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<scribe> Scribe: Art
AB: I posted a draft agenda
yesterday
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0003.html.
The main subject is to discuss the status of the LC comment
processing.
... any change requests?
AB: Jacob created the comment
tracking document https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/dc.html.
... it appears we have replies from everyone except Mose
Bottacini (#9) and Yandex/Charles (#13-#17).
... Asir followed up with Mose and asked him to reply by April
8. In the absence of any additional feedback from Mose by the
8th, I propose we continue with the group's resolution and not
block on him.
... any concerns Doug?
DS: I'm comfortable with that if we can defend it
AB: Jacob replied to him, Asir
pinged him again. I think an additional week should be
reasonable
... Rick and I followed up with Charles. Charles indicated in
IRC today that he will ask Sergey to reply.
... Chaals understand we are waiting for him and Yandex to
reply
... anything else on the comment processing?
JR: I would like everyone to please check the Web IDL changes
… I made one change and then committed something different
… Please take a look all
AB: please look at the new IDL changes
… and ask you to reply to the list if you do review
… Want a record that people looked at the change
AB: when I created the draft
agenda, I was hopeful we would have closed the comment
loop with all of the `Commenters` and thus we would be in a
position to determine if we have consensus to move the spec to
CR.
... we aren't quite there yet but might be by next week's
call.
AB: any status or news re
testing?
... it's a bit tricky to create tests when the implementations
are lacking which is a segue to our next topic ...
AB: any implementation status to share? When can we expect a Public version of IE that support the standard?
JR: I can't comment on specific release timeframes
… but we are following the spec closely
… and expect to update our implementation to conform to the spec
AB: anything new Matt re Mozilla?
MB: lots of discussion. Main issue is getting resources to work on it
AB: any status on the WebKit port
AV: on a weekly basis, we are posting updates
… you can track that on the WebKit forum
AB: do you have an idea when a WebKit-based browser will have an impl?
AV: I don't have any dates
… Rick might know more
… that is certainly our goal
AB: so in the mean time, use "MS"
prefix
... anything else on impl for today?
[ No ]
DS: I talked to some LeapMotion people at SxSW
… they want to make sure it works well with the Web
… LeapMotion is a 3D detector
… I respect JR's comment re z-axis
… There is a lot of buzz/interest re 3D
… Want to know though about the next steps to manage requests like this?
… Do we have a v2 feature list?
AB: yes, it is at the bottom of the agenda
DS: do we have a timeframe for v2?
… we have a good idea about v1 status
… have we publized the v2 list?
… can we say "it's X-X number of months before we start v2?"
… it will help with our engagement with folks like LeapMotion
… It could help bring them in
JR: I have also talked to Josh from LeapMotion and Bill
… I think our engagement has been useful
… I now have a LM device
… I think a projection of PE onto 3D can be done
… but there are some issues e.g. coordinate mapping
… I think we have done the right things for v1
… that facilitate the experimentation of other devices
… Re timeline for v2, agree a goal would be "noble"
… but I think we really need to finish v1 first
… Don't want to get distracted from finishing v1
DS: how complete is our test suite?
AB: maybe 1%
DS: so let's set a timeline for the test suite
<jrossi21> Work? who does that!?
… can we identify the assertions, what tests are needed
… understand that without impls, it is a bit hard to write tests
… There is a TestTheWebForward
MB: I can go to that since it is in Seattle
<jrossi21> http://testthewebforward.org/events/seattle-2013.html
<jrossi21> I should be there.
DS: would be good if some of us went to that event and asked for help
… need to know which tests we need
… could get some good tests
… Need to take steps to correct the test definciency
AB: agree it would be useful to tease out specific actions for the test suite
… FYI, Cathy made good progress on the Test Assertion document
<Cathy> http://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions
DS: that's great Cathy
AB: can anyone agree to take some assertions and create tests?
JR: I want to get my team involved
… we are committed to contribute
SG: I can help with some of the tests
AB: excellent
DS: can we identify different types of tests?
… f.ex. there is some commonality of pointerdown, pointerdown
… It could help with an event like TTWF
… Need a template that others can follow/use/extend
AV: would be useful to update the TA wiki with coverage and who is working on what
CC: I still need to do some more work
<asir> Congratulations Cathy!!
AB: could you please give us some status about which parts are complete and where we have gaps?
CC: yes, I can do that
<jrossi21> this is how Microsoft stress tests touch. Give your tablet to a 4 year old
<jrossi21> :-)
AB: if people can volunteer for assertions today, that would be great
… otherