IRC log of dpub on 2013-08-06

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-irc

13:58:09 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs 61

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Zakim, this will be dpub_ig

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

13:58:12 [trackbot]

Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

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Date: 06 August 2013

13:58:58 [ivan]

zakim, this will be digpub

13:58:58 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan

14:01:18 [ivan]

zakim, this will be dpub

14:01:18 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes

14:04:00 [ivan]

RRSagent, set log public

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14:32:14 [azaroth]

Good morning all :)

14:32:46 [azaroth]

Call is in 30 minutes, yes?

14:35:18 [liam]

welcome, azaroth

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14:36:40 [azaroth]

Thanks Liam!

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14:56:32 [madi]

Hello!

14:57:06 [mgylling]

madi, hi

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+ +1.212.389.aaaa

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- +1.212.389.aaaa

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Attendees were +1.212.389.aaaa

14:58:14 [ivan]

zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:58:14 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; the call is being made

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SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started

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+Ivan

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+mgylling

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-Ivan

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+Ivan

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+ +1.505.665.aaaa

14:59:26 [ivan]

zakim, aaaa is azaroth

14:59:27 [Zakim]

+azaroth; got it

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15:00:32 [madi]

must change phones. Can't use Skype to dial in, no credit. Odd.

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+ +88626614aabb

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+Bert

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+ +1.212.389.aacc

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+[IPcaller]

15:01:20 [Zakim]

+ +329331aadd

15:01:28 [karen_]

zakim, IPcaller is Karen

15:01:28 [Zakim]

+Karen; got it

15:01:31 [Zakim]

+plinss

15:01:34 [TomDN]

Zakim, +32 is me

15:01:34 [Zakim]

+TomDN; got it

15:01:37 [karen_]

Chair: Markus Gylling

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Zakim, mute me

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TomDN should now be muted

15:01:41 [karen_]

Scribe: Karen

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15:01:56 [trc]

Hi, this is Tyng-Ruey Chuang. Nick trc.

15:02:03 [TomDN]

Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN

15:02:04 [Zakim]

+Hajar; got it

15:02:04 [Zakim]

+??P25

15:02:05 [Zakim]

+Madi

15:02:08 [ivan]

zakim, aabb is trc

15:02:08 [Zakim]

+trc; got it

15:02:16 [TomDN]

Zakim, mielvds is with TomDN

15:02:16 [Zakim]

+mielvds; got it

15:02:20 [tmichel]

zakim, ??P25 is me

15:02:20 [Zakim]

+tmichel; got it

15:02:24 [Zakim]

+George_Kerscher

15:02:29 [ivan]

zakim, who is here?

15:02:29 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher

15:02:32 [Zakim]

TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:02:32 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

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+ +1.503.456.aaee

15:03:40 [fjh]

Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

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15:04:25 [karen_]

zakim, 1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy

15:04:25 [Zakim]

I don't understand '1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy', karen_

15:04:35 [Zakim]

+ +1.518.581.aaff

15:04:39 [ivan]

zakim, aaccc is SethSL

15:04:39 [Zakim]

sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaccc'

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15:04:46 [mgylling]

Zakim, aacc is SethSL

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+SethSL; got it

15:04:48 [SethSL]

212.389 is me... SethSL = Seth Seigel-Laddy

15:05:02 [ivan]

zakim, who is here?

15:05:02 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff

15:05:05 [Zakim]

TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:05:05 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

15:05:39 [mgylling]

Zakim, aaff is Jean Kaplansky

15:05:39 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'aaff is Jean Kaplansky', mgylling

15:06:17 [ivan]

zakim, aaee is Sharad

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+Sharad; got it

15:06:56 [mgylling]

zakim, aaff is JeanKaplansky

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+JeanKaplansky; got it

15:07:20 [karen_]

Ivan: handing chair back to Markus

15:07:22 [ivan]

zakim, who is noisy?

15:07:22 [mgylling]

zakim, who is noisy?

15:07:32 [Zakim]

ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (35%), Ivan (29%)

15:07:43 [Zakim]

mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (34%), trc (4%), Bert (6%), Ivan (36%)

15:07:59 [karen_]

Markus: Welcome everybody to the first get together of this interest group

15:08:08 [karen_]

...Yesterday I sent out the agenda

15:08:13 [karen_]

...Today is a lot about logistics

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...Great to see a good number already

15:08:34 [karen_]

...We will be talking later, both chairs and W3C staff

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...to encourage members to show up over the next months

15:08:55 [ivan]

zakim, who is here?

