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16:57:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:57:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
16:57:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:57:53 <trackbot> Date: 07 November 2013
16:58:10 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0234.html
16:58:22 <chrislowis> Zakim, what's the code?
16:58:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 28346 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chrislowis
16:58:27 <olivier> Agenda+ Review action items
16:58:35 <olivier> Agenda+ Timeline for the implementation of recent resolutions
16:58:44 <olivier> Agenda+ (the rest of the) data races
16:58:51 <olivier> Agenda+ oscillatornode phase
16:59:01 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has now started
16:59:24 <chrislowis> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:59:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
16:59:56 <chrislowis> Odd, I'm on the call.
17:00:15 <olivier> zakim, this is audio
17:00:15 <Zakim> olivier, this was already RWC_Audio()12:00PM
17:00:16 <Zakim> ok, olivier; that matches RWC_Audio()12:00PM
17:00:24 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
17:00:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, chrislowis, colinbdclark, cwilso, marcosc, paul___irish, olivier, heathjs, rtoyg, trackbot, mdjp, padenot
17:00:47 <padenot> olivier: I won't be attending today
17:00:57 <padenot> (I'm still on vacations)
17:01:03 <olivier> ok, no prob
17:01:05 <cwilso> zakim, who is here?
17:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:01:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, chrislowis, colinbdclark, cwilso, marcosc, paul___irish, olivier, heathjs, rtoyg, trackbot, mdjp, padenot
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17:01:39 <jernoble> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:01:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:01:51 <jernoble> zakim, odd, as I am on the phone.
17:01:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'odd, as I am on the phone', jernoble
17:01:59 <cwilso> heheh.  Zakim's obviously disconnected from the phone system.
17:02:17 <jernoble> Zakim, that one guy on the phone is me.
17:02:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'that one guy on the phone is me', jernoble
17:03:53 <olivier> Regrets: padenot, shepazu
17:04:18 <chrislowis> ScribeNick: chrislowis
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17:06:10 <chrislowis> olivier: let's get going.
17:06:21 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:06:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review action items" taken up [from olivier]
17:06:53 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/266
17:07:06 <chrislowis> olivier: item 2 is covered by issue 266 on github, about tracking disconnect behaviours.
17:07:08 <olivier> close ACTION-82
17:07:08 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-82.
17:07:29 <chrislowis> olivier: next is action 66 on chrislowis, to look into dezippering.
17:08:40 <olivier> close ACTION-66
17:08:40 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-66.
17:09:07 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Contributing
17:09:08 <chrislowis> chrislowis: I put together a little demo to show to people not as involved with the group what de-zippering is. Suggest we continue on the list.
17:09:46 <chrislowis> olivier: I put together a new section on contributing to the group on the wiki, which closes the action item assigned to chrislowis.
17:10:00 <cwilso> Ray is now in the room with me.
17:10:06 <olivier> close ACTION-69
17:10:06 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-69.
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17:10:58 <olivier> ACTION-70 due in 2 weeks
17:10:58 <trackbot> Set ACTION-70 Look into migrating all webaudio issues from bugzilla to github due date to 2013-11-21.
17:11:10 <chrislowis> olivier: I haven't closed all the bugzilla tickets, because that will spam everyone.
17:11:25 <chrislowis> olivier: I will try to grab someone in Shenzen next week to see if they can help.
17:11:40 <olivier> ACTION-78 due in 2 weeks
17:11:40 <trackbot> Set ACTION-78 Make sure web platform docs has up to date doc on web audio due date to 2013-11-21.
17:11:52 <chrislowis> olivier: I haven't heard from Doug about the next issue, so will try him again in a couple of weeks. (Action 78)
17:12:49 <chrislowis> olivier: I haven't heard anything back from the TAG about our review of their issues, so I'll try to find someone from the TAG at TPAC. I'd still like us to have a joint call with the TAG to go through the issues, but that is still pending.
