IRC log of dap on 2013-09-26
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be DAP
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- "DAP" matches Team_(dap-cr)13:00Z, and UW_DAP()10:00AM, trackbot
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- Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 26 September 2013
- 13:22:54 [fjh]
- Regrets+ Josh_Soref
- 13:23:56 [fjh]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/0058.html
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- fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/0058.html
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- Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
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- Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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- ScribeNick: fjh
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- Regrets+ Jean-Claude_Dufourd
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 13:27:39 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
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- Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
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- Network Service Discovery WD published 24 Sept, http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-discovery-api-20130924/
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is me
- 13:58:02 [Zakim]
- sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
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- zakim, who is here?
- 13:58:18 [Zakim]
- sorry, fjh, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
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- zakim, this will be DAP
- 13:58:23 [Zakim]
- ok, fjh, I see UW_DAP()10:00AM already started
- 13:58:28 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:58:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [IPcaller]
- 13:58:31 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
- 13:58:31 [fjh]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is me
- 13:58:31 [Zakim]
- +fjh; got it
- 13:58:37 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:58:37 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see fjh
- 13:58:38 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
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- +??P11
- 14:00:31 [dom]
- Zakim, ??P11 is me
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- +dom; got it
- 14:01:00 [gmandyam]
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- + +1.858.750.aaaa
- 14:01:09 [gmandyam]
- Zakim, aaaa is gmandyam
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- +gmandyam; got it
- 14:01:13 [anssik]
- Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
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- +LisaDeLuca_IBM
- 14:01:20 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:01:20 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see fjh, dom, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM
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- On IRC I see gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, Zakim, RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
- 14:02:06 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
- @dom, are you also on the web and mobile interest group?
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- +??P18
- 14:02:31 [anssik]
- zakim, ??P18 is me
- 14:02:31 [Zakim]
- +anssik; got it
- 14:02:45 [dom]
- Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
- 14:02:49 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
- Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
- 14:03:10 [fjh]
- Topic: Minutes approval
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- Approve minutes from 19 September 2013
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/att-0035/minutes-2013-09-19.html
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- RESOLUTION: Minutes from 19 September 2013 are approved
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- Topic: Proximity and Light
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- CR transition was approved for proximity and light
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- fjh: CR transition was approved for light and proximity
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- … question came up regarding names in proximity, DeviceProximityEvent , UserProximityEvent
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- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/default/proximity/Overview.html
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- … question as to whether names are appropriate or possible to change
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- … should it be distance or object sensed
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- fjh: is there a usability concern, does it affect implementations
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- anssik: naming needs to be consistent with events and all the way through, has been implemented
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- dom: yes, need feedback from Mozilla re how widely this is used, whether change is possible
- 14:08:00 [fjh]
- action: fjh to ask on list regarding proximity naming question
- 14:08:01 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-661 - Ask on list regarding proximity naming question [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-10-03].
- 14:09:29 [fjh]
- fjh: we've agreed to publish CR then if we need to make change can loop back to LC if needed
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- fjh: next step is publication request, drafts are ready I believe
- 14:10:05 [Zakim]
- + +1.781.362.aabb
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- anssik: yes they are ready
- 14:10:12 [Cathy]
- zakim, aabb is me
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- +Cathy; got it
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- Present+ Cathy_Chan
- 14:10:26 [fjh]
- action: fjh to make publication request for Light and Proximity
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- Created ACTION-662 - Make publication request for light and proximity [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-10-03].
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- Topic: Vibration
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- issue-146?
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- issue-146 -- Add vibration strength control -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/146
- 14:11:08 [fjh]
- ISSUE-149?
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- ISSUE-149 -- handling of long vibration list - truncate or no vibration at all -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/149
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- ISSUE-150?
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- ISSUE-150 -- Should vibration be additive when multiple instances, e.g. iframes -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/150
- 14:11:37 [fjh]
- fjh: I believe these remain open for discussion on list
- 14:11:43 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
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- Topic: Network Service Discovery
- 14:11:56 [fjh]
- fjh: WD has been published
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- fjh: now that we have publication I will follow up with Web & TV IG review, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0063.html
- 14:12:29 [gmandyam]
- Has a call-for-exclusions on NSD gone out?
- 14:13:00 [gmandyam]
- Got it - thanks?
- 14:13:06 [fjh]
- dom: goes out for FPWD, LC not updates to WD
- 14:13:07 [gmandyam]
- Got it -thanks
- 14:13:35 [fjh]
- ISSUE-130?
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- ISSUE-130 -- Enable variety of protocols (e.g. UPnP, Bonour) with protocol independent developer code -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/130
- 14:13:39 [fjh]
- ISSUE-131?
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- ISSUE-131 -- Support UPnP device discovery by Device Type? -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/131
- 14:13:45 [fjh]
- ISSUE-133?
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- ISSUE-133 -- Fix UPnP events subscription and unsubscription -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/133
- 14:13:49 [fjh]
- ISSUE-134?
