W3C

WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference

14 Nov 2013

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Attendees

Present
Shadi, Vivienne, Martijn, Kathy, Moe, Detlev, Gavin, Richard, Alistair, Tim
Regrets
Eric
Chair
Shadi
Scribe
Richard

Contents


Introductions

Gavin is from wales and works on accessibility issues with local authorities etc

Updated Working Draft

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/

shadi: hopefully this will be the last draft. We need to get this document reviewed by various working groups so I hiope we can do a survey

The first few sections of teh draft are more or less stable

The last section (performance evaluation) we are still working on

Our goal is to get it together by next week so that we can review in paralel wirth the working groups

We will be looking at Abstract, Introduction, Use and Scope

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131111#abstract

Martijn: Some of the language is a litte hard to understand - can someone with good English go through it

Martin: Sentences tend to have too many points in them

Martijn: Perhaps better use of comas and simplification

Moe: I can help with reviewing

Detlev: Perhaps just first sentence needs review. I think we need extra text for dynamic states and for mobile techniques?

Shadi: Editorial - I like it when people start nit-picking - it means we are making progress

<Detlev> I can submit a paragraph on page states...

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/

Shadi: Second point re mobile - we have added some guidance, but we need to look at this more carefully and we are working on it.

Shadi: WCAG has launched a mobile task force - Kathy is facilitator, we do need to cover it as far as we can

Kathy: Task force for mobile techniques starts next week. Going to collect resources for mobile. Goal to write techniques for mobile accessibiliy

<Detlev> Kathy can you repeat the time of the call of mobile-a11y TF?

Kathy also at applications as well as web-sites

Kathy: Not juts techniques for WCAG, but also design

<shadi> Tuesday 9am US Eastern, 3pm CET, 2pm UK

Kathy: Responsive design - I will have a look and send some suggestions, how to pick pages etc.

Introduction

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131111#introduction

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131111#context

Shadi: Trying to frame overall document, what it does and does not provide. Importance is relations with WCAG

<Detlev> yes

Shadi: Relatons to WCAG Conformance Claim

<Detlev> sounds great to me!

<shadi> good to know!

<Detlev> I also think "guidance on evaluating the extent of conformance of websites" in the abstract just about nails it.

Vivienne: Second para - perhaps a bit stilted

<Detlev> ...leads to...

Shadi: Need to think more about that - can Vivienne send ideas?

Vivienne: I will send some editorial suggestions over the weekend

Using the methodology

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131111#usage

Shadi: Hopefull this is not a controversial section
... The output shoudl be a report on how well the site perfomes - not a simple pass/fail

agarrison: Try to get all the ideas cohesive.

Vivienne: First sentence - conformance - not talking about total conformance, would prefer a statement to effect WEM would report on the level of accessibility

Shadi: Maybe less is more. We want to say that WEM is a more thorough process

Detlev: Is extent of conformance absolute (100%)? Maybe better to say guidance on level of compliance. We know that it is rare for any site to fully conform

Shadi: Alistair - can you identify areas you want action on?

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131111#applicability

Scope of Applicability

Shadi: which sort of website this applies to
... Please have a more detailed look at these 4 section this week
... Volunteers welcome to undertake more detailed look at a particular section.

Any volunteers ?

<Detlev> will send stuff on selecting page states - I must leave now, sorry! Detlev

<Vivienne> I'm happy to take a section

Moe: I will take scope of applicability

Kathy: I will wait to see what is left
... I will look at abstract

<Vivienne> I'll look at the Relation to WCAG 2.0 Conformance Claims

Shadi: Lets try to get a wiki going. I will send round details

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: agarrison to submit comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/14-eval-minutes.html#action01]
 
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