17:12:49 <olivier> ACTION-81 due in 4 weeks
17:12:49 <trackbot> Set ACTION-81 Contact tag, point them to tag issues in github, continue conversation there due date to 2013-12-05.
17:13:11 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 1
17:13:11 <Zakim> agendum 1, Review action items, closed
17:13:12 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:13:12 <Zakim> 2. Timeline for the implementation of recent resolutions [from olivier]
17:13:37 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
17:13:37 <Zakim> agendum 3. "(the rest of the) data races" taken up [from olivier]
17:13:44 <chrislowis> olivier: I'm going to skip agendum 2, as padenot is not here. So straight to the 3.
17:13:51 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254#issuecomment-26590612
17:14:57 <chrislowis> olivier: there were a number of issues in the bucket of "visible data races". We got resolution around AudioBuffer. As padenot mentioned a couple of weeks ago there's still some other issues that have come up in our discussion of data races.
17:15:28 <chrislowis> The comment above from padenot on github discusses the remaining issues.
17:16:03 <cwilso> q+
17:16:10 <olivier> ack c
17:16:13 <chrislowis> olivier: so today, I want us to decide whether these issues are high priority or not, and if yes, what do the people on the call think about the issues.
17:16:20 <chrislowis> cwilso: I do think we should be solving these now.
17:16:28 <chrislowis> cwilso: we should get the issue out of the way.
17:17:23 <chrislowis> cwilso: of the proposals that padenot made, the only one I think is contentious is the audio Processing one. I need to talk to rtoyg_ about that.
17:17:58 <chrislowis> olivier: so of the 4 proposals that padenot made have at least 2 backers, including padenot. Anyone else have an opinion?
17:18:21 <chrislowis> joe: I think they both make a lot of sense. I don't think there's a lot of utility in allowing those arrays to be mutable on an ongoing basis.
17:19:15 <chrislowis> olivier: cwilso, as a result of this discussion, would you be able to document on github that there was consensus, minus the AudioProcessing event which is pending?
17:19:17 <chrislowis> cwilso: sure.
17:20:35 <chrislowis> cwilso: re the AudioProcessing event, padenot's proposal was that a new audiobuffer would be used for every call to the audioprocessing event.
17:21:00 <chrislowis> joe: if we're tidying up script processor node, then resolutions there could make this issue mute
17:21:07 <chrislowis> cwilso: I'm no sure I understand?
17:21:25 <olivier> s/mute/moot/
17:22:31 <chrislowis> joe: it might, in that if we wind up making strong statements about inter-thread communication and script processor node, about how data is passed around. In that case their can't be modifications to the script outside the scope. I have an instinct about that, but I'm not sure how it will go.
17:23:11 <chrislowis> olivier: what I'm understanding is that there might be in one of the potential solutions, an impact on this issue. Is it worth splitting the AudioProcessing issue out so that we can track it separately?
17:24:23 <chrislowis> olivier: cwilso, if you don't mind, could you split out the issue when you document it?
17:24:26 <chrislowis> cwilso: ok.
17:24:49 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 3
17:24:49 <Zakim> agendum 3, (the rest of the) data races, closed
17:24:50 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:24:50 <Zakim> 2. Timeline for the implementation of recent resolutions [from olivier]
17:24:58 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 4
17:24:58 <Zakim> agendum 4. "oscillatornode phase" taken up [from olivier]
17:26:11 <chrislowis> rtoyg: all of the other waveform are zero at t=0, except for the triangle wave.
17:26:34 <chrislowis> rtoyg: which has value 1 at t-0
17:26:39 <chrislowis> s/t-0/t=0
17:27:39 <chrislowis> rtoyg: I'm not sure why chris r did it this way, but there are different ways of defining it.
17:28:19 <chrislowis> cwilso: there is some debate about where triangle should start (leading raising or leading falling).
17:28:33 <chrislowis> olivier: no one will care about what we decide?
17:29:01 <chrislowis> cwilso: I think if we declare that the answer is one of the standardly accepted. If we pick one of the logical answers we're fine.
