Stephan: no feedback ←
15:03:50 <RiccardoAlbertoni> i will be here after the lunch
Riccardo Albertoni: i will be here after the lunch ←
15:03:58 <phila> s/510-384-6794//
15:04:05 <ericstephan_> great, I'd like to touch base with you
Eric Stephan: great, I'd like to touch base with you ←
15:04:16 <annette_g> * thanks, Phil *
Annette Greiner: * thanks, Phil * ←
15:04:46 <annette_g> I need to take off, will catch up in a few hours.
Annette Greiner: I need to take off, will catch up in a few hours. ←
15:05:11 <annette_g> bye for now!
Annette Greiner: bye for now! ←
15:05:16 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: I know that we need to have feedback, community discussion; it's needed for recomendataion. after the 2nd draft we didn't have much feedback. maybe we didn't search for feedback. what can be done to improve?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I know that we need to have feedback, community discussion; it's needed for recomendataion. after the 2nd draft we didn't have much feedback. maybe we didn't search for feedback. what can be done to improve? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:05:55 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
15:06:04 <PeterWinstanley> ...this goes for the 3 docs, but specifically for the BP we need implementations and I'd like to discuss how we are going to find/realise these implementations
Peter Winstanley: ...this goes for the 3 docs, but specifically for the BP we need implementations and I'd like to discuss how we are going to find/realise these implementations ←
15:06:26 <PeterWinstanley> ...for feedback, eric can provide a template for this
Peter Winstanley: ...for feedback, eric can provide a template for this ←
15:06:51 <PeterWinstanley> phila: talk, conference, tweet, write to other groups, just work on it
Phil Archer: talk, conference, tweet, write to other groups, just work on it [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:06:56 <ericstephan_> I think we need to help imagine people how to use it, would be most helpful.
Eric Stephan: I think we need to help imagine people how to use it, would be most helpful. ←
15:07:18 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: other groups: we need help in identifying them
Bernadette Farias Loscio: other groups: we need help in identifying them [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:07:19 <antoine> This is what I've done last time for DQV: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/187
Antoine Isaac: This is what I've done last time for DQV: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/187 ←
15:07:46 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
15:08:29 <antoine> in fact it's this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0069.html
Antoine Isaac: in fact it's this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0069.html ←
15:08:31 <PeterWinstanley> phila: the obvious ones: annotation, geospatial, csv, internationalisation, privacy,... we need to write formally to those we said we'd discuss with
Phil Archer: the obvious ones: annotation, geospatial, csv, internationalisation, privacy,... we need to write formally to those we said we'd discuss with [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:08:45 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: not only W3C, but *all* groups
Deirdre Lee: not only W3C, but *all* groups [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:08:57 <antoine> but the feedback resulting from my action was not huge :-(
Antoine Isaac: but the feedback resulting from my action was not huge :-( ←
15:09:09 <PeterWinstanley> ...also through work at a national level through our own work
Peter Winstanley: ...also through work at a national level through our own work ←
15:09:15 <ericstephan_> The SIOC is another example of who we are working with http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/
Eric Stephan: The SIOC is another example of who we are working with http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ ←
15:10:13 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: i was surprised/delighted by feedback from the SIOC group - but they were asking for an update. we need to branch out into other groups
Eric Stephan: i was surprised/delighted by feedback from the SIOC group - but they were asking for an update. we need to branch out into other groups [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:10:34 <BernadetteLoscio> Thanks Antoine!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks Antoine! ←
15:10:38 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: I'll be in Galway in 2-3/52 so will be in contact wiht John Breslin etc
Deirdre Lee: I'll be in Galway in 2-3/52 so will be in contact wiht John Breslin etc [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:10:56 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: it would be good to have a telecon to get their thoughts
Eric Stephan: it would be good to have a telecon to get their thoughts [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:11:05 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: also check forthcoming conferences
Deirdre Lee: also check forthcoming conferences [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:12:14 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
15:12:28 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
15:12:50 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: sumit and I put in a proposal re: data usage. in the rdesc project, in the DoE advanced computing, rdesc was the only 'semantic web' one, but recently I was in Rockville MD where there were more projects being mentioned but there is a lack of awareness of wider vocabs and a hunger to find out more info
Eric Stephan: sumit and I put in a proposal re: data usage. in the rdesc project, in the DoE advanced computing, rdesc was the only 'semantic web' one, but recently I was in Rockville MD where there were more projects being mentioned but there is a lack of awareness of wider vocabs and a hunger to find out more info [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:13:01 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_
Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_ ←
15:13:14 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
15:13:23 <phila> q+ to ask about Notes and Recs
Phil Archer: q+ to ask about Notes and Recs ←
15:13:31 <PeterWinstanley> Sumit_Purohit_: eric and I are proposing one implementation - rdesc is close to what the group has been working on
Sumit Purohit: eric and I are proposing one implementation - rdesc is close to what the group has been working on [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:14:08 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: at the stage that editors want feedback if they can create a template email then it will make it easier for mailing list recipients
Deirdre Lee: at the stage that editors want feedback if they can create a template email then it will make it easier for mailing list recipients [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:14:09 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
15:14:11 <ericstephan_> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
15:14:19 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
15:14:19 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about Notes and Recs
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask about Notes and Recs ←
15:14:29 <PeterWinstanley> phila: we should send emails, but only after the next formal WDs are pblished
Phil Archer: we should send emails, but only after the next formal WDs are pblished [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:15:13 <PeterWinstanley> ...getting one ref implemtation is fantastic, but are we putting them on the REC track? if there are implementiaot reports then it makes the work more credible
Peter Winstanley: ...getting one ref implemtation is fantastic, but are we putting them on the REC track? if there are implementiaot reports then it makes the work more credible ←
15:15:31 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan_
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan_ ←
15:15:34 <PeterWinstanley> ...can the high bar be met?
Peter Winstanley: ...can the high bar be met? ←
15:16:39 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
15:16:49 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: right now I'm thinking 'notes' but we could show / promote a cohesive standpoint of dwbp group; our work on the 2 vocabs made sense, but we need to review our group cohesion and this will strengthen the 2 vocabs
Eric Stephan: right now I'm thinking 'notes' but we could show / promote a cohesive standpoint of dwbp group; our work on the 2 vocabs made sense, but we need to review our group cohesion and this will strengthen the 2 vocabs [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:16:59 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
15:17:14 <ericstephan_> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
15:17:16 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: we have to be realistic
Antoine Isaac: we have to be realistic [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:17:26 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan_
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan_ ←
15:17:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> I agree with antoine we have to stay realistic..
Riccardo Albertoni: I agree with antoine we have to stay realistic.. ←
15:18:43 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: we've been looking at DUV and I feel good about feedback and citation. DUV was always a little controversial, but at what point is the WG likely to say that we focus more on feedback etc. How can we get confirmation at this point of the groups backing for DUV?
Eric Stephan: we've been looking at DUV and I feel good about feedback and citation. DUV was always a little controversial, but at what point is the WG likely to say that we focus more on feedback etc. How can we get confirmation at this point of the groups backing for DUV? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:18:46 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
15:18:58 <newtoncalegari> q?
Newton Calegari: q? ←
15:19:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
15:19:41 <PeterWinstanley> phila: I have no doubt it is important, not just annotations and citations; I heard giancarlo discussing the problems in incorporating PROV, but essentially I want to see this embedded into CKAN etc
Phil Archer: I have no doubt it is important, not just annotations and citations; I heard giancarlo discussing the problems in incorporating PROV, but essentially I want to see this embedded into CKAN etc [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ] ←
15:20:20 <PeterWinstanley> ...to me the DUV looks on track; the vocabs are late according to the charter, but hopefully after today all 3 vocabs will be on track
Peter Winstanley: ...to me the DUV looks on track; the vocabs are late according to the charter, but hopefully after today all 3 vocabs will be on track ←
15:20:31 <ericstephan_> thank you phil :-)
Eric Stephan: thank you phil :-) ←
15:20:37 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
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15:20:51 <phila> == Lunch ==
15:21:28 <jerdeb> i need to leave as well guys
Jeremy Debattista: i need to leave as well guys ←
15:21:29 <nandana> bye Makx !!