15:08:55 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky

15:08:55 [karen_]

...Today we thought we would go around the table to introduce ourselves briefly

15:08:57 [Zakim]

TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:08:57 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

15:09:02 [karen_]

...We will also go through the charter

15:09:11 [karen_]

...for clarities, what charter is asking us to do by when

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...So we don't discuss scope later on

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...it should be clear from the start

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...We'll talk about telcos and which face-to-face meetings

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...Also talk about group extensions

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...and talk about the work methodology

15:10:05 [karen_]

...where we see ourselves starting and going about the work in the initial part of the chart

15:10:15 [karen_]

...Does anyone have any additional agenda items to add?

15:10:19 [karen_]

...Ok, introductions

15:10:20 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:10:31 [fjh]

zakim, [IPcaller] lis me

15:10:31 [Zakim]

I don't understand '[IPcaller] lis me', fjh

15:10:35 [karen_]

...My suggestion is that we do introductions in alphabetical order as seen on irc

15:10:42 [ivan]

zakim, IPcaller is fjh

15:10:42 [Zakim]

+fjh; got it

15:10:46 [karen_]

Frederick Hirsch: sorry to be late

15:10:50 [karen_]

Markus: Ok

15:10:51 [fjh]

zakim, [IPcaller] is me

15:10:51 [Zakim]

sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

15:10:55 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

15:10:55 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh

15:10:59 [Zakim]

TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:10:59 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

15:11:10 [karen_]

Rob @ at Los Alamos National Lab

15:11:32 [karen_]

Rob: interest in W3C community group; interest in annotations in epub; also attended February workshop

15:11:44 [karen_]

...very much look forward to working with the group and feel that annotation has a role to play

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...for web and for digital publishing arena

15:11:54 [karen_]

Markus: next is Bert

15:12:08 [karen_]

Bert Bos, W3C: sorry, muted

15:12:18 [karen_]

...I have two roles and why I am here

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...one is staff contact for MathML

15:12:33 [karen_]

...standards that are useful for publishing

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...other role is staff contact for CSS Working Group

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...assume there will be requirements coming out of this group to pass along to CSS WG

15:13:02 [karen_]

Markus: FJH

15:13:09 [karen_]

Frederick Hirsch: I work for Nokia

15:13:17 [TomDN]

Zakim, unmute me

15:13:17 [Zakim]

TomDN should no longer be muted

15:13:20 [karen_]

...on Open Web Platform; interested in how publishing will evolve

15:13:27 [karen_]

Hajar: I work in @

15:13:34 [karen_]

...in digital publishing project

15:13:42 [fjh]

I chair the W3C Device APIs wg, interested ePub3 as well

15:13:52 [fjh]

also chair W3C XML Security WG

15:14:01 [karen_]

Ivan Herman: Also at W3C, Activity Lead for Digital Publishing and one of staff contacts for this Interest Group

15:14:45 [fjh]

s/I chair/I also chair/

15:14:58 [azaroth]

Do we have a backup scribe for karen_?

15:15:06 [karen_]

Karen Myers: also with W3C, doing member relations and outreach, organizing digital publishing events for this activity

15:15:22 [karen_]

...scribing today, but not so much going forward as I will not do the technical work

15:15:35 [karen_]

Madi Solomon: I am co-chair with Markus of this Interest Group

15:15:40 [karen_]

...based in London with Pearson

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...also co-chair of @ Community Group

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...jumping in with both fee

15:15:56 [karen_]

s/feet

15:16:06 [karen_]

Markus: Working with Daisy Consortium with George for some time

15:16:12 [karen_]

...main focus has been accessibility

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...also working with IDPF

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...doing the ePub3 specifications

15:16:55 [karen_]

Mie: I work with semantic web technologies; interest in how this can help digital publishing

15:17:13 [ivan]

s/Mie/Miel/

15:17:17 [karen_]

Peter Linss: I work for HP; co-chair of CSS; also co-chairing upcoming dig pub workshop on workflow in Paris

15:17:28 [karen_]

Seth Seigel-Laddy: VP and digital services at Scholastic

15:17:34 [karen_]

...which is transitioning to epub3

15:17:39 [karen_]

...interested in fixed formats

15:17:51 [karen_]

...seeing transitions in schools...particularly in speech

15:18:02 [karen_]

Sharad: from Intel Corp.

