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13:22:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:22:45 <Zakim> "DAP" matches Team_(dap-cr)13:00Z, and UW_DAP()10:00AM, trackbot
13:22:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:22:46 <trackbot> Date: 26 September 2013
13:22:54 <fjh> Regrets+ Josh_Soref
13:23:56 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/0058.html
13:24:08 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/0058.html
13:25:30 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
13:25:34 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
13:25:49 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
13:27:12 <fjh> Regrets+ Jean-Claude_Dufourd
13:27:39 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
13:27:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
13:46:24 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
13:46:40 <fjh> Network Service Discovery WD published 24 Sept, http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-discovery-api-20130924/
13:58:02 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:58:02 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
13:58:18 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:58:18 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I don't know what conference this is
13:58:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
13:58:23 <fjh> zakim, this will be DAP
13:58:23 <Zakim> ok, fjh, I see UW_DAP()10:00AM already started
13:58:28 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:58:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
13:58:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
13:58:31 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:58:31 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:58:37 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:58:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh
13:58:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
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14:00:28 <Zakim> +??P11
14:00:31 <dom> Zakim, ??P11 is me
14:00:31 <Zakim> +dom; got it
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14:01:00 <Zakim> + +1.858.750.aaaa
14:01:09 <gmandyam> Zakim, aaaa is gmandyam
14:01:09 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
14:01:13 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:01:18 <Zakim> +LisaDeLuca_IBM
14:01:20 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:01:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, dom, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM
14:01:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, Zakim, RRSAgent, tobie, fjh, dom, mounir, Josh_Soref, anssik, slightlyoff, trackbot
14:02:06 <LisaDeLuca_IBM> @dom, are you also on the web and mobile interest group?
14:02:23 <Zakim> +??P18
14:02:31 <anssik> zakim, ??P18 is me
14:02:31 <Zakim> +anssik; got it
14:02:45 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:02:49 <LisaDeLuca_IBM> Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
14:03:10 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
14:03:17 <fjh> Approve minutes from 19 September 2013
14:03:18 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/att-0035/minutes-2013-09-19.html
14:03:24 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 19 September 2013 are approved
14:03:32 <fjh> Topic: Proximity and Light
14:03:45 <fjh> CR transition was approved for proximity and light
14:04:44 <fjh> fjh: CR transition was approved for light and proximity
14:05:08 <fjh> … question came up regarding names in proximity,  DeviceProximityEvent , UserProximityEvent
14:05:15 <fjh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/default/proximity/Overview.html
14:05:34 <fjh> … question as to whether names are appropriate or possible to change
14:05:58 <fjh> … should it be distance or object sensed
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14:06:57 <fjh> fjh: is there a usability concern, does it affect implementations
14:07:30 <fjh> anssik: naming needs to be consistent with events and all the way through, has been implemented
14:07:50 <fjh> dom: yes, need feedback from Mozilla re how widely this is used, whether change is possible
14:08:00 <fjh> action: fjh to ask on list regarding proximity naming question
14:08:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-661 - Ask on list regarding proximity naming question [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-10-03].
14:09:29 <fjh> fjh: we've agreed to publish CR then if we need to make change can loop back to LC if needed
14:09:58 <fjh> fjh: next step is publication request, drafts are ready I believe
14:10:05 <Zakim> + +1.781.362.aabb
14:10:07 <fjh> anssik: yes they are ready
14:10:12 <Cathy> zakim, aabb is me
14:10:12 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:10:19 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:10:26 <fjh> action: fjh to make publication request for Light and Proximity
14:10:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-662 - Make publication request for light and proximity [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-10-03].
14:10:46 <fjh> Topic: Vibration
14:11:04 <fjh> issue-146?
14:11:04 <trackbot> issue-146 -- Add vibration strength control -- open
14:11:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/146
14:11:08 <fjh> ISSUE-149?
14:11:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-149 -- handling of long vibration list - truncate or no vibration at all -- open
14:11:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/149
14:11:13 <fjh> ISSUE-150?
14:11:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- Should vibration be additive when multiple instances, e.g. iframes -- open
14:11:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/150
14:11:37 <fjh> fjh: I believe these remain open for discussion on list
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14:11:50 <fjh> Topic: Network Service Discovery
14:11:56 <fjh> fjh: WD has been published
14:12:23 <fjh> fjh: now that we have publication I will follow up with Web & TV IG review,  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0063.html
14:12:29 <gmandyam> Has a call-for-exclusions on NSD gone out?
14:13:00 <gmandyam> Got it - thanks?
14:13:06 <fjh> dom: goes out for FPWD, LC not updates to WD
14:13:07 <gmandyam> Got it -thanks
14:13:35 <fjh> ISSUE-130?
14:13:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- Enable variety of protocols (e.g. UPnP, Bonour) with protocol independent developer code -- open
14:13:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/130
14:13:39 <fjh> ISSUE-131?
14:13:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Support UPnP device discovery by Device Type? -- open
14:13:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/131
14:13:45 <fjh> ISSUE-133?