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye Makx !! ←
15:21:44 <jerdeb> have a nice weekend
Jeremy Debattista: have a nice weekend ←
15:21:51 <ericstephan_> on mute standby music playing in office
Eric Stephan: on mute standby music playing in office ←
15:22:36 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
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15:24:18 <phila> RRSAgent, present?
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, present? ←
15:24:18 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'present'
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15:25:30 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:12:36 <deirdrelee> let's get started!
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Deirdre Lee: let's get started! ←
16:13:23 <ericstephan> I'm here and I think on mute :-)
Eric Stephan: I'm here and I think on mute :-) ←
16:13:37 <deirdrelee> great
Deirdre Lee: great ←
16:13:42 <ericstephan> Is anyone speaking?
Eric Stephan: Is anyone speaking? ←
16:14:28 <phila> q+ to give dates for Zagreb
Phil Archer: q+ to give dates for Zagreb ←
16:16:03 <deirdrelee> phila: heard back from host in croatia, said it's fine to host us there on March 14th
Phil Archer: heard back from host in croatia, said it's fine to host us there on March 14th [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
16:16:34 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
16:16:36 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
16:16:58 <deirdrelee> Caroline: is the date definitie?
Caroline Burle: is the date definitie? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
16:17:20 <deirdrelee> phila: it would be difficult as this is the date that share-psi group have already agreed on
Phil Archer: it would be difficult as this is the date that share-psi group have already agreed on [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
16:17:27 <deirdrelee> ... it would be difficult to change
Deirdre Lee: ... it would be difficult to change ←
16:17:44 <deirdrelee> chair: yaso
16:17:47 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV
Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV ←
16:17:47 <deirdrelee> scribe: deirdrelee
(Scribe set to Deirdre Lee)
16:18:00 <yaso> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit#slide=id.p16
Yaso Córdova: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit#slide=id.p16 ←
16:18:01 <deirdrelee> yaso: we were discussing duv, at the feedback part
Yaso Córdova: we were discussing duv, at the feedback part ←
16:18:14 <SumitPurohit> present+ SumitPurohit
Sumit Purohit: present+ SumitPurohit ←
16:18:21 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline ←
16:18:26 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: eric, what should we do now?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: eric, what should we do now? ←
16:18:42 <deirdrelee> ... should we continue with document or go to model and open issues
... should we continue with document or go to model and open issues ←
16:18:46 <yaso> present+ yaso
Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso ←
16:18:57 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: since we discussedthe model, maybe we should go to open issues
Eric Stephan: since we discussedthe model, maybe we should go to open issues ←
16:19:01 <deirdrelee> ... we only have a few
... we only have a few ←
16:19:07 <deirdrelee> issue-178
16:19:07 <trackbot> issue-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open ←
16:19:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178 ←
16:19:23 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: issue related to feedback
Bernadette Farias Loscio: issue related to feedback ←
16:19:36 <BernadetteLoscio> ISSUE-173: The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed.
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16:19:36 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-173 The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed..
Trackbot IRC Bot: Notes added to ISSUE-173 The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed.. ←
16:19:58 <deirdrelee> ... there are other issues opened by Giancarlo_Guizzardi, they are not on agenda, but they are open issues
... there are other issues opened by Giancarlo_Guizzardi, they are not on agenda, but they are open issues ←
16:20:00 <BernadetteLoscio> ISSUE-176: Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing?
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Unknown ISSUE-176: Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing? [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Farias Loscio ] ←
16:20:00 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-176 Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing?.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Notes added to ISSUE-176 Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing?. ←
16:20:04 <deirdrelee> ... comments about the last version of the model
... comments about the last version of the model ←
16:20:34 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177 ←
16:20:37 <deirdrelee> ... issue-173
16:20:42 <deirdrelee> issue-73
16:20:42 <trackbot> issue-73 -- What exactly is the audience for the bp doc? -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-73 -- What exactly is the audience for the bp doc? -- closed ←
16:20:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73 ←
16:20:58 <deirdrelee> .. confusion about citation act and citantion
.. confusion about citation act and citantion ←
16:21:07 <deirdrelee> ... property cite was removed
... property cite was removed ←
16:21:25 <deirdrelee> ... i'm not saying the version we have now is the best, but i think this issue can be closed
... i'm not saying the version we have now is the best, but i think this issue can be closed ←
16:21:25 <yaso> close issue-173
Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-173 ←
16:21:25 <trackbot> Closed issue-173.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-173. ←
16:21:30 <deirdrelee> issue-76
16:21:30 <trackbot> issue-76 -- What advice do we give about publishing metadata so that we identify the intended outcome without making assumptions that maybe false? -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-76 -- What advice do we give about publishing metadata so that we identify the intended outcome without making assumptions that maybe false? -- closed ←
16:21:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76 ←
16:21:38 <deirdrelee> issue-176
16:21:38 <trackbot> issue-176 -- Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-176 -- Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing? -- open ←
16:21:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/176
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/176 ←
16:22:13 <yaso> close issue-176
Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-176 ←
16:22:13 <trackbot> Closed issue-176.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-176. ←
16:22:15 <deirdrelee> ... classweb of things was removed from the model
... classweb of things was removed from the model ←
16:22:22 <deirdrelee> issue-177
16:22:22 <trackbot> issue-177 -- Should duv:consumes be used instead of duv:consumed? Should we be able to reify Consumption? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-177 -- Should duv:consumes be used instead of duv:consumed? Should we be able to reify Consumption? -- open ←
16:22:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177 ←
16:22:39 <deirdrelee> ... there was a property consumes, but this was removed
... there was a property consumes, but this was removed ←
16:22:42 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:22:51 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: this is now addressed by the reificaiton of usage
Giancarlo Guizzardi: this is now addressed by the reificaiton of usage ←
16:23:00 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:23:41 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: on issue-177, this is where we were considering reusing prov, so i think we can close it, as we've moved on
Eric Stephan: on ISSUE-177, this is where we were considering reusing prov, so i think we can close it, as we've moved on ←
16:24:14 <yaso> close issue-177
Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-177 ←
16:24:14 <deirdrelee> ... i'm comfortable with closing it, but maybe something that we revisit. maybe to simplify what we're doing, along the lines we were discussing earlier on
... i'm comfortable with closing it, but maybe something that we revisit. maybe to simplify what we're doing, along the lines we were discussing earlier on ←
16:24:14 <trackbot> Closed issue-177.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-177. ←
16:24:36 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: there was another issue related to feedback, which is still open.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: there was another issue related to feedback, which is still open. ←
16:24:53 <deirdrelee> ... as ericstephan presented, there are 3 parts in the model: usage, feedback and citation
... as ericstephan presented, there are 3 parts in the model: usage, feedback and citation ←
16:25:00 <phila> issue-178?