15:18:05 [karen_]

...manager of @

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...worked at W3C web services

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...was editor for their requirements doc

15:18:32 [karen_]

...I am interested in digital publshing formats, particularly epub security

15:18:37 [mgylling]

s/@/Intel Education/

15:18:41 [karen_]

Thierry Michel: I am the other W3C staff contact

15:18:46 [karen_]

...based in France

15:18:55 [karen_]

...joined from the beginning and organized workshop

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15:19:05 [karen_]

...helping you guys to run this group, so please do not hesitate to contact me

15:19:15 [karen_]

Tom Denise: I work at iMinds University

15:19:29 [karen_]

...project we're doing I'm focused on Semantic Web, metadata and provenance

15:19:34 [karen_]

...also member of Provenance WG

15:19:40 [karen_]

...interested in what we are going to do here

15:19:44 [TomDN]

Zakim, mute me

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TomDN should now be muted

15:19:52 [karen_]

TRC: Academica Sinica

15:19:55 [Bert]

s/Denise/De Nies/

15:20:00 [karen_]

...mostly working on @

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Jeanne Kaplansky, Aptara: solutions architect

15:20:18 [TomDN]

s/iMinds University/iMinds - Ghent University

15:20:23 [karen_]

...we have interest in W3C standards

15:20:29 [karen_]

...been following since early '90s

15:20:33 [ivan]

s/TRC/Tyng-Ruey Chuang/

15:20:34 [karen_]

...sit on indexing group for IDPF

15:20:38 [karen_]

...also interested in MathML

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...talking about more support for MathML

15:20:48 [ivan]

s/Denise/De Nies/

15:20:55 [karen_]

...company has great interest in web standards

15:20:58 [karen_]

...and web projects

15:21:18 [karen_]

George Kirscher: with Daisy Consortium

15:21:23 [karen_]

...we're super interested in ePub3

15:21:41 [karen_]

...Daisy Consortium has endorsed ePub3 and we are moving into that domain as systems an authoring tools come into that domain

15:21:48 [Bert]

s/Kirscher/Kerscher/

15:21:57 [karen_]

...hoping in future Daisy Consortium materials will be coming into epub

15:22:09 [karen_]

...moving disability needs into mainstream is goal of ours

15:22:18 [karen_]

...we have been members of W3C for many years

15:22:36 [karen_]

...and serve as part of stearing council for Web Accessibility Initiative

15:22:43 [karen_]

Markus: anyone who did not introduce themselves?

15:23:08 [karen_]

...next on agenda is to look at the charter

15:23:19 [karen_]

...if there are questions or remarks, suggest we do that now

15:23:36 [karen_]

...since you joined group, hope you have read the charter

15:23:43 [karen_]

...in enough detail to understand what the intent is

15:23:52 [karen_]

...it's nice in its compactness

15:23:57 [karen_]

...seems pretty clear to me

15:24:08 [karen_]

...But will repeat what is obvious

15:24:09 [tmichel]

Digital Publishing Interest Group Charter

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http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html

15:24:18 [karen_]

...it's not a group to create specifications

15:24:22 [karen_]

...but to identify problems

15:24:26 [karen_]

...this as many of you know

15:24:35 [karen_]

...is a very difficult thing to do with technical people in group

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...who want to go into technical design space

15:24:56 [karen_]

...Madi and I will push hard so we do not design solutions here

15:25:05 [karen_]

...but that said, Ivan, Thierry and Karen correct me if wrong

15:25:17 [karen_]

...Looks like one easy way to summarize is that it takes major steps

15:25:24 [karen_]

...First is the collection of use cases and requirements

15:25:39 [karen_]

...describing all the things that the publishing industry wants to do with the OWP but cannot do yet

15:25:44 [karen_]

...describe the issues and the features

15:25:55 [karen_]

...The second step of course is once that opus matures

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...is to start an outreach to the relevant W3C Working Groups

15:26:13 [ivan]

q+

15:26:16 [karen_]

...and discuss and have an impact about how to address these features

15:26:21 [karen_]

...Ivan, Thierry, would you agree?

