IRC log of html-techs-tf on 2013-05-23
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-techs-tf-irc
- 20:02:00 [jamesn]
- zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
- 20:02:00 [Zakim]
- ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_WCAG()4:00PM
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- +[Google]
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- -Paul_Adam
- 20:02:17 [jamesn]
- Meeting: HTML5 and ARIA Techniques Task Force
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- 20:02:21 [pauljadam]
- I need to reconnect to the call
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- hello?
- 20:02:47 [Zakim]
- +James_Nurthen
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- +Paul_Adam
- 20:03:34 [jamesn]
- regrets+ Detlev
- 20:04:08 [jamesn]
- agenda+ https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/
- 20:06:42 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/results#xalertdia
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- +Robin_Tuttle
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- +Jon_Gunderson
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- -Jon_Gunderson
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- +Jon_Gunderson
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- +[IPcaller]
- 20:14:56 [jamesn]
- zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
- 20:14:56 [Zakim]
- +Adam_Solomon; got it
- 20:15:42 [adam_solomon]
- ok
- 20:18:12 [Zakim]
- -Adam_Solomon
- 20:24:33 [Loretta]
- F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to failing to mark up decorative images in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them
- 20:24:36 [Zakim]
- +darobin
- 20:24:47 [adam_solomon]
- adam just called in
- 20:24:59 [jamesn]
- zakim, darobin is Adam_Solomon
- 20:24:59 [Zakim]
- +Adam_Solomon; got it
- 20:25:49 [jongund]
- F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative images and applets to be ignored by assistive technology
- 20:26:57 [jongund]
- Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative markup (i.e. images and applets) to be ignored by assistive technology
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- Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (i.e. images and applets) to be ignored by assistive technology
- 20:27:47 [Zakim]
- -[Google]
- 20:28:40 [jongund]
- F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (e.g. decorative images and applets) to be ignored by assistive technology
- 20:28:58 [jongund]
- F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (e.g. decorative images and applets) in a way to be ignored by assistive technology
- 20:29:03 [adam_solomon]
- adam: needs "in a way" to be in title
- 20:30:17 [adam_solomon]
- james: only applies to html (not pdf)
- 20:32:33 [jamesn]
- F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to not marking up decorative images in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them
- 20:32:56 [pauljadam]
- Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to omitting role=presentation or alt="" on purely decorative images or applets in HTML
- 20:33:46 [adam_solomon]
- james: would have to retitle if tech changes
- 20:34:05 [adam_solomon]
- james: aria-hidden?
- 20:37:26 [pauljadam]
- Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to omitting a presentation attribute on purely decorative images or applets in HTML
- 20:37:56 [adam_solomon]
- james: better to have more generic title (wothout mentioning specific markup)
- 20:38:15 [adam_solomon]
- adam: in any event if aria-hidden passes then test needs to be changed
- 20:40:15 [jamesn]
- F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to not marking up decorative images or applets in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them
- 20:40:47 [adam_solomon]
- paul: long but clear
- 20:41:08 [adam_solomon]
- no objections to james last offer
- 20:41:56 [adam_solomon]
- james: putting in note that we need to investigate relevance of aria-hidden for this failure
- 20:44:27 [adam_solomon]
- jon: would aria-label empty be equivalent to empty alt?
- 20:45:46 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/results#xlabel
- 20:46:11 [adam_solomon]
- topic: aria live regions
- 20:47:45 [adam_solomon]
- paul: if using describedby, do we need aria-live?
- 20:49:13 [adam_solomon]
- paul: what if you have only one error container and 4 inputs?
- 20:49:32 [adam_solomon]
- jon: separate message for each input is appropriate
- 20:51:21 [adam_solomon]
- james, paul: title needs to be more specific to error messages
- 20:52:23 [jamesn]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-alertdialog
- 20:52:37 [adam_solomon]
- james: combine this with the above link?
- 20:53:32 [adam_solomon]
- pau;: should no tbe combined - different kinds of implementations
- 20:55:18 [adam_solomon]
- james: role=alert equivalent to assertive
- 20:55:41 [jamesn]
- Using ARIA Live Regions or role=alert to Identify Errors
- 20:59:03 [Zakim]
- - +1.212.924.aaaa
- 20:59:10 [adam_solomon]
- james: jon can modify example
- 20:59:46 [adam_solomon]
- paul: concern over aria-describedby used here
- 21:02:34 [adam_solomon]
- paul: will add example for role alert
- 21:04:26 [adam_solomon]
- paul: should example include other aria attributes?
- 21:04:55 [adam_solomon]
- james: ok
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- -Jon_Gunderson
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- -Paul_Adam
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- -Adam_Solomon
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- -James_Nurthen
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- -Robin_Tuttle
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Paul_Adam, +1.212.924.aaaa, [Google], James_Nurthen, Robin_Tuttle, Jon_Gunderson, Adam_Solomon
- 21:05:30 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- chair: James_Nurthen
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn