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<trackbot> Date: 15 October 2013
Argh, Zakim saying 2274# not valid
<scribe> scribe: janina
<MichaelC> needs to be modified in the UAIG.
<MichaelC> this really determine level based on aria-owns chain?
<MichaelC> MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading. Any change to UAIG?
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA&component=Platform%20APIs&list_id=3116
<MichaelC> between spec and uaig.
<clown> action-1255?
<trackbot> action-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due 2013-10-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
cyns: No progress yet
... Will do by Friday
... Requires a bit of research, will take it up now ...
<clown> issue-612?
<trackbot> issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
db: Still waiting on feedback
from Alex, expected in the office Wednesday
... Will finish by Friday
clown: Relates to several current problem test cases
db: Definitely an edge case ...
<clown> action-1261?
<trackbot> action-1261 -- Janina Sajka to Review atag last call number four -- due 2013-09-18 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1261
<clown> acton-1262
<clown> action-1262?
<trackbot> action-1262 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update 4.1. focus states and events table to clarify differences between platforms and dom/desktop/at focus. http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table -- due 2013-09-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1262
<clown> http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
clown: Annotated this. Hopefully,
a bit clearer
... Any objections?
db: +1
cyns: Can live with
[no objections]
cyns: We need to work on getting ARIA 2.0 outside the browser ...
<clown> action-1269?
<trackbot> action-1269 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Prefix bullet 2 of #keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant with "for platforms that expose an accessibility focus separately from the keyboard focus," -- due 2013-10-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1269
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant
clown: James asked to add the scoping clause
rich: What does that do to the user on the Mac?
clown: Know on Win and Lin ...
db: Believe Mac moving dom focus
somehow
... +1
cyns: +1
[no objections]
mc: Colon separates statement
from expected results ...
... @@ means we didn't know what to do when we created this
over a year ago ...
... Need DB's help to get this done
db: Need Joseph's help
mc: Some may require platform specific expertise
db: We need to fill all these?
mc: Yes, if normative statement.
If determined statement not normative, or changed then
not.
... Not all need testable statements, perhaps half need, but
some of those may need more than one testable statement
... Estimating 20 more
db: Believe I can at least provide meta answer of which I can help with by next meeting
mc: Probably only 1 or 2 specific to MSAA platforms
cyns: Can squeeze that in
clown: Doesn't seem any one person can figure which belong to which platform ... So need individuals to look for their own
<richardschwerdtfeger> dr. smith: Oh the pain, the pain
[negotiation on who can do what by when mindful of the looming publication deadline]
rich: How do we know which ones need work?
mc: @@ need statement
... ## are for me
rich: There are some blank @@
mc: Coresponds to a bullet, we
did not note what might be needed
... It may be that some of these @@'s are already covered, or
OBE
<clown> I count 10 @@s
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. Making a test file where missing would help. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1275 - Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. making a test file where missing would help. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-10-22].
<richardschwerdtfeger> AXTable
<richardschwerdtfeger> <nil>
<richardschwerdtfeger> 'table'
<clown> ACTION: David to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. Making a test file where missing would help. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1276 - Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. making a test file where missing would help. [on David Bolter - due 2013-10-22].
<davidb> (i won't have time to make test files)
<clown> ACTION: James Craig to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. Making a test file where missing would help. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> 'James' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jcraig, jhawkins2, jnurthen).
<richardschwerdtfeger> ROLE_SYSTEM_TABLE
<clown> ACTION: jcraig to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. Making a test file where missing would help. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-aapi-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1277 - Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. making a test file where missing would help. [on James Craig - due 2013-10-22].
<clown> ACTION-1175?
<trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to Status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
<clown> issue-564?
<trackbot> issue-564 -- ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT is not used role="heading" -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564
clown: Do we have a test case for this issue?
[discussion on various ways that heading levels are (and are not) handled]
<davidb> it is past the hour
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