15:26:28 [karen_]

...overly simplistic or did I miss it?

15:26:37 [karen_]

Thierry: I think you summarized excellently the scope and deliverables

15:26:39 [karen_]

ack Ivan

15:26:46 [karen_]

Ivan: I actually do have something to say

15:26:53 [karen_]

...one is what you said is absolutely true

15:27:00 [karen_]

...the reality we have to prepare ourselves with

15:27:07 [karen_]

...is that if we go to one or more of the Working Groups

15:27:17 [karen_]

...and we have chairs or staff contacts who may react on this

15:27:29 [karen_]

...You may hear, that is all nice, but we don't have enough people to put it through properly

15:27:38 [karen_]

...We can do that only if you are prepared to do the work

15:27:44 [karen_]

...So in practice what that means

15:28:09 [karen_]

...is that either you or a colleague joins a specific group, say CSS, and pushes that item through to completion in the WG

15:28:11 [fjh]

+1

15:28:16 [karen_]

...I know Peter is here, Bert...

15:28:21 [azaroth]

q+

15:28:23 [karen_]

...this is a realistic expectation, yes?

15:28:27 [karen_]

Peter: yes, of course

15:28:28 [Bert]

+1

15:28:30 [karen_]

Ivan: so this is one thing

15:28:35 [karen_]

...the other thing that is in the charter

15:28:45 [karen_]

...it's important, in some sense direction

15:28:52 [karen_]

...feedback we got from the publishing industry

15:29:03 [karen_]

...is that it is very difficult to find your way through the maze of W3C recommendations

15:29:15 [karen_]

...and to find out which ones are relevant to digital publishing industry

15:29:31 [karen_]

...so we should produce a prioritized list of W3C specifications that the digital publishing industry should know about

15:29:38 [karen_]

...that is a parallel work that is also important

15:29:56 [karen_]

...Third one again, we got a lot of feedback from industry that interoperability of ebook readers is a problem

15:30:01 [karen_]

...even if they rely on Webkit

15:30:15 [karen_]

...to improve that, this community should also be in position to add test cases to overall work on testing

15:30:20 [karen_]

...being done at W3C right now

15:30:24 [karen_]

...So that of course

15:30:45 [Zakim]

-Karen

15:31:19 [Bert]

mgylling: See sect 2 in cgharter with deliverables.

15:31:34 [Bert]

... Develop reqs.

15:31:53 [fjh]

Ivan: hard to find way through maze of w3c specs to find what is relevant, - need to produce list of w3c specs digitial publishing industry needs to know about, additional deliverable

15:31:53 [Bert]

... with help from W3C [noise] specifications involved.

15:31:53 [fjh]

Ivan: interoperability of ebook readers is a problem, even if rely on webkit etc ; community needs to be able to add test cases to test cases being developed at w3c, another deliverable

15:32:02 [ivan]

ack azaroth

15:32:09 [ivan]

scribe ivan:

15:32:15 [Zakim]

+Karen_Myers

15:32:27 [ivan]

azaroth: the open annotation is on a community group

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15:32:38 [ivan]

… does that have an impact

15:33:05 [ivan]

scribe: kmyers

15:33:09 [kmyers]

@: question is

15:33:29 [kmyers]

...is there an impact on the community group to be beneficial to the IG

15:33:36 [kmyers]

...should we be forming a WG within time frame so that documents can be referenced

15:33:46 [kmyers]

Ivan: I would look at that in general framework of priority

15:33:52 [kmyers]

...of what technologies come up

15:34:05 [kmyers]

...Madi and Markus will have to set up and how annotation fits into this

15:34:24 [kmyers]

...at the moment, I would not make a difference between certain issues being controlled by CG or IG

15:34:29 [kmyers]

...or to the MathML group for example

15:34:34 [kmyers]

...the way you handle it is different

15:34:45 [kmyers]

...different structure, but I think they should look at the issues the same way

15:34:47 [azaroth]

q-

15:34:52 [kmyers]

...does that answer:

15:34:52 [kmyers]

@: yes

15:34:54 [ivan]

acl waves

15:34:56 [azaroth]

q-

15:34:58 [kmyers]

Markus: yes, I agree with that as well

15:35:04 [ivan]

ack waves

15:35:05 [kmyers]

...I don't see why this group should offer differences

15:35:17 [kmyers]

Markus: should not matter

15:35:35 [kmyers]

Ivan: connection comes and goes

15:35:39 [kmyers]

Markus: Let's see...