16:25:00 <trackbot> issue-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open ←
16:25:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178 ←
16:25:39 <deirdrelee> ... we have to decide what we're going to do, this relates to yesterday's discussion on feedback property that's common with th edqv
... we have to decide what we're going to do, this relates to yesterday's discussion on feedback property that's common with th edqv ←
16:25:45 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:25:48 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:25:58 <nandana> +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45 ←
16:26:07 <deirdrelee> ... i'd like to discuss all parts of the model, because we have some doubts about the general model, especially the feedback section
... i'd like to discuss all parts of the model, because we have some doubts about the general model, especially the feedback section ←
16:26:38 <deirdrelee> ... if we have a specific class for feedback, then therre will be a specific class for quality
... if we have a specific class for feedback, then therre will be a specific class for quality ←
16:26:39 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:26:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
16:26:40 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
16:26:48 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:26:57 <deirdrelee> ... should we just have one class for feedback and properties to describe the differnet types of feedback
... should we just have one class for feedback and properties to describe the differnet types of feedback ←
16:27:24 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: i liked the discussion on dqv about looking for examples, from the external community
Eric Stephan: i liked the discussion on dqv about looking for examples, from the external community ←
16:27:36 <deirdrelee> ... these things are difficult to do if we don't have examples
... these things are difficult to do if we don't have examples ←
16:28:07 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: that would be nice,
Bernadette Farias Loscio: that would be nice, ←
16:28:07 <yaso> ack nandana
Yaso Córdova: ack nandana ←
16:28:07 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45
Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45 ←
16:28:29 <deirdrelee> SumitPurohit: yesterday we had a resolution to have a feedback a subclass of userfeedback
Sumit Purohit: yesterday we had a resolution to have a feedback a subclass of userfeedback ←
16:28:40 <deirdrelee> ... i'd like to know if this was a good proposal or not
... i'd like to know if this was a good proposal or not ←
16:28:53 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:29:01 <phila> Yesterday's resolution was rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass
Phil Archer: Yesterday's resolution was rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass ←
16:29:06 <ericstephan> +1 nandana
Eric Stephan: +1 nandana ←
16:29:07 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: yesterday we had a discusssion whether to create a subcalss or not, today we should come back and see if thist fits for both vocabulaires
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yesterday we had a discusssion whether to create a subcalss or not, today we should come back and see if thist fits for both vocabulaires ←
16:29:25 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+ to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the modelling
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the modelling ←
16:29:28 <ericstephan> I like the UserFeedback
Eric Stephan: I like the UserFeedback ←
16:29:42 <nandana> also to see if it makes to rename the Feedback to UserFeedback (without changing the semantics) in DUV
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: also to see if it makes to rename the Feedback to UserFeedback (without changing the semantics) in DUV ←
16:29:43 <deirdrelee> ... we need to decide if we're going to have qualityuserfeedback as subclass of duv:feedbavck
... we need to decide if we're going to have qualityuserfeedback as subclass of duv:feedbavck ←
16:29:44 <deirdrelee> q_
q_ ←
16:29:45 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ ←
16:29:46 <deirdrelee> q+
q+ ←
16:29:51 <SumitPurohit> +1 phil
Sumit Purohit: +1 phil ←
16:29:53 <deirdrelee> phila: yesterday, we agreed we would
Phil Archer: yesterday, we agreed we would ←
16:30:22 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: there are 2 issues here
Giancarlo Guizzardi: there are 2 issues here ←
16:30:41 <deirdrelee> ... there is annotation that has 2 possible values that can be assigned to motivation
... there is annotation that has 2 possible values that can be assigned to motivation ←
16:30:52 <deirdrelee> ... we might want to extend this as properties for motivation
... we might want to extend this as properties for motivation ←
16:31:34 <deirdrelee> ... every time we have a type that is restricted to one type of property. from a modelling point of view, there are subtypes that are already there
... every time we have a type that is restricted to one type of property. from a modelling point of view, there are subtypes that are already there ←
16:32:19 <deirdrelee> ... this would be a nice way if we want to restrict a subtype of properties that are a subtypes of motivation that refer to quality statements
... this would be a nice way if we want to restrict a subtype of properties that are a subtypes of motivation that refer to quality statements ←
16:32:33 <deirdrelee> ... from a modelling point of view i don't see any issue wiht this
... from a modelling point of view i don't see any issue wiht this ←
16:33:12 <deirdrelee> ... we have to check if the values for motivation are enough, if yes
... we have to check if the values for motivation are enough, if yes ←
16:33:17 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:33:47 <deirdrelee> ... i think we could have everything. we could specialise user feedback for all of the use cases that are applicable for us
... i think we could have everything. we could specialise user feedback for all of the use cases that are applicable for us ←
16:34:03 <nandana> +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi_
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ ←
16:34:08 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e555 link to motivation
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e555 link to motivation ←
16:34:16 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: looking at instance of motivation
Bernadette Farias Loscio: looking at instance of motivation ←
16:34:18 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/core.html#Motivations
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/core.html#Motivations ←
16:34:51 <phila> q+ to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations ←
16:35:09 <deirdrelee> ... it would be possible if you could send us a model with your suggestion, cos you were in the discussion yesterday too
... it would be possible if you could send us a model with your suggestion, cos you were in the discussion yesterday too ←
16:35:09 <antoine> For the record it's better to look at the work in progress at http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations not the old OA drafts
Antoine Isaac: For the record it's better to look at the work in progress at http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations not the old OA drafts ←
16:35:11 <SumitPurohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
16:35:19 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:35:23 <deirdrelee> ... ericstephan, what do you think?
... ericstephan, what do you think? ←
16:35:44 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
16:35:50 <deirdrelee> ... Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ has an idea to model the specialisation of feedback that will help link the two types of feedback
... Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ has an idea to model the specialisation of feedback that will help link the two types of feedback ←
16:35:54 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:36:09 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
16:36:09 <Zakim> RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the modelling
Zakim IRC Bot: RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the modelling ←
16:36:51 <newtoncalegari> wonders if the work of web annotation wg could help in the issue of annotation: http://www.w3.org/annotation/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-annotation-model-20141211/
Newton Calegari: wonders if the work of web annotation wg could help in the issue of annotation: http://www.w3.org/annotation/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-annotation-model-20141211/ ←
16:36:52 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: coming back to nandana's comment, it's not clear whether feedback is just human feedback of also machine feedback
Riccardo Albertoni: coming back to nandana's comment, it's not clear whether feedback is just human feedback of also machine feedback ←
16:36:54 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:37:42 <deirdrelee> ... we might need a new definiton
... we might need a new definiton ←
16:37:43 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:37:58 <deirdrelee> phila: the annotation group is open to comments
Phil Archer: the annotation group is open to comments ←
16:38:00 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations Motivations
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations Motivations ←
16:38:22 <deirdrelee> ... there's a list of motivations
... there's a list of motivations ←
16:38:28 <deirdrelee> ... phila lists all
... phila lists all ←
16:38:49 <yaso> +1 to phila
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila ←
16:38:55 <ericstephan> I had
Eric Stephan: I had ←
16:38:57 <ericstephan> ....
Eric Stephan: .... ←
16:39:06 <ericstephan> Yes they seemed to be open to it
Eric Stephan: Yes they seemed to be open to it ←
16:39:15 <deirdrelee> ... antoine said we could define one more, quality user feedback
... antoine said we could define one more, quality user feedback ←
16:39:15 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:39:23 <deirdrelee> ... or ask them to add one more
... or ask them to add one more ←
16:39:25 <deirdrelee> ..
.. ←
16:39:39 <deirdrelee> ... we could add them to create a new motivation for us, and what would they be?/
... we could add them to create a new motivation for us, and what would they be?/ ←
16:39:43 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
16:39:43 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations ←
16:39:53 <nandana> RiccardoAlbertoni, I guess in that case we will have the same issue in DQV (dqv:QualityUserFeedback). If they are machines (or any agent), we can't call them users?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: RiccardoAlbertoni, I guess in that case we will have the same issue in DQV (dqv:QualityUserFeedback). If they are machines (or any agent), we can't call them users? ←
16:39:59 <ericstephan> I see significant reuse
Eric Stephan: I see significant reuse ←
16:40:18 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:40:21 <deirdrelee> ... providing quality feedback is one, is usage feedback another? is is significantly different to what they have?
... providing quality feedback is one, is usage feedback another? is is significantly different to what they have? ←
16:40:28 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
16:41:02 <deirdrelee> anitoine: i am familiar with this work and see a can of worms with asking them to add a new motivation
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Unknown anitoine: i am familiar with this work and see a can of worms with asking them to add a new motivation ←
16:41:21 <deirdrelee> ... it is quite unclear that providing qulity feedback will fall into one of their categories
... it is quite unclear that providing qulity feedback will fall into one of their categories ←
16:41:34 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
16:41:49 <deirdrelee> ... what they've tried wiht their current spec is different, more a cross-domain goal
... what they've tried wiht their current spec is different, more a cross-domain goal ←
16:42:10 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ ←
16:42:10 <deirdrelee> ... this might be tricky. however we may still contact them and let them know we want to create a motivation of our own
... this might be tricky. however we may still contact them and let them know we want to create a motivation of our own ←
16:42:18 <deirdrelee> ... but wouldn't push them too much
... but wouldn't push them too much ←
16:42:38 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:42:39 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
16:42:43 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guiz zardi_: agree with antoine, doesn't seem to be relatedto what we define as feedback, completely differnet
Giancarlo_Guiz zardi_: agree with antoine, doesn't seem to be related to what we define as feedback, completely differnet ←
16:42:46 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:42:59 <deirdrelee> ... which begs the quesiton if feedback should be an annotation at all
... which begs the quesiton if feedback should be an annotation at all ←
16:43:06 <newtoncalegari> s/relatedto/related to
16:43:10 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+ to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ...