14:13:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Fix UPnP events subscription and unsubscription -- open
14:13:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/133
14:13:49 <fjh> ISSUE-134?
14:13:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Rename NetworkServices and NetworkService events -- open
14:13:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/134
14:13:50 <dom> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-cfe/2012Aug/0003.html Call for Exclusions: Networked Service Discovery and Messaging
14:13:56 <fjh> ISSUE-147?
14:13:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- Reference 'Requirements for Home Networking Scenarios' in Introduction -- open
14:13:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/147
14:14:01 <fjh> ISSUE-148?
14:14:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- NetworkService.name definition in 8.2.2.4 incoherent with definition in 7.1 (a human-readable title for the service) -- open
14:14:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/148
14:14:05 <fjh> ISSU-151?
14:14:14 <fjh> ISSUE-151?
14:14:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- USN should not be used as device identifier -- open
14:14:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/151
14:14:30 <fjh> fjh: CORS discussion happening on list
14:14:48 <fjh> fjh: discussion will continue on list
14:15:00 <fjh> TOPIC: Network Information API
14:15:16 <fjh> fjh: considering shelving, following up with Mounir
14:15:30 <fjh> anssik: did internal survey, got some feedback, will bring to group
14:15:39 <fjh> ISSUE-128?
14:15:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated -- open
14:15:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128
14:15:48 <fjh> Topic: Actions
14:16:01 <fjh> ACTION-523?
14:16:01 <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
14:16:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
14:16:23 <fjh> ACTION-645?
14:16:23 <trackbot> ACTION-645 -- Frederick Hirsch to Share Network Service Discovery editors draft with PING -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
14:16:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/645
14:16:35 <fjh> ACTION-652?
14:16:35 <trackbot> ACTION-652 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Make proposal on list regarding multiple vibration api invocations in frames for vibration -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
14:16:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/652
14:16:39 <fjh> ACTION-654?
14:16:39 <trackbot> ACTION-654 -- Jean-Claude Dufourd to Propose text for network service discovery to define wildcard api and feature detection -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
14:16:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/654
14:16:46 <fjh> ACTION-657?
14:16:46 <trackbot> ACTION-657 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Revise battery tests for idlharness, find qa person to help -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
14:16:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/657
14:16:56 <fjh> ACTION-658?
14:16:56 <trackbot> ACTION-658 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Review issue-149 get input on tradeoff of either failing or offering partial result (not all of request) -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
14:16:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/658
14:17:02 <fjh> ACTION-659?
14:17:02 <trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Frederick Hirsch to Review web notifications last call specification -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
14:17:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/659
14:17:06 <fjh> ACTION-660?
14:17:06 <trackbot> ACTION-660 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Determine interest in progressing network information api or not -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
14:17:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/660
14:17:23 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/306
14:17:32 <fjh> anssi: html media capture test cases being worked on
14:17:40 <fjh> anssik: battery, vibration
14:17:47 <fjh> s/anssi:/anssik://
14:17:58 <fjh> close ACTION-642
14:17:58 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-642.
14:18:02 <fjh> close ACTION-655
14:18:02 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-655.
14:18:09 <fjh> close ACTION-656
14:18:09 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-656.
14:18:14 <fjh> action-642?
14:18:14 <trackbot> action-642 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Review proximity and ambient light test cases -- due 2013-09-26 -- CLOSED
14:18:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/642
14:18:19 <fjh> action-655?
14:18:19 <trackbot> action-655 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update test for light :https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/916dbd5920d8 -- due 2013-09-11 -- CLOSED
14:18:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/655
14:18:25 <fjh> action-ACTION-656?
14:18:25 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with that shortname.
14:18:30 <fjh> action-656?
14:18:30 <trackbot> action-656 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update proximity test for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/a6ad49819c41 -- due 2013-09-11 -- CLOSED
14:18:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/656
14:18:41 <fjh> anssik: will send email when tests are completed
14:18:53 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
14:18:56 <fjh> none
14:19:43 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
14:20:08 <Zakim> -dom
14:20:09 <Zakim> -anssik
14:20:10 <Zakim> -LisaDeLuca_IBM
14:20:14 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:20:15 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:20:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:20:17 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:20:20 <Zakim> -fjh
14:20:21 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:20:21 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, dom, +1.858.750.aaaa, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, anssik, +1.781.362.aabb, Cathy
14:21:30 <fjh> Present+ Giri_ Mandyam
14:21:44 <fjh> s/@dom, are you also on the web and mobile interest group?//
14:22:05 <fjh> s/DeviceProximityEvent , UserProximityEvent/DeviceProximity , UserProximity/
14:22:26 <fjh> s/Got it - thanks?//
14:22:39 <fjh> s/ISSU-151?//
14:22:56 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:22:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:23:23 <fjh> Present- Giri_ Mandyam
14:23:29 <fjh> Present+ Giri_Mandyam
14:23:38 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:23:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
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