15:35:58 [kmyers]

...only thing I wanted to ask about in the deliverables section is the contributions to the tesing efforts

15:36:17 [kmyers]

...sounds like it is going to be difficult in some cases; maybe that is not an issue

15:36:21 [kmyers]

...let's say for example

15:36:32 [kmyers]

...in describing what the digpub industry needs in pagination in CSS

15:36:44 [kmyers]

...primarily is use cases and functional requirements for pagination

15:36:50 [kmyers]

...maybe stratified in feature set

15:37:01 [kmyers]

...but there will be an overall declarative use case that describes what is needed

15:37:12 [kmyers]

...but no way to test for that because there is no syntax to use

15:37:24 [kmyers]

...I think this is going to be quite common

15:37:24 [kmyers]

...Just want to be clear

15:37:33 [kmyers]

...that expecation is that we are not hard core test writers

15:37:42 [kmyers]

Ivan: yes, that is to be done as part of the work of the group

15:37:51 [kmyers]

...the issue here that I had in mind is slightly different

15:38:04 [kmyers]

...Let's forget about the case when there is a specification that has to be developed

15:38:11 [kmyers]

...and take case when specification that is already there

15:38:18 [kmyers]

...take CSS example on text declaration

15:38:38 [kmyers]

...which as I scan through has detailed specifications on underlines in other langages

15:38:48 [kmyers]

...this has to be thoroughly tested

15:38:53 [kmyers]

...more than others

15:38:59 [kmyers]

...therefore there are some corner or special cases

15:39:12 [Bert]

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-css-text-decor-3-20130801/ CR of CSS Text Decoration

15:39:12 [kmyers]

...that this group knows more about how to test than the average browser manufacturers

15:39:27 [kmyers]

...so this group can produce additional test cases that the browser manufacturer may not care about

15:39:39 [kmyers]

...Bert and Peter, I am getting into your area, but hope what I am saying makes sense

15:39:44 [kmyers]

Bert: yes, it does

15:40:05 [kmyers]

Ivan: So group makes sure that the test environment is as thorough and exhaustive, taking care of specificities

15:40:25 [kmyers]

Markus: again, two major steps

15:40:28 [kmyers]

...would happen during the later phase when we start engaging with the other Working Groups

15:40:35 [kmyers]

...we have 20 minutes left

15:40:41 [kmyers]

...in terms of the charter, speeding up here

15:40:47 [kmyers]

...you have seen the timelines

15:40:54 [kmyers]

...are there any questions or remarks? Is it clear?

15:41:05 [kmyers]

...Ok

15:41:05 [kmyers]

...Let me ask you this

15:41:19 [kmyers]

...Are there any questions or remarks on the charter as a whole that you would like to ask about?

15:41:19 [kmyers]

...Moving on then

15:41:26 [kmyers]

...Quickly about logistics

15:41:32 [kmyers]

...Karen is kindly taking minutes

15:41:49 [kmyers]

...but may be only meeting; in following meetings we will ask for volunteer scribes

15:42:06 [kmyers]

...Madi and I would be grateful if you cannot scribe so we exclude you from the rotating scheme

15:42:14 [kmyers]

...We'll have a page pointing to that list that we will rotate through

15:42:29 [kmyers]

...Agendas and minutes will be collected from the Interest Group's home page

15:42:48 [kmyers]

...the agenda will be published via email

15:42:48 [kmyers]

...Minutes as always will be published through the W3C minuting system

15:43:02 [kmyers]

...And we will collect the URLs of the agenda and published minutes and put them on the home page

15:43:16 [kmyers]

...The chairs of course will publish agenda at least 24 hours in advance of meeting

15:43:22 [kmyers]

...These will be draft agendas

15:43:40 [kmyers]

...So if you have an agenda item to be discussed, please let us know a few days before meeting

15:43:49 [kmyers]

...We'll try to get it in depending about how packed it is

15:43:52 [kmyers]

...Anything else?