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ... ←
16:43:51 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
16:44:00 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: found that their model is very thorough, annotation seemed to be closesfeedback. to be able to add a comment and reeply back, it seemed like it was applicable from a data usage perspective. maybe not from data quality?t to
Eric Stephan: found that their model is very thorough, annotation seemed to be closesfeedback. to be able to add a comment and reeply back, it seemed like it was applicable from a data usage perspective. maybe not from data quality?t to ←
16:44:31 <RiccardoAlbertoni> that was my point :)
Riccardo Albertoni: that was my point :) ←
16:44:32 <deirdrelee> antoine: agree with ericstephan, from our perspective annotation is important to include. no problem with adding multple annotations on one motivation
Antoine Isaac: agree with ericstephan, from our perspective annotation is important to include. no problem with adding multple annotations on one motivation ←
16:44:44 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
16:44:44 <Zakim> RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ...
Zakim IRC Bot: RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ... ←
16:44:46 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:45:13 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:45:21 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
16:45:22 <deirdrelee> yaso: should we try and reach out to the annotation group still?
Yaso Córdova: should we try and reach out to the annotation group still? ←
16:45:29 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:46:01 <phila> q+ to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second
Phil Archer: q+ to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second ←
16:46:09 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: before contacting the annotation group, we should have some suggetions. that we have a united front as a WG, for issues that overlap with DQV and DUV
Eric Stephan: before contacting the annotation group, we should have some suggetions. that we have a united front as a WG, for issues that overlap with DQV and DUV ←
16:46:20 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
16:46:48 <deirdrelee> antoine: it's better to clean our act and clarify our relationship between vocabularies, see if we only need one motivation, not so sure
Antoine Isaac: it's better to clean our act and clarify our relationship between vocabularies, see if we only need one motivation, not so sure ←
16:46:59 <deirdrelee> ... and then contact annoation working group
... and then contact annoation working group ←
16:47:32 <deirdrelee> ... it would be agreat opportunity to get feedback on our vocabs, especially if we give them an excuse by using some of their motivations
... it would be agreat opportunity to get feedback on our vocabs, especially if we give them an excuse by using some of their motivations ←
16:47:41 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:47:45 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
16:47:45 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second ←
16:47:49 <deirdrelee> ... just a matter of timing. once we have made progress and are in a position to get feedback
... just a matter of timing. once we have made progress and are in a position to get feedback ←
16:48:02 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
16:48:04 <deirdrelee> phila: +1 to antoine I suggest that each/one vocab defines these things
Phil Archer: +1 to antoine I suggest that each/one vocab defines these things ←
16:48:21 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:48:27 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
16:48:37 <deirdrelee> ... in the document i suggest we add text to flag that this ns might be moving to another ns
... in the document i suggest we add text to flag that this ns might be moving to another ns ←
16:48:43 <ericstephan> two action items perhaps for each working group to come up with motivations to discuss internally?
Eric Stephan: two action items perhaps for each working group to come up with motivations to discuss internally? ←
16:48:50 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:48:59 <deirdrelee> antoine: write an action that takes effect in a couple of weeks, for the editors to contact annotation wg
Antoine Isaac: write an action that takes effect in a couple of weeks, for the editors to contact annotation wg ←
16:49:18 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: i agree with proposal of Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ Let's see what will happen
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i agree with proposal of Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ Let's see what will happen ←
16:49:31 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:49:41 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:50:08 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: should we create an action for each vocab
Eric Stephan: should we create an action for each vocab ←
16:50:21 <deirdrelee> ... it can be two actions
... it can be two actions ←
16:51:17 <deirdrelee> phila: when should the action be for?
Phil Archer: when should the action be for? ←
16:51:24 <deirdrelee> antoine: second week in october?
Antoine Isaac: second week in october? ←
16:51:27 <phila> action: antoine to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DQV motivation - due 16 October
ACTION: antoine to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DQV motivation - due 16 October ←
16:51:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding dqv motivation [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-10-16].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-208 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding dqv motivation [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-10-16]. ←
16:51:30 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:51:49 <phila> action: ericstephan to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DUV motivation - due 16 October
ACTION: ericstephan to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DUV motivation - due 16 October ←
16:51:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding duv motivation [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-10-16].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-209 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding duv motivation [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-10-16]. ←
16:51:53 <antoine> q+ to say that I'm leaving
Antoine Isaac: q+ to say that I'm leaving ←
16:52:03 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
16:52:03 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to say that I'm leaving
Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to say that I'm leaving ←
16:52:16 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks a lot!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks a lot! ←
16:52:20 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye antoine !
Riccardo Albertoni: bye antoine ! ←
16:52:23 <nandana> bye antoine !!
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye antoine !! ←
16:52:28 <yaso> bye, thank you antoine :-)
Yaso Córdova: bye, thank you antoine :-) ←
16:52:39 <phila> issue-178?
16:52:39 <yaso> ISSUE-178
16:52:39 <trackbot> issue-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open ←
16:52:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178 ←
16:52:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open ←
16:52:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178 ←
16:52:54 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: I think we can close issue, because now we have an action
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we can close issue, because now we have an action ←
16:53:09 <deirdrelee> yaso: we can close it? because the definition still has to be reviewed
Yaso Córdova: we can close it? because the definition still has to be reviewed ←
16:53:09 <yaso> close ISSUE-178
Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-178 ←
16:53:09 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-178.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-178. ←
16:53:19 <deirdrelee> phila: action items arising from it,so it's not being lost
Phil Archer: action items arising from it,so it's not being lost ←
16:53:26 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179 ←
16:53:36 <yaso> issue-179
16:53:36 <trackbot> issue-179 -- The Working Group is considering to put all new classes and properties (together with the ones of the Data Usage Vocabulary) in the DCAT namespace. -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-179 -- The Working Group is considering to put all new classes and properties (together with the ones of the Data Usage Vocabulary) in the DCAT namespace. -- open ←
16:53:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179 ←
16:54:23 <deirdrelee> phila: i have a view, i think we should put them inthe dcat ns
Phil Archer: i have a view, i think we should put them inthe dcat ns ←
16:54:35 <deirdrelee> ... dqv starts by saying 'we are extending dcat'
... dqv starts by saying 'we are extending dcat' ←
16:54:37 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:54:43 <deirdrelee> ... duv refers to dcat in the intro
... duv refers to dcat in the intro ←
16:54:53 <deirdrelee> ... would like to see it in the dcat ns, but open
... would like to see it in the dcat ns, but open ←
16:55:09 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: both models have dcat,for duv it is core
Bernadette Farias Loscio: both models have dcat,for duv it is core ←
16:55:20 <deirdrelee> ... how does this happen, we just use dcat?
... how does this happen, we just use dcat? ←
16:55:43 <deirdrelee> phila: yes, as long as we don't edit anything that's there
Phil Archer: yes, as long as we don't edit anything that's there ←
16:55:53 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline ←
16:56:03 <deirdrelee> ... there is no such thing as the dcat wg, f there is a successor to dcat wg it's this wg
... there is no such thing as the dcat wg, f there is a successor to dcat wg it's this wg ←
16:56:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
16:56:24 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:56:30 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:56:58 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: i'm looking at duvmodel, we have things like duv:entity,inherited from prov:entity
Eric Stephan: i'm looking at duvmodel, we have things like duv:entity,inherited from prov:entity ←
16:57:27 <deirdrelee> ... what i like with using dcat ns is that we can guard against overlapping terms in differnet namespaces
... what i like with using dcat ns is that we can guard against overlapping terms in differnet namespaces ←
16:57:36 <deirdrelee> ... i would be for using dcat ns
... i would be for using dcat ns ←
16:57:44 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:57:47 <deirdrelee> ... could we make decision just for duv
... could we make decision just for duv ←
16:58:56 <ericstephan> it actually makes more sense to have dcat:Entity in a sense.
Eric Stephan: it actually makes more sense to have dcat:Entity in a sense. ←
16:58:59 <nandana> phila, is it possible to edit the text in http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat# to add a link to the DUV document? I guess, yes, right?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: phila, is it possible to edit the text in http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat# to add a link to the DUV document? I guess, yes, right? ←
16:59:01 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: should usage apply to both duv and dqv. but this term is modelled differently in 2 vocabs
Bernadette Farias Loscio: should usage apply to both duv and dqv. but this term is modelled differently in 2 vocabs ←
16:59:23 <deirdrelee> ... the two vocabs should be consistent in how they model classes, especially if we are going for a common ns
... the two vocabs should be consistent in how they model classes, especially if we are going for a common ns ←
16:59:35 <phila> Yes, nandana, we can edit the /ns doc (but not /TR/vocab-dcat/)
Phil Archer: Yes, nandana, we can edit the /ns doc (but not /TR/vocab-dcat/) ←
16:59:50 <deirdrelee> ... don't know if this is the best way to model, because in dcat there is only concept of dataset and distribution
... don't know if this is the best way to model, because in dcat there is only concept of dataset and distribution ←
16:59:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+ to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea..
