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20:02:00 <jamesn> zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
20:02:00 <Zakim> ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_WCAG()4:00PM
20:02:05 <Zakim> +[Google]
20:02:12 <Zakim> -Paul_Adam
20:02:17 <jamesn> Meeting: HTML5 and ARIA Techniques Task Force
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20:02:21 <pauljadam> I need to reconnect to the call
20:02:40 <Loretta> hello?
20:02:47 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
20:03:00 <Zakim> +Paul_Adam
20:03:34 <jamesn> regrets+ Detlev
20:04:08 <jamesn> agenda+ https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/
20:06:42 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/results#xalertdia
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20:14:56 <jamesn> zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
20:14:56 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
20:15:42 <adam_solomon> ok
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20:24:33 <Loretta> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to failing to mark up decorative images in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them
20:24:36 <Zakim> +darobin
20:24:47 <adam_solomon> adam just called in
20:24:59 <jamesn> zakim, darobin is Adam_Solomon
20:24:59 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
20:25:49 <jongund> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative images and applets to be ignored by assistive technology
20:26:57 <jongund> Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative markup (i.e. images and applets)  to be ignored by assistive technology
20:27:15 <jongund> Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (i.e. images and applets)  to be ignored by assistive technology
20:27:47 <Zakim> -[Google]
20:28:40 <jongund> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (e.g. decorative images and applets)  to be ignored by assistive technology
20:28:58 <jongund> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (e.g. decorative images and applets)  in a way to be ignored by assistive technology
20:29:03 <adam_solomon> adam: needs "in a way" to be in title
20:30:17 <adam_solomon> james: only applies to html (not pdf)
20:32:33 <jamesn> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to not marking up decorative images in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them
20:32:56 <pauljadam> Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to omitting role=presentation or alt="" on purely decorative images or applets in HTML
20:33:46 <adam_solomon> james: would have to retitle if tech changes
20:34:05 <adam_solomon> james: aria-hidden?
20:37:26 <pauljadam> Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to omitting a presentation attribute on purely decorative images or applets in HTML
20:37:56 <adam_solomon> james: better to have more generic title (wothout mentioning specific markup)
20:38:15 <adam_solomon> adam: in any event if aria-hidden passes then test needs to be changed
20:40:15 <jamesn> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to not marking up decorative images or applets in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them
20:40:47 <adam_solomon> paul: long but clear
20:41:08 <adam_solomon> no objections to james last offer
20:41:56 <adam_solomon> james: putting in note that we need to investigate relevance of aria-hidden for this failure
20:44:27 <adam_solomon> jon: would aria-label empty be equivalent to empty alt?
20:45:46 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/results#xlabel
20:46:11 <adam_solomon> topic: aria live regions
20:47:45 <adam_solomon> paul: if using describedby, do we need aria-live?
20:49:13 <adam_solomon> paul: what if you have only one error container and 4 inputs?
20:49:32 <adam_solomon> jon: separate message for each input is appropriate
20:51:21 <adam_solomon> james, paul: title needs to be more specific to error messages
20:52:23 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-alertdialog
20:52:37 <adam_solomon> james: combine this with the above link?
20:53:32 <adam_solomon> pau;: should no tbe combined - different kinds of implementations
20:55:18 <adam_solomon> james: role=alert equivalent to assertive
20:55:41 <jamesn> Using ARIA Live Regions or role=alert to Identify Errors
20:59:03 <Zakim> - +1.212.924.aaaa
20:59:10 <adam_solomon> james: jon can modify example
20:59:46 <adam_solomon> paul: concern over aria-describedby used here
21:02:34 <adam_solomon> paul: will add example for role alert
21:04:26 <adam_solomon> paul: should example include other aria attributes?
21:04:55 <adam_solomon> james: ok
21:05:17 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
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21:05:26 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
21:05:27 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
21:05:27 <Zakim> -Robin_Tuttle
21:05:29 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
21:05:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Paul_Adam, +1.212.924.aaaa, [Google], James_Nurthen, Robin_Tuttle, Jon_Gunderson, Adam_Solomon
21:05:30 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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21:05:56 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
21:06:11 <jamesn> chair: James_Nurthen
21:06:17 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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