15:43:58 [kmyers]

Thierry: no

15:44:09 [kmyers]

Markus: For time being, we are intending to stay with the day and time we are on now

15:44:17 [kmyers]

...If going forward group finds this problematic

15:44:28 [kmyers]

...but for now, please reserve Tuesdays at 15:00UTC each week

15:44:30 [kmyers]

...Emailing lists

15:44:33 [tmichel]

http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page

15:44:40 [kmyers]

...There are ones that the IG should be aware of

15:44:47 [tmichel]

see mailing lists deatails

15:44:48 [kmyers]

...First one is the one where you got your agenda invite

15:44:54 [kmyers]

...Also a second list

15:44:58 [kmyers]

...which is not world visible

15:45:13 [kmyers]

...agenda is readable by world but writable by IG members

15:45:20 [kmyers]

...also one only for IG members

15:45:39 [kmyers]

...and also a comment list that is world visible

15:45:50 [kmyers]

...These are all available at the lists.w3.org site

15:46:18 [kmyers]

Ivan: Pointers to the archives are all listed on the wiki page

15:46:18 [kmyers]

...on right hand side

15:46:24 [kmyers]

Markus: so the default list in short term is same email list as agenda

15:46:30 [kmyers]

...next topic

15:46:36 [tmichel]

http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/

15:46:50 [kmyers]

...We have a faceto-face meeting planned at the TPAC [Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee Meeting] in China

15:46:51 [tmichel]

registration for TPAC now open

15:47:02 [kmyers]

...hopefully we can show early drafts of corpus of requirements that we are working on

15:47:08 [kmyers]

...Thierry, Ivan should we say here

15:47:16 [kmyers]

...express a recommendation about people getting here

15:47:24 [kmyers]

Ivan: It's important to register to the meeting as soon as possible

15:47:35 [kmyers]

...A lot of people will be there form different groups

15:47:45 [kmyers]

...Thierry put TPAC page in the minutes

15:47:54 [kmyers]

...also there is information about getting a visa to China

15:48:00 [kmyers]

...so please register as soon as you can

15:48:05 [kmyers]

Markus: thank you

15:48:14 [kmyers]

...any questions about logistics, telcons, lists, F2F meetings?

15:48:20 [kmyers]

@: how often are the telcons?

15:48:35 [kmyers]

@: if we are not traveling internationally, will there be any options for remote attendance?

15:48:46 [kmyers]

Ivan: we usually have possibility to dial into f2f meeting in Shenzhen

15:49:05 [kmyers]

...we will know figures closer to meeting, but cannot change the time difference

15:49:13 [kmyers]

@: clearly, midnight is midnight

15:49:20 [ivan]

s/@/Jean/

15:49:23 [kmyers]

...to whom should we contact if we cannot travel?

15:49:32 [kmyers]

Ivan: If you don't register, you don't register

15:49:34 [kmyers]

...action is needed for those who do come

15:49:57 [kmyers]

Ivan: that may be a good idea to set up information for phone

15:50:12 [kmyers]

Markus: in terms of group membership

15:50:27 [kmyers]

...as I mentioned, there is work on-going with groups and co-chairs with stakeholders

15:50:30 [kmyers]

...as that progresses

15:50:39 [kmyers]

...no time to list all the names of organizations and people

15:50:56 [kmyers]

...we would like to encourage you all to think about organizations and companies that you believe should be on this interest group

15:51:14 [kmyers]

...If you come up with any, please contact us and the W3C staff reps and we'll discuss strategies to invite and get them to participate

15:51:27 [kmyers]

...this is an historic opportunity for digital publishing industry to harmonize with W3C

15:51:36 [kmyers]

...would not be good not to get the right people at the table

15:51:44 [kmyers]

...let us know of anyone you think should join

15:51:52 [kmyers]

...any questions about recruitment and membership

15:52:01 [kmyers]

...Ok...work methodology

15:52:06 [kmyers]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:52:06 [Zakim]

I see nothing on the agenda

15:52:16 [kmyers]

...there are many ways to gather corpus and use cases

15:52:39 [kmyers]

...has been done many times in W3C before, so we are not expected to take a revolutionary new approach

15:52:52 [kmyers]

...one of key things is having right stakeholders at the table

15:53:05 [kmyers]

...risk that we may be understaffed in certain areas depending upon who joins group

15:53:16 [kmyers]

...Second observation is that this is a huge field with many different aspects

15:53:33 [kmyers]