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea.. ←
17:00:01 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:00:01 <Zakim> RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea..
Zakim IRC Bot: RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea.. ←
17:00:18 <deirdrelee> ... they don't have a supercall,but in duv we need it, because i don't know how you're going to give properties on both
... they don't have a supercall,but in duv we need it, because i don't know how you're going to give properties on both ←
17:00:26 <nandana> phila, thanks.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: phila, thanks. ←
17:00:29 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: what is the justification that using dcat ns is a good idea?
Riccardo Albertoni: what is the justification that using dcat ns is a good idea? ←
17:00:41 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:01:03 <deirdrelee> phila: it's one less ns to have to remember. it also makes it more explicit that we're extending dcat for the vocabs, and if feels more coordinated
Phil Archer: it's one less ns to have to remember. it also makes it more explicit that we're extending dcat for the vocabs, and if feels more coordinated ←
17:01:28 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: but in the end we are not going to change the documentation at the ns
Riccardo Albertoni: but in the end we are not going to change the documentation at the ns ←
17:01:37 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:02:05 <deirdrelee> phila: right now there is no documentation at the ns, just a link to the ttl file. the definition documnet is separate from the ns doc
Phil Archer: right now there is no documentation at the ns, just a link to the ttl file. the definition documnet is separate from the ns doc ←
17:02:27 <deirdrelee> ... we're talking about adding two new documentation files, not editing the ns doc
... we're talking about adding two new documentation files, not editing the ns doc ←
17:02:36 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: as a linked data person, i don't like this
Riccardo Albertoni: as a linked data person, i don't like this ←
17:03:00 <deirdrelee> ... are we not causing confusion over what part of the model is standard,and what is defined by our group
... are we not causing confusion over what part of the model is standard,and what is defined by our group ←
17:03:18 <deirdrelee> ... dcat is a rec, how will people know what the split is
... dcat is a rec, how will people know what the split is ←
17:03:21 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:03:22 <deirdrelee> +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni
+1 to RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:03:47 <nandana> +1 RiccardoAlbertoni. May be mixing the Rec with Notes might not be a good idea.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 RiccardoAlbertoni. May be mixing the Rec with Notes might not be a good idea. ←
17:03:55 <deirdrelee> ... confusing about what terms are the rec standard, and what one are coming from us
... confusing about what terms are the rec standard, and what one are coming from us ←
17:04:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:04:40 <phila> ack e
Phil Archer: ack e ←
17:04:44 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: if there are no rules in place for reusing an existing ns, and we have a close association with the dcat vocabulary,i don'tsee a problem iwth applying open world asumption to namespaces and using them
Eric Stephan: if there are no rules in place for reusing an existing ns, and we have a close association with the dcat vocabulary,i don'tsee a problem iwth applying open world asumption to namespaces and using them ←
17:04:47 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan ←
17:05:13 <deirdrelee> ... if it will make the vocabs closer to the core
... if it will make the vocabs closer to the core ←
17:05:27 <deirdrelee> ... seems like there's a proprietary nature to namespaces
... seems like there's a proprietary nature to namespaces ←
17:05:44 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: i like the idea, but not sure if we can do this now
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i like the idea, but not sure if we can do this now ←
17:05:47 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:05:59 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan ←
17:06:03 <deirdrelee> ... see if there is more a maturity model, not sure if we're mature enough to decide this
... see if there is more a maturity model, not sure if we're mature enough to decide this ←
17:06:13 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:06:22 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: why don't we do this, and get feedback - myabe we'll get more feedback then
Eric Stephan: why don't we do this, and get feedback - myabe we'll get more feedback then ←
17:06:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
17:06:27 <SumitPurohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
17:06:33 <SumitPurohit> +1 eric
Sumit Purohit: +1 eric ←
17:06:36 <deirdrelee> ... it would be interesting to see how external revieweres would feel about this
... it would be interesting to see how external revieweres would feel about this ←
17:07:01 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: yes, for next draft, we'll say it's an extension of dcat and get feedback
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes, for next draft, we'll say it's an extension of dcat and get feedback ←
17:07:03 <phila> PROPOSED: That both DQV and DUV documents seek specific feedback on whether or not the terms should be defined in the DCAT namespace
PROPOSED: That both DQV and DUV documents seek specific feedback on whether or not the terms should be defined in the DCAT namespace ←
17:07:09 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: people might get offended :)
Eric Stephan: people might get offended :) ←
17:07:13 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:07:41 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:07:42 <ericstephan> but is it fair that Antoine is not here? Should the proposal just be for DUV?
Eric Stephan: but is it fair that Antoine is not here? Should the proposal just be for DUV? ←
17:07:46 <deirdrelee> q+
q+ ←
17:07:52 <RiccardoAlbertoni> first to have the feedback and than move the namespace
Riccardo Albertoni: first to have the feedback and than move the namespace ←
17:07:56 <phila> ack r
Phil Archer: ack r ←
17:07:57 <nandana> +1 for seeking specific feedback
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 for seeking specific feedback ←
17:08:22 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:08:29 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: first ask for feedback, then movens
Riccardo Albertoni: first ask for feedback, then movens ←
17:08:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
17:08:37 <phila> ack g
Phil Archer: ack g ←
17:08:51 <WagnerMeiraJr> Bye guys. I learned a lot in this F2F.
Wagner Meira Jr.: Bye guys. I learned a lot in this F2F. ←
17:09:09 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: side issue, just produced model he was discussing, how to send
Giancarlo Guizzardi: side issue, just produced model he was discussing, how to send ←
17:09:19 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: put it on the wiki, that's what it's for!
Deirdre Lee: put it on the wiki, that's what it's for! ←
17:09:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:09:45 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: idea is that everyone can have a look at it and discuss today
Giancarlo Guizzardi: idea is that everyone can have a look at it and discuss today ←
17:09:51 <Gisele> the InWeb team is leaving
Gisele Pappa: the InWeb team is leaving ←
17:09:56 <phila> ack d
Phil Archer: ack d ←
17:10:15 <Gisele> thanks for the productive meeting, see u next time
Gisele Pappa: thanks for the productive meeting, see u next time ←
17:10:49 <SumitPurohit> Need to leave for a short meeting.....Will join in half hour (hopefully)
Sumit Purohit: Need to leave for a short meeting.....Will join in half hour (hopefully) ←
17:11:02 <ericstephan> +1 Deirdre
Eric Stephan: +1 Deirdre ←
17:11:14 <ericstephan> No tomatoes
Eric Stephan: No tomatoes ←
17:11:16 <nandana> +1 deirdre
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 deirdre ←
17:11:27 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:11:45 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Here is sketchy visual representation of what I was talking about: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Here is sketchy visual representation of what I was talking about: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png ←
17:12:07 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> if people can take a look just to check if I got the message across, that would be very nice
Giancarlo Guizzardi: if people can take a look just to check if I got the message across, that would be very nice ←
17:12:39 <nandana> bye InWeb team !!