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- ISSUE-134 -- Rename NetworkServices and NetworkService events -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/134
- 14:13:50 [dom]
- -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-cfe/2012Aug/0003.html Call for Exclusions: Networked Service Discovery and Messaging
- 14:13:56 [fjh]
- ISSUE-147?
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- ISSUE-147 -- Reference 'Requirements for Home Networking Scenarios' in Introduction -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/147
- 14:14:01 [fjh]
- ISSUE-148?
- 14:14:01 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-148 -- NetworkService.name definition in 8.2.2.4 incoherent with definition in 7.1 (a human-readable title for the service) -- open
- 14:14:01 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/148
- 14:14:05 [fjh]
- ISSU-151?
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- ISSUE-151?
- 14:14:14 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-151 -- USN should not be used as device identifier -- open
- 14:14:14 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/151
- 14:14:30 [fjh]
- fjh: CORS discussion happening on list
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- fjh: discussion will continue on list
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- TOPIC: Network Information API
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- fjh: considering shelving, following up with Mounir
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- anssik: did internal survey, got some feedback, will bring to group
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- ISSUE-128?
- 14:15:39 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128
- 14:15:48 [fjh]
- Topic: Actions
- 14:16:01 [fjh]
- ACTION-523?
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- ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
- 14:16:23 [fjh]
- ACTION-645?
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- ACTION-645 -- Frederick Hirsch to Share Network Service Discovery editors draft with PING -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/645
- 14:16:35 [fjh]
- ACTION-652?
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- ACTION-652 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Make proposal on list regarding multiple vibration api invocations in frames for vibration -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
- 14:16:35 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/652
- 14:16:39 [fjh]
- ACTION-654?
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- ACTION-654 -- Jean-Claude Dufourd to Propose text for network service discovery to define wildcard api and feature detection -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/654
- 14:16:46 [fjh]
- ACTION-657?
- 14:16:46 [trackbot]
- ACTION-657 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Revise battery tests for idlharness, find qa person to help -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
- 14:16:46 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/657
- 14:16:56 [fjh]
- ACTION-658?
- 14:16:56 [trackbot]
- ACTION-658 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Review issue-149 get input on tradeoff of either failing or offering partial result (not all of request) -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
- 14:16:56 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/658
- 14:17:02 [fjh]
- ACTION-659?
- 14:17:02 [trackbot]
- ACTION-659 -- Frederick Hirsch to Review web notifications last call specification -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
- 14:17:02 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/659
- 14:17:06 [fjh]
- ACTION-660?
- 14:17:06 [trackbot]
- ACTION-660 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Determine interest in progressing network information api or not -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
- 14:17:06 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/660
- 14:17:23 [anssik]
- https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/306
- 14:17:32 [fjh]
- anssi: html media capture test cases being worked on
- 14:17:40 [fjh]
- anssik: battery, vibration
- 14:17:47 [fjh]
- s/anssi:/anssik://
- 14:17:58 [fjh]
- close ACTION-642
- 14:17:58 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-642.
- 14:18:02 [fjh]
- close ACTION-655
- 14:18:02 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-655.
- 14:18:09 [fjh]
- close ACTION-656
- 14:18:09 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-656.
- 14:18:14 [fjh]
- action-642?
- 14:18:14 [trackbot]
- action-642 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Review proximity and ambient light test cases -- due 2013-09-26 -- CLOSED
- 14:18:14 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/642
- 14:18:19 [fjh]
- action-655?
- 14:18:19 [trackbot]
- action-655 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update test for light :https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/916dbd5920d8 -- due 2013-09-11 -- CLOSED
- 14:18:19 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/655
- 14:18:25 [fjh]
- action-ACTION-656?
- 14:18:25 [trackbot]
- Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with that shortname.
- 14:18:30 [fjh]
- action-656?
- 14:18:30 [trackbot]
- action-656 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update proximity test for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/a6ad49819c41 -- due 2013-09-11 -- CLOSED
- 14:18:30 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/656
- 14:18:41 [fjh]
- anssik: will send email when tests are completed
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- Topic: Other Business
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- none
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- Topic: Adjourn
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- -dom
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- -anssik
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- -LisaDeLuca_IBM
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- -Cathy
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 14:20:15 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
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- -gmandyam
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- -fjh
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- UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were fjh, dom, +1.858.750.aaaa, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, anssik, +1.781.362.aabb, Cathy
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- Present+ Giri_ Mandyam
- 14:21:44 [fjh]
- s/@dom, are you also on the web and mobile interest group?//
- 14:22:05 [fjh]
- s/DeviceProximityEvent , UserProximityEvent/DeviceProximity , UserProximity/
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- s/Got it - thanks?//
- 14:22:39 [fjh]
- s/ISSU-151?//
- 14:22:56 [fjh]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 14:22:56 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
- 14:23:23 [fjh]
- Present- Giri_ Mandyam
- 14:23:29 [fjh]
- Present+ Giri_Mandyam
- 14:23:38 [fjh]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 14:23:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
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