...Likely we won't go through a single thread but multiple as we go through requirements gathering

15:53:44 [kmyers]

...Some members here interested in pagination; others interested in metadata

15:53:52 [kmyers]

...those are two communities with different expertise

15:54:03 [kmyers]

...makes no sense to do in serial but rather in parallel fashion

15:54:14 [kmyers]

...so we will need to devise way to do things simultaneously

15:54:22 [kmyers]

...We may choose certain meetings for certain themes

15:54:32 [kmyers]

...or we may have certain chunks for each meeting

15:54:36 [kmyers]

...that remains to be seen

15:54:47 [kmyers]

...based on where the largest number of stakeholders are doing work

15:54:56 [kmyers]

...What we have been thinking about the corpus of requirements

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...is an initial taxonomy

15:55:14 [kmyers]

...of problem or issue areas that we should be filling in

15:55:23 [kmyers]

...Layout would be one such category with pagination and int'l

15:55:33 [kmyers]

...Metadata is another with publication level vs microdata

15:55:34 [kmyers]

...and so on

15:55:47 [kmyers]

...Idea is that the first thing this group does is to set out the first version of the problem areas

15:55:50 [kmyers]

...and then from there on

15:55:59 [kmyers]

...move into them and start to populate them with the requirements

15:56:07 [kmyers]

...This is a way for us to provide structure to the work

15:56:16 [kmyers]

...and to see where work is progressing and where it is not

15:56:30 [kmyers]

...So if we see in October that work is not progressing in certain areas, then we can address it

15:56:37 [kmyers]

...So proposal is that we work on that structure first

15:56:48 [kmyers]

...and once we agree then we work on the functional requirements

15:56:52 [kmyers]

...What do people think

15:56:53 [azaroth]

+1

15:57:00 [SethSL]

+! makes sense

15:57:01 [TomDN]

sounds good

15:57:29 [kmyers]

Markus: Perhaps we can produce first action for Markus and Madi to create a first strawman for the taxonomy on the wiki page

15:57:35 [kmyers]

Ivan: Thierry, will you do that/

15:57:41 [kmyers]

s/?

15:57:49 [kmyers]

Thierry: an action for everybody?

15:57:49 [madi]

Yes sounds good to me.

15:58:02 [kmyers]

Markus: no, for Markus and Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy

15:58:12 [tmichel]

ACTION Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy

15:58:34 [kmyers]

Action: Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy

15:58:34 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-1 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-13].

15:59:04 [tmichel]

;-)

15:59:18 [tmichel]

thanks Karen

15:59:18 [kmyers]

Markus: It's not a catastrophe if we get it wrong at first, but we need a starting point and will take it from there

15:59:26 [kmyers]

...great...we are approaching the top of the hour

15:59:30 [kmyers]

...what is left?

15:59:38 [kmyers]

...Are there any questions or remarks at this point?

15:59:46 [tmichel]

Action: Markus to create the strawman for the taxonomy

15:59:46 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-13].

15:59:51 [kmyers]

....if not, we are done for the day

15:59:57 [Zakim]

-fjh

15:59:57 [kmyers]

...thank you everyone, and talk to you in one week

16:00:00 [Zakim]

-azaroth

16:00:01 [Zakim]

-SethSL

16:00:01 [Zakim]

-mgylling

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-Madi

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-JeanKaplansky

16:00:10 [trc]

bye now

16:00:12 [Zakim]

-plinss

16:00:21 [Zakim]

-trc

16:00:23 [TomDN]

bye

16:00:25 [Zakim]

-Bert

16:00:32 [Zakim]

-TomDN

16:00:33 [Zakim]

-Sharad

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16:01:39 [George]

hello world

16:01:58 [ivan]

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:01:58 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-minutes.html ivan

16:03:09 [mgylling]

George, hi, can you read this?

16:03:43 [George]

Yes, Markus I can read it

16:05:03 [George]

goodbye

16:05:34 [Zakim]

-George_Kerscher

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-Karen_Myers

16:10:55 [Zakim]

-Ivan

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Attendees were Ivan, mgylling, +1.505.665.aaaa, azaroth, +88626614aabb, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, +329331aadd, Karen, plinss, TomDN, Hajar, Madi, trc, mielvds, tmichel,

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... George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff, SethSL, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh, Karen_Myers

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