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye InWeb team !! ←
17:13:00 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:13:15 <deirdrelee> phila: feels messy
Phil Archer: feels messy ←
17:13:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
17:13:24 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:13:31 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: it's a/b testing
Deirdre Lee: it's a/b testing ←
17:13:39 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: for sure doing this will have some reaction
Riccardo Albertoni: for sure doing this will have some reaction ←
17:13:51 <deirdrelee> ... feels it is a bit messy, possible way to go
... feels it is a bit messy, possible way to go ←
17:13:52 <BernadetteLoscio> ack r
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack r ←
17:14:12 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:14:14 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: i like the idea ofcharging ahead a little bit
Eric Stephan: i like the idea ofcharging ahead a little bit ←
17:14:45 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan ←
17:14:45 <deirdrelee> ... unless we try something out and get people's reaction, it will be hard to get people's reaction
... unless we try something out and get people's reaction, it will be hard to get people's reaction ←
17:14:47 <deirdrelee> q+
q+ ←
17:15:08 <deirdrelee> ... right now we do have two distinct vocabs,
... right now we do have two distinct vocabs, ←
17:15:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:15:28 <deirdrelee> ... does anyone know of precedant where a third-party vocab uses dcat
... does anyone know of precedant where a third-party vocab uses dcat ←
17:15:52 <deirdrelee> phila: depends if we see our vocabs as addition to dcat, or if it's aligned to dcat
Phil Archer: depends if we see our vocabs as addition to dcat, or if it's aligned to dcat ←
17:16:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> no.. I don't know an example of vocabulary doing this.. we have the chance to be the first..:)
Riccardo Albertoni: no.. I don't know an example of vocabulary doing this.. we have the chance to be the first..:) ←
17:16:25 <BernadetteLoscio> ack deirdrelee
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack deirdrelee ←
17:17:13 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:17:16 <phila> PROPOSED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.
PROPOSED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future. ←
17:17:26 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
17:17:28 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: it will def be a way to get feedback from dcat contributors, which is good
Deirdre Lee: it will def be a way to get feedback from dcat contributors, which is good ←
17:17:35 <deirdrelee> +1
+1 ←
17:17:36 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
17:17:38 <phila> +1 expecting some fireworks
Phil Archer: +1 expecting some fireworks ←
17:17:50 <phila> RESOLVED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.
RESOLVED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future. ←
17:18:18 <phila> RESOLUTION: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.
RESOLVED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future. ←
17:18:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
17:18:25 <deirdrelee> ... think it's a good idea to go ahead for this draft, but overall not sure if it's a good idea to adopt dcat ns because of rec vs. note issue highlighted by RiccardoAlbertoni
... think it's a good idea to go ahead for this draft, but overall not sure if it's a good idea to adopt dcat ns because of rec vs. note issue highlighted by RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:18:49 <phila> close issue-179
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-179 ←
17:18:49 <trackbot> Closed issue-179.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-179. ←
17:19:51 <phila> scribe: nandada
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17:20:08 <phila> scribeNick: nandana
(Scribe set to Nandana Mihindukulasooriya)
17:20:57 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: I would like to discuss each part of the DUV model
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I would like to discuss each part of the DUV model ←
17:21:56 <nandana> ... it is good to have a super class for Dataset and Distribution
... it is good to have a super class for Dataset and Distribution ←
17:22:15 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:22:28 <yaso> Thank you for participating, RiccardoAlbertoni :-)
Yaso Córdova: Thank you for participating, RiccardoAlbertoni :-) ←
17:22:31 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
17:23:11 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
17:23:12 <nandana> ericstephan: I like the idea of reusing DCAT namespace because it relates the vocabs better to their purpose
Eric Stephan: I like the idea of reusing DCAT namespace because it relates the vocabs better to their purpose ←
17:23:18 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
17:23:22 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:23:29 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
17:23:39 <nandana> phila: can we just use prov:Entity instead of duv:Entity?
Phil Archer: can we just use prov:Entity instead of duv:Entity? ←
17:24:08 <nandana> ericstephan: prov:Entity is too general. That was the motivation to define duv:Entity
Eric Stephan: prov:Entity is too general. That was the motivation to define duv:Entity ←
17:25:18 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: we are proposing to reuse provenance and model as things as activities
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are proposing to reuse provenance and model as things as activities ←
17:25:35 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:25:52 <phila> -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage
Phil Archer: -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage ←
17:25:54 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:26:02 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:26:06 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: it's good to use prov and have activity descriptions or should we define our own simpler model?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's good to use prov and have activity descriptions or should we define our own simpler model? ←
17:26:22 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: what are the motivations for each approach?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: what are the motivations for each approach? ←
17:27:25 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:27:26 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:27:36 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
17:27:50 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: Using the Usage and Activity as the same might lead to inconsistencies
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Using the Usage and Activity as the same might lead to inconsistencies ←
17:28:18 <nandana> ... in addition to the additional complexity
... in addition to the additional complexity ←
17:29:04 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:29:08 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
17:29:11 <nandana> ericstephan, can you please put that in the chat
ericstephan, can you please put that in the chat ←
17:29:13 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
17:29:17 <nandana> ericstephan, I missed it
ericstephan, I missed it ←
17:29:53 <nandana> phila: DQV and DUV looks very similar
Phil Archer: DQV and DUV looks very similar ←
17:30:24 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:30:53 <nandana> phila: main difference of the new diagram is getting rid of the prov classes
Phil Archer: main difference of the new diagram is getting rid of the prov classes ←
17:31:53 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: describes the proposed vocabulary diagram of DUV
Giancarlo Guizzardi: describes the proposed vocabulary diagram of DUV ←
17:32:39 <nandana> ... if QualityUserFeedback belongs to DUV, all types of Feedback should belong to DUV
... if QualityUserFeedback belongs to DUV, all types of Feedback should belong to DUV ←
17:33:01 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:33:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
17:33:37 <nandana> ... we can define subtypes of QualityUserFeedback by defining them using onProperty
... we can define subtypes of QualityUserFeedback by defining them using onProperty ←
17:34:31 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation
Bernadette Farias Loscio: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation ←
17:35:09 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we are not saying all quality annotation is UserFeedback
Giancarlo Guizzardi: we are not saying all quality annotation is UserFeedback ←
17:35:47 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
17:35:55 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: when we see two vocabs are connected, it makes sense to have them in the same namespace
Bernadette Farias Loscio: when we see two vocabs are connected, it makes sense to have them in the same namespace ←
17:38:03 <nandana> ericstephan: I only have problem with the UserRequestClarification and UserSugestionForCorrection
Eric Stephan: I only have problem with the UserRequestClarification and UserSugestionForCorrection ←
17:38:05 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:38:24 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I don't have any problem removing them
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I don't have any problem removing them ←
17:39:16 <ericstephan> (have to step away for a moment...will be back in two minutes)
Eric Stephan: (have to step away for a moment...will be back in two minutes) ←
17:39:18 <nandana> RiccardoAlbertoni: does dqv:DataUserRating belong to DUV?
Riccardo Albertoni: does dqv:DataUserRating belong to DUV? ←
17:39:29 <nandana> ... it was deleted from DQV
... it was deleted from DQV ←
17:39:59 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: it naturally belongs to DQV
Giancarlo Guizzardi: it naturally belongs to DQV ←
17:40:13 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:40:28 <nandana> RiccardoAlbertoni: these deleted classes are present in DUV examples
Riccardo Albertoni: these deleted classes are present in DUV examples ←
17:40:58 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Just to correct one of Phil's previous statements: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Just to correct one of Phil's previous statements: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage ←
17:40:58 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: this was an initial proposal. we need to work on this.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: this was an initial proposal. we need to work on this. ←
17:41:15 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
17:41:17 <nandana> ... connecting to the two vocabularies seems a good idea
... connecting to the two vocabularies seems a good idea ←
17:41:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> it should be read as Giancarlo's (sketchy) model for Feedback
Giancarlo Guizzardi: it should be read as Giancarlo's (sketchy) model for Feedback ←
17:41:43 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: should we specialize the Feedback class?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: should we specialize the Feedback class? ←
17:42:17 <ericstephan> +1 phila not enumerating all the types of feedback.
Eric Stephan: +1 phila not enumerating all the types of feedback. ←
17:42:39 <nandana> phila: we can't enumerate all the possibilities of feedback
Phil Archer: we can't enumerate all the possibilities of feedback ←
17:42:43 <ericstephan> Sumit could you look at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png and give your reaction?
Eric Stephan: Sumit could you look at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png and give your reaction? ←
17:43:04 <nandana> ... i don't see the value of classifying feedback.
... i don't see the value of classifying feedback. ←
17:43:10 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:43:11 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:43:16 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
17:43:17 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
17:43:23 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:43:41 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: these subclasses don't have to be disjoint
Giancarlo Guizzardi: these subclasses don't have to be disjoint ←
17:44:13 <nandana> ... we can classify ones that are directly related to quality
... we can classify ones that are directly related to quality ←
17:44:54 <nandana> phila: what about the way Github handles the classification? using crowdsouring?
