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<trackbot> Date: 10 December 2013
<clown> RRSAgent: make logs public
<scribe> scribe: MichaelC
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Dec/0005.html
(http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2013OctDec/0001.html)
and transition to CR
(http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Dec/0009.html).
ACTION-1312).
<trackbot> ACTION-1312 -- James Craig to Change presentation example from <span> to generic <example> element which does not have the same baggage as span, with varying cross-browser implementations. -- due 2013-12-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1312
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/17
js: We sent formal responses to comments from Gnome A11Y group
minor edits to UAIG
most put off to 1.1
group has consensus to proceed to CR
mc: need to record formal consensus tomorrow
js: will add note to draft
<clown> "Roles given in this document for ATK and for AT-SPI were implemented at the time of publication. However, the maintainers of <a href="#ref_ATK>ATK</a> and of <a href="#ref_AT-SPI>AT-SPI</a> have informed W3C that they have re-engineered several of the roles listed in this specification. Developers are, therefore, strongly urged to consult the most current implementation specification draft for current, preferred values."
<clown> issue-629?
<trackbot> issue-629 -- Unable to test ie11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of msaa column -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629
cs: have been testing
unclear right now if failures are because of IE bug or UAIG bug
only failures are that start / end menu events not getting sent
maybe that´s old / deprecated
maybe we can just remove those from the table?
mc: does that impact other UAs?
<not sure>
mc: we changed risk statement from removing, to making informative
cs: ok, can live with that, at least it would still be there
seems hard editorially to make just one row informative?
mc: yes
cs: seems ok to proceed with current risk statement then
revisit in 1.1
js: need this by 17 Jan?
mc: that´s for new implementations to make themselves known
for existing ones, there might be wiggle room
but not much if we want to publish in 28 Jan
js: Webkit might make the timeline
cs: haven´t yet filed a bug, still trying to determine if this was intentional change
js: MK noted Firefox re-implemented role=presentation
turned into huge string
<clown> action-1311?
<trackbot> action-1311 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists; work out in UAIG 1.1 and with implementors/vendors how to resolve this. -- due 2014-01-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311
so created this action for 1.1
clarify that when stripping table structure, concatenate the strings
<clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435
have separate nodes for each string
<clown> IA2_ROLE_TEXTFRAME
cs: IE effectively turns table elements into span
FF has fixed by putting above in for each TD
seems to work for AT
don´t know about linux version though
rs: Rich wants to split UAIG into a core and peripheral modules
ARIA module would be core
then HTML and SVG would be peripherals
cs: need bigger discussion on this
mc: yes, at FtF in Jan
personally ok with core + modules but don´t think ARIA is the core
hard to define what is
not sure we can decide much in this caucus, need consensus of PFWG and affected groups
js: and browser implementers
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
cs: not ready to think about 1.1 yet ;)
js: no point covering this, the energy´s not there today
our quorum is a bit light
js: will be here 17 Dec, then away, back for 7 Jan
cs: similar
mc: similar
js: so that´ll be the meeting schedule, 17 Dec, then off, resume 7 Jan
next week might be short
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