See also: IRC log
<dorian> yeah one moment
<dorian> phone is plugged in and on a short leash
IJ: Heads-up we plan to launch real soon now
<lcreekmo> I liked the comments so far. I don't think I have anything else to add to that.
<bevcorwin> Hello
Q. any prefs between related question on same slide, or split if #2 depends on #2 with better tie-in?
a) same page
b) two pages w/ dependency
<troy> B
Ian: (b)
<bevcorwin> B
<lcreekmo> b is fine with me
Any other questions or comments for this meeting?
<dorian> i spent a considerable amount of time fighting with the first page
<dorian> yeah what bev just said
<lcreekmo> I was in Chrome and had to fill in a few answers on some pages but not all.
<dorian> plus if you aren't sure what the difference between a working/interest/community/business group is that's confusing
<troy> i went through the whole survey with FF as my browser, no issue
Bug: If you check none with no comment, it fails
<dorian> like there's a lot of w3c-peculiar terminology on the first page
<lcreekmo> I did want a reminder about the audience for that reason, dorian. Language might be too inside-baseball [without explanations].
IJ: I will say that we ned to
clarify that "other" implies you _have_ to put a comment
... or make extra comment optional
- launch 15 or 16 May for 2 weeks
- IJ will announce via twitter
Q. Blog post or home page news item?
- add a comment to the ALA column on this project
- home page news item
- membership as well
- chairs list
IJ: Someone want to post over in IAI
Laura: I can do that.
…forward me the email you send to other groups.
IJ: I will be sure we have a clear signal when survey open and ready
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Resources
a) What do we do next with our rough inventory of W3C content?
b) Are there other sites we should take inspiration from for w3.org?
Troy: we could look at commercial sites that have large repositories of information.
…e.g., Oracle, or SAP, or Intel
<dorian> they can?
<dorian> haha
…people are able to come in and quickly find information.
<bevcorwin> OWASP.org
Troy: IEEE? Imax?
... could be useful for what we want or don't want to do.
Laura: Github
https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page
<troy> wimax (instead of imax)
https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/ipr
<dorian> and a lobster
<bevcorwin> www.worldpulse.com
Bev: They have a good learning model
Dorian: W3C is sort of its own archetype
<lcreekmo> For that matter, TED.com has an interesting asset design model.
…I think organizations have modeled on W3C rather than the other way around
<lcreekmo> http://ted.com
…as for the content of w3.org, it would be interesting to me to assign a temporality horizon to the major clusters of content
…specs, news, etc.
…the idea there is to organize it based on long some stuff is meant to persist
<lcreekmo> +1 on that, Ian!!
…the home page is a funny creature because it is mostly a brochure or sales thing for the board of directors
<bevcorwin> Iconathon: http://blog.thenounproject.com/post/50350240045/cultural-heritage-iconathon
…another interesting perspective is that the home page may be less valuable if people get to key content through search engines; that's a perspective of http://stackoverflow.com/
<troy> i have to drop.
Dorian: I think the home page can have a lot more space.
Dorian: Heads-up on cramming
stuff onto the home apge
... we should think about the behavioral aspects and strategic
choices.
<bevcorwin> DDF: https://tools.codice.org/wiki/display/DDF/Distributed+Data+Framework+Home
<lcreekmo> I will say, I am finally almost finished with my content strategy thoughts :) and I will include some thoughts about what we can do with that mini-, high-level inventory we have. I'll get that to you this week, Ian.
tx
<bevcorwin> Great Laura! :-)
IJ: We can think about the org as:
- solutiosn for businesses
- developer solutions (and that sub site can grow)
- the standards and processes for creating them
models
- the organization
<bevcorwin> documented methodologies, maturities, visions, etc.
- what is the web platform
- what are the services we provide (standards, testing, dev documentation, training, ….)
<bevcorwin> yes, the leadership role the W3C plays with the web, globally, etc.
<dorian> have subdomains been discussed?
<dorian> e.g. validator.w3.org
<dorian> there seems to be "web app dev" and "everything else"
<bevcorwin> relationship models w/ other standards orgs?
<dorian> html5/css/dom/etc vs say, rdf or wai
<bevcorwin> SDB
<bevcorwin> SDN
<bevcorwin> IETF
Robin: Having gone through this with our team…we struggled with "what we do"...
<dorian> and frankly the semantic web stuff is a lot more interesting to the rest of the world that doesn't make whizzbang web apps
<dorian> eg biotech who loves that stuff
Robin: …we had to convince our leadership that we need to use plain languag
<bevcorwin> Where does the W3C live in the webs many dimensions?
<lcreekmo> Robin, I'm with you. The plainer the language the better, but "experts" always have to be shown why that's so.
<dorian> ian yes re verticals
<bevcorwin> Multi modal, multi dimensional, multi media, etc.?
IJ: Could do something like this:
- want to use the web
- want to add to the wb
<lcreekmo> Ian, I think that's a nice idea. You probably want to give people a way to dive deep immediately if they know what they want. but I'm betting most visitors don't know exactly what they need from you.
- want to see how the web is affecting my industry
Robin: You are missing the vision piece
…and you need a fast track for people who visit the site frequently
<bevcorwin> Intelligent, knowledge space
<bevcorwin> I love white boards!
[panasonic virtual white board]
<rginn> content mapping exercise
content mapping
Robin: You can create carousels on a rotation basis...
Bev: Configurable is nice based on preferences
<lcreekmo> I've got to jump off!
Bev: Can we have a content conversation at some point?
IJ: please send comments to the list
<dorian> machines first that's a jaron lanier thing
<dorian> also: REST, RDF(a)
[On content for machines first]
<dorian> http://bibotools.googlecode.com/svn/bibo-ontology/trunk/doc/classes/Standard___-2089222601.html
…you can tag things…sort content based on what content is.
<bevcorwin> IETF's user preferences would work with Dorian's ideas.. would be very interesting to design w/ W3C MMI and IETF's
<dorian> data source comes from an rdf triplestore
<dorian> e.g. virtuoso
<dorian> (just fyi)
<dorian> http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/
<dorian> sparql endpoint ;)
<bevcorwin> Tool box?
<bevcorwin> Web framework challenge
http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison
Available next week?
<bevcorwin> +1
<dorian> yes
<dorian> +1
<rginn> yes, but starting at 2 pm PT??
<bevcorwin> I can help other times, too, anyone feel free to ping me if needed, on Skype: bevcorwin
4pm ET ok?
5pm ET?
<dorian> i'm pacific
<bevcorwin> I'm Eastern NYC
proposed: 15:30-16:40 ET
resolved
<bevcorwin> ok
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