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19:00:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:00:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start now
19:00:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:00:23 <trackbot> Date: 01 October 2013
19:00:32 <clown> RRSAgent:  make log public
19:01:03 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
19:01:10 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
19:01:21 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:21 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:01:27 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:27 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:32 <clown> scribenick:  clown
19:01:41 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:02:44 <clown> RRSAgent, make minutes
19:02:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/01-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:07:37 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
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19:15:36 <Zakim> +??P8
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19:16:08 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
19:16:40 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P8 is Michael_Cooper
19:16:40 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
19:18:56 <clown> RRSAgent:  stop log
19:18:56 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop log', clown.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
19:19:09 <MichaelC> rrsagent, stop
19:34:27 <clown> zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
19:34:27 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
19:34:40 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Sep/0014.html
19:34:57 <clown> CS:  I've done some of my tasks regarding IE11.
19:35:03 <clown> CS:  Let me look at my notes.
19:35:16 <clown> Topic:  ACTION-1255
19:35:20 <clown> action-1255?
19:35:20 <trackbot> action-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due 2013-09-28 -- OPEN
19:35:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
19:35:43 <clown> CS:  Treegrid in IE11 is mapped to DataGrid.
19:35:50 <clown> CS:  with a legacy role.
19:36:25 <clown> CS:  and the treeitem children are treeitem.
19:36:44 <clown> CS:  the experience in MSAA is weird:  a table with treeitems in it.
19:37:38 <clown> Topic: ACTION-1257
19:37:43 <clown> action-1257?
19:37:43 <trackbot> action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-28 -- OPEN
19:37:43 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
19:38:02 <cyns> 1257  IE11
19:38:14 <cyns> Treegrid is
19:38:23 <cyns> ControlType:	UIA_DataGridControlTypeId (0xC36C)
19:38:30 <cyns> LocalizedControlType:	"tree grid"
19:38:38 <cyns> LegacyIAccessible.Role:	table (0x18)
19:38:47 <cyns> Treeitem is
19:38:54 <cyns> ControlType:	UIA_TreeItemControlTypeId (0xC368)
19:39:00 <cyns> LocalizedControlType:	"tree item"
19:39:11 <cyns> LegacyIAccessible.Role:	outline item (0x24)
19:40:00 <clown> JS:  right now, the UAIG says:
19:40:19 <clown> JS:  MSAA+UIAExpress:  treegrid maps to ROLE_SYSTEM_CELL.
19:40:32 <clown> UIA:  maps to DataItem.
19:41:08 <clown> MSAA+UIAExpress:  treeitem maps to ROLE_SYSTEM_OUTLINEITEM
19:41:21 <clown> UIA:  treeitem maps to TreeItem
19:43:01 <clown> JS:  So, for MSAA+UIExpress don't use MSAA values, just use UIA.
19:43:33 <clown> JS:  So:  treegrid is mapped as DataGrid, and treeitem is mapped as TreeItem
19:44:34 <clown> JS:  Also, currently for pure UIA table says use "DataItem".
19:44:40 <clown> CS:  that's wrong.
19:44:50 <clown> CS:  use "DataGrid".
19:46:10 <clown> CS:  for treegrid
19:46:55 <clown> CS:  I think it is fine to make the change. IE11 is newer,
19:47:10 <clown> CS:  I'll have to work on IE10 in the meantime.
19:49:27 <clown> Topic:  action-1269
19:49:33 <clown> action-1269?
19:49:33 <trackbot> action-1269 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Prefix bullet 2 of #keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant with "for platforms that expose an accessibility focus separately from the keyboard focus," -- due 2013-10-07 -- OPEN
19:49:33 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1269
19:52:26 <clown> JS:  Change "keyboard focus" to "dom focus"
19:52:29 <clown> CS:  yes.
19:52:41 <clown> CS: also ,..
19:53:08 <cyns> for platforms that expose desktop (or OS) focus separately from DOM focus
19:54:25 <cyns> or "for platforms that expose operating system focus separately from DOM focus"
19:54:26 <clown> CS:  in windows, the focus events are not just a11y focus events, but desktop focus events.
19:54:46 <clown> for platforms that expose operating system focus or a11y focus separately from DOM focus
19:56:13 <clown> for platforms that expose operating system focus (windows) or a11y focus (linxu) separately from DOM focus
19:58:16 <clown> "For Windows, there is no separate a11y focus, but there is a separate desktop focus, that is set by IE and FF — separate from the DOM focus"
20:01:12 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1269
20:02:38 <clown> document.activeElement
20:04:05 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
20:04:31 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
20:04:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/01-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:06:04 <clown> Regrets:  David_Bolter
20:06:14 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
20:06:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/01-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:12:27 <clown> zakim, please part
20:12:27 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Michael_Cooper, Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly
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20:12:34 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
20:12:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/01-aapi-minutes.html clown
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