Phil Archer: what about the way Github handles the classification? using crowdsouring? ←
17:45:34 <nandana> ... we can use tags to classify
... we can use tags to classify ←
17:46:03 <nandana> ... some predefined classifications don't work well with some cases
... some predefined classifications don't work well with some cases ←
17:46:10 <ericstephan> is this a real world example of terminology reuse?
Eric Stephan: is this a real world example of terminology reuse? ←
17:46:14 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:46:25 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: is it useful to differentiate the feedback on quality?
Giancarlo Guizzardi: is it useful to differentiate the feedback on quality? ←
17:46:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi yes we have to distingush at least quality feedback
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi yes we have to distingush at least quality feedback ←
17:46:53 <nandana> phila: if it is useful, yes.
Phil Archer: if it is useful, yes. ←
17:47:47 <nandana> phila: do we have two types of Feedback or more types?
Phil Archer: do we have two types of Feedback or more types? ←
17:47:53 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:48:10 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:48:30 <nandana> phila: we need need a diagram with classes and properties of both vocabs in one
Phil Archer: we need need a diagram with classes and properties of both vocabs in one ←
17:49:18 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: we should keep the QualityFeedback to glue with DQV and investigate other types of feedback
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should keep the QualityFeedback to glue with DQV and investigate other types of feedback ←
17:49:43 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
17:49:53 <ericstephan> +1 phila!
Eric Stephan: +1 phila! ←
17:50:07 <nandana> ... there is a difference in the way the two vocabs use the dcat:dataset and dcat:distribution
... there is a difference in the way the two vocabs use the dcat:dataset and dcat:distribution ←
17:50:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
17:50:32 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
17:50:32 <nandana> phila: I can create the combined diagram now
Phil Archer: I can create the combined diagram now ←
17:50:36 <SumitPurohit> i am here
Sumit Purohit: i am here ←
17:50:58 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: we can talk about the Citation part
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can talk about the Citation part ←
17:51:39 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:51:51 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:51:52 <nandana> ericstephan: in the next release of DUV, we should mention things about quality
Eric Stephan: in the next release of DUV, we should mention things about quality ←
17:52:38 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we should go ahead with what Bernadette proposed but we can give a thought to other types
Giancarlo Guizzardi: we should go ahead with what Bernadette proposed but we can give a thought to other types ←
17:52:55 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:52:57 <nandana> ... same applies for motivation
... same applies for motivation ←
17:53:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi and BernadetteLoscio proposal, do not enumerate all the classes
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi and BernadetteLoscio proposal, do not enumerate all the classes ←
17:53:28 <ericstephan> +1 Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Eric Stephan: +1 Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:54:04 <SumitPurohit> yes
Sumit Purohit: yes ←
17:54:15 <yaso> ==15 min break==
Yaso Córdova: ==15 min break== ←
17:54:38 <ericstephan> My stomach just growled
Eric Stephan: My stomach just growled ←
17:54:45 <ericstephan> at the mention of brownies :-)
Eric Stephan: at the mention of brownies :-) ←
18:10:56 <phila> OK, combined model is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting
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Phil Archer: OK, combined model is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting ←
18:14:38 <ericstephan> thank you nandana
Eric Stephan: thank you nandana ←
18:14:47 <RiccardoAlbertoni> good weekend nandana ..
Riccardo Albertoni: good weekend nandana .. ←
18:14:53 <ericstephan> I like your combined model phila!
Eric Stephan: I like your combined model phila! ←
18:15:33 <yaso> thanks nandana
Yaso Córdova: thanks nandana ←
18:15:52 <yaso> next session: BernadetteLoscio will chair and I'll scribe
Yaso Córdova: next session: BernadetteLoscio will chair and I'll scribe ←
18:17:41 <ericstephan> Berna and Sumit - I really think we need to refine duv:Usage a bit
Eric Stephan: Berna and Sumit - I really think we need to refine duv:Usage a bit ←
18:18:21 <BernadetteLoscio> Thanks Nandana!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks Nandana! ←
18:18:27 <ericstephan> I don't think we need prov:Activity, prov:Association to do what we need to do.
Eric Stephan: I don't think we need prov:Activity, prov:Association to do what we need to do. ←
18:19:12 <ericstephan> do we have time?
Eric Stephan: do we have time? ←
18:20:22 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
18:20:35 <ericstephan> Giancarlo_Guizzardi if we removed prov:Activity and prov:Association between duv:Usage and prov:Agent would that make sense to you?
Eric Stephan: Giancarlo_Guizzardi if we removed prov:Activity and prov:Association between duv:Usage and prov:Agent would that make sense to you? ←
18:20:51 <yaso> chair: BernadetteLoscio
18:20:54 <yaso> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
18:21:01 <yaso> scribeNicK: yaso
18:21:14 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: ericstephan can you describe your proposal?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ericstephan can you describe your proposal? ←
18:21:49 <yaso> ericstephan: I'm thinking if it in someways we created our own duv usage
Eric Stephan: I'm thinking if it in someways we created our own duv usage ←
18:21:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:22:17 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
18:22:26 <yaso> ericstephan: i'm curious if anybody has reactions
Eric Stephan: i'm curious if anybody has reactions ←
18:22:30 <BernadetteLoscio> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
18:22:41 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: it makes sense to me to have a usage that represents itself
Giancarlo Guizzardi: it makes sense to me to have a usage that represents itself ←
18:22:59 <yaso> ... if we specialize, if we have our own DUV usage class
... if we specialize, if we have our own DUV usage class ←
18:23:12 <yaso> ... and I think that it would be all we need
... and I think that it would be all we need ←
18:23:22 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:23:39 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: phil made a proposal to connect the 2 vocabularies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: phil made a proposal to connect the 2 vocabularies ←
18:23:47 <yaso> phila: it's not complete
Phil Archer: it's not complete ←
18:23:51 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting
Phil Archer: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting ←
18:23:51 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting ←
18:24:54 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:25:06 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
18:25:19 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
18:25:55 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: the quality annotation is missing
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the quality annotation is missing ←
18:26:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
18:27:07 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q- ←
18:27:17 <BernadetteLoscio> ack BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
18:27:27 <BernadetteLoscio> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
18:29:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:29:12 <BernadetteLoscio> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
18:30:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:31:18 <yaso> RiccardoAlbertoni: actually its like if we had it
Riccardo Albertoni: actually its like if we had it ←
18:31:32 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:31:53 <yaso> ... that's why I'm saying that in terms of incompatibility i don't see many issues
... that's why I'm saying that in terms of incompatibility i don't see many issues ←
18:32:21 <yaso> ... we selected some different (?) but this is not an issue, I think
... we selected some different (?) but this is not an issue, I think ←
18:33:23 <BernadetteLoscio> ack eric
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack eric ←
18:34:20 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:34:41 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting Updated diagram
Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting Updated diagram ←
18:34:43 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
18:35:38 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
18:35:53 <BernadetteLoscio> ack phil
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack phil ←
18:36:53 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q- ←
18:38:25 <phila> OK, try this https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/File:Bothvocabs.png
Phil Archer: OK, try this https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/File:Bothvocabs.png ←
18:39:10 <ericstephan> Very nice phila !
Eric Stephan: Very nice phila ! ←
18:39:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Ok, thanks phil the exercise is actually useful :)
Riccardo Albertoni: Ok, thanks phil the exercise is actually useful :) ←
18:39:18 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:42:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:42:17 <yaso> SumitPurohit: before we explain more about it, has anyone any comment about it?
Sumit Purohit: before we explain more about it, has anyone any comment about it? ←
18:42:44 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: we are reusing something, I'm not sure if CITO is a standard, if we should reuse
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are reusing something, I'm not sure if CITO is a standard, if we should reuse ←
18:42:47 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio,
BernadetteLoscio, ←
18:42:59 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:43:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:43:03 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: because we can define our own class for citation
Bernadette Farias Loscio: because we can define our own class for citation ←
18:43:07 <yaso> ack ericstephan
ack ericstephan ←
18:43:22 <ericstephan> http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net
Eric Stephan: http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net ←
18:43:42 <yaso> ericstephan: I don't know if people are familiar with
Eric Stephan: I don't know if people are familiar with ←
18:44:07 <yaso> ericstephan: I think CITO is sufficient
Eric Stephan: I think CITO is sufficient ←
18:44:14 <SumitPurohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
18:44:20 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> CITO has an object property called "cites as data source"
Giancarlo Guizzardi: CITO has an object property called "cites as data source" ←
18:44:23 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
18:45:06 <yaso> SumitPurohit: in my head, the 1st question is:can we loose something using CITO?