17:29:24 <chrislowis> cwilso: I think rtoyg is right, we should make it like the others. Start at zero and have a positive leading edge.
17:29:43 <chrislowis> olivier: sounds good, if you can answer the issue in github, and create a pull request, that would be good.
17:29:54 <chrislowis> rtoyg: ok, I'll do that.
17:30:11 <olivier> ACTION: rtoyg to document decision on triangle waveform starting at 0, positive slant
17:30:11 <trackbot> Error finding 'rtoyg'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/users>.
17:30:16 <olivier> ACTION: rtoy to document decision on triangle waveform starting at 0, positive slant
17:30:16 <trackbot> Error finding 'rtoy'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/users>.
17:30:26 <olivier> ACTION: ray to document decision on triangle waveform starting at 0, positive slant
17:30:26 <trackbot> Error finding 'ray'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/users>.
17:30:36 <olivier> ACTION: Raymond Toy to document decision on triangle waveform starting at 0, positive slant
17:30:36 <trackbot> Error finding 'Raymond'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/users>.
17:31:28 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 4
17:31:28 <Zakim> agendum 4, oscillatornode phase, closed
17:31:29 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:31:29 <Zakim> 2. Timeline for the implementation of recent resolutions [from olivier]
17:32:23 <chrislowis> olivier: we could take up issue 2, but we don't have all of the editors.
17:32:27 <cwilso> agenda+ to ask for timeline on publishing of web midi
17:32:33 <chrislowis> olivier: or we could adjurn.
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17:32:36 <chrislowis> olivier: or aob?
17:32:46 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 5
17:32:46 <Zakim> agendum 5. "to ask for timeline on publishing of web midi" taken up [from cwilso]
17:33:29 <chrislowis> cwilso: I wanted to raise that at this point we have jussi who has said that he like all the edits I made - so I think we could go to another public working draft.
17:33:43 <chrislowis> cwilso: does the current moratorium due to TPAC end just after TPAC?
17:33:53 <chrislowis> olivier: let me have a quick look.
17:35:21 <chrislowis> olivier: we have consensus for publishing a new draft.
17:35:34 <chrislowis> RESOLUTION: publish a new draft of the Web MIDI specification
17:36:09 <chrislowis> olivier: and I'll look into the timescales of the when we publish
17:36:32 <chrislowis> olivier: I think we should work together on messaging this new draft.
17:37:19 <chrislowis> olivier: I know that there are discussions on-going about support for this new draft. But is there someway that we can ask for support from other implementors as well as ask for comments.
17:37:55 <chrislowis> cwilso: yes, I think we should announce that this draft is much closer to a finished spec, and that we should ask for feedback from others.
17:38:14 <chrislowis> olivier: typically that's what we'd do at last call. Is there a reason why we wouldn't go to last call?
17:38:30 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-midi-api/issues?state=open
17:38:57 <chrislowis> cwilso: we still have a few open issues. There are two that I need to sit down and try to work through.
17:39:16 <chrislowis> cwilso: we are working on our windows implementation right now, which should help resolve some issues.
17:39:32 <chrislowis> olivier: so we are likely to want to go to last call in the next draft, pending feedback.
17:39:41 <chrislowis> cwilso: yes, hopefully by the end of the year.
17:40:07 <olivier> Topic: next meeting
17:41:51 <chrislowis> olivier: looks like 21/11 is the next time. Can people make it?
17:42:35 <chrislowis> cwilso: I may not be able to, but I'd prefer to keep it in that week, and will try to make it.
17:42:47 <chrislowis> olivier: that's all I have for today.
17:42:49 <chrislowis> olivier: AOB?
17:43:07 <chrislowis> olivier: hearing none, the call is adjurned. We'll meet in 2 weeks.
17:43:22 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
17:43:23 <Zakim> Attendees were
17:43:48 <chrislowis> joe, cwilso, rtoyg, jernoble, chrislowis, olivier.
17:44:00 <chrislowis> (i think)
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