Sumit Purohit: in my head, the 1st question is:can we loose something using CITO? ←
18:45:09 <BernadetteLoscio> ack SumitPurohit
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack SumitPurohit ←
18:45:19 <BernadetteLoscio> ack phila
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack phila ←
18:45:23 <yaso> phila: if we know this is widely used and the field is very good
Phil Archer: if we know this is widely used and the field is very good ←
18:45:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
18:46:21 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline ←
18:46:39 <BernadetteLoscio> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
18:47:06 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: i did know CiOT and there's interesting things here
Giancarlo Guizzardi: i did know CiOT and there's interesting things here ←
18:47:16 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:47:30 <yaso> ... i'm sure that you already mentioned this, bit the relation between
... i'm sure that you already mentioned this, bit the relation between ←
18:48:00 <yaso> ... citation act is a per-formative act, which is quite general
... citation act is a per-formative act, which is quite general ←
18:48:02 <annette_g> present + annette_g
Annette Greiner: present + annette_g ←
18:48:15 <yaso> ... maybe this is a way to represent by feedback
... maybe this is a way to represent by feedback ←
18:48:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:48:33 <yaso> ... and more suitable to do what we what that it does
... and more suitable to do what we what that it does ←
18:48:43 <phila> -> http://search.crossref.org/?q=10.1103%2FPhysRevD.89.032002 CrossRef search based on a DOI
Phil Archer: -> http://search.crossref.org/?q=10.1103%2FPhysRevD.89.032002 CrossRef search based on a DOI ←
18:48:51 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
18:48:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila
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18:50:20 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:50:29 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan ←
18:51:57 <ericstephan> +1 I agree
Eric Stephan: +1 I agree ←
18:52:00 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:53:28 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
18:53:33 <BernadetteLoscio> ack eric
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack eric ←
18:53:47 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan ←
18:54:11 <SumitPurohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
18:54:40 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks Bart!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks Bart! ←
18:55:07 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
18:55:08 <ericstephan> +1 Sumit to not going too generalized
Eric Stephan: +1 Sumit to not going too generalized ←
18:55:11 <phila> ack s
Phil Archer: ack s ←
18:56:07 <BernadetteLoscio> ack phila
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack phila ←
18:57:44 <phila> :thisCitation
Phil Archer: :thisCitation ←
18:57:44 <phila> a duv:Citation;
Phil Archer: a duv:Citation; ←
18:57:44 <phila> cito:hasCitingEntity :dataset-03312004;
Phil Archer: cito:hasCitingEntity :dataset-03312004; ←
18:57:44 <phila> cito:hasCitedEntity :paperA;
Phil Archer: cito:hasCitedEntity :paperA; ←
18:57:44 <phila> .
Phil Archer: . ←
18:57:50 <SumitPurohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
18:58:03 <phila> ack s
Phil Archer: ack s ←
18:58:46 <ericstephan> http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties
Eric Stephan: http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties ←
18:58:49 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:58:58 <SumitPurohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
18:59:02 <SumitPurohit> +1 to phil
Sumit Purohit: +1 to phil ←
18:59:18 <Caroline> 04578-000
Caroline Burle: +1 to phil ←
18:59:31 <Caroline> s/04578-000/+1 to phil
19:00:21 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
19:00:37 <SumitPurohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
19:00:44 <yaso> q+
q+ ←
19:01:26 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:01:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
19:02:20 <yaso> -q
-q ←
19:02:33 <ericstephan> http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties
Eric Stephan: http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties ←
19:03:34 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
19:05:10 <phila> action: sumit to investigate the relationship between DQV and DUV wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation
ACTION: sumit to investigate the relationship between DQV and DUV wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation ←
19:05:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Investigate the relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-10-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-210 - Investigate the relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-10-02]. ←
19:05:15 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan ←
19:05:34 <newtonca_> q+ to close action-204
Newton Calegari: q+ to close ACTION-204 ←
19:05:51 <BernadetteLoscio> ack SumitPurohit
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack SumitPurohit ←
19:06:01 <phila> ack r
Phil Archer: ack r ←
19:06:18 <BernadetteLoscio> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
19:06:22 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
19:06:50 <newtonca_> q-
Newton Calegari: q- ←
19:07:03 <newtonca_> q+ to ask to close action-206
Newton Calegari: q+ to ask to close ACTION-206 ←
19:08:07 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
19:08:17 <nandana> +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. It seems citations are a bit similar to incoming and outgoing links in data. At least we measure those a lot for quality.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. It seems citations are a bit similar to incoming and outgoing links in data. At least we measure those a lot for quality. ←
19:08:34 <phila> Topic: HCLS Dataset Description
19:08:35 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/hcls-dataset/
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/hcls-dataset/ ←
19:09:24 <ericstephan> it uses cito
Eric Stephan: it uses cito ←
19:09:44 <phila> Yes, it uses CiTO, PAV, DCAT etc.
Phil Archer: Yes, it uses CiTO, PAV, DCAT etc. ←
19:09:50 <phila> And it covers versioning etc.
Phil Archer: And it covers versioning etc. ←
19:10:08 <phila> Topic: Wrapping Up
19:10:30 <phila> ericstephan: We need to incorporate all the comments and get a new version out of the door as soon as we can.
Eric Stephan: We need to incorporate all the comments and get a new version out of the door as soon as we can. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
19:10:40 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We're planning a new draft of the docs in early November
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We're planning a new draft of the docs in early November [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
19:10:45 <ericstephan> perhaps even before tpac?
Eric Stephan: perhaps even before tpac? ←
19:10:55 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Thanks everyone!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks everyone! [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
19:11:05 <newtonca_> may we close action-204 and action-206 ?
Newton Calegari: may we close ACTION-204 and ACTION-206 ? ←
19:11:12 <ericstephan> Great job everyone and safe travels!
Eric Stephan: Great job everyone and safe travels! ←
19:11:14 <yaso> thanks phila and phila for coming!
thanks phila and phila for coming! ←
19:11:16 <phila> deirdrelee: Thanks everyone for joining in over the last two days. We have got through a lot, closed a lot of issues etc.
Deirdre Lee: Thanks everyone for joining in over the last two days. We have got through a lot, closed a lot of issues etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
19:11:26 <phila> ... Not it's the home stretch
Phil Archer: ... Not it's the home stretch ←
19:11:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Thanks, Eric. This was very productive and fun
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Thanks, Eric. This was very productive and fun ←
19:11:36 <phila> ... need to get the next drafts out. CR etc.
Phil Archer: ... need to get the next drafts out. CR etc. ←
19:11:40 <yaso> and thanks for those who attended remotely :-D
and thanks for those who attended remotely :-D ←
19:11:50 <ericstephan> Thank you Giancarlo_Guizzardi wow loved your insights!
Eric Stephan: Thank you Giancarlo_Guizzardi wow loved your insights! ←
19:12:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Thank guys. it is always very interesting discuss with the group :) Enjoy drinks and sao paolo
Riccardo Albertoni: Thank guys. it is always very interesting discuss with the group :) Enjoy drinks and sao paolo ←
19:12:20 <annette_g> thanks, guys!
Annette Greiner: thanks, guys! ←
19:12:32 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Great! I appreciate that. Looking forward to interact more with you guys in the future
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Great! I appreciate that. Looking forward to interact more with you guys in the future ←
19:12:35 <nandana> Thanks and bye all !!
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Thanks and bye all !! ←
19:12:49 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Bye!
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Bye! ←
19:12:49 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
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19:12:55 <annette_g> bye!
Annette Greiner: bye! ←
19:12:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye!
Riccardo Albertoni: bye! ←
19:13:05 <newtonca_> close action-204
Newton Calegari: close ACTION-204 ←
19:13:05 <trackbot> Closed action-204.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-204. ←
19:13:09 <newtonca_> close action-206
Newton Calegari: close ACTION-206 ←
19:13:09 <trackbot> Closed action-206.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-206. ←
19:14:32 <phila> regrets+ Steve, Hadley
Phil Archer: regrets+ Steve, Hadley ←
19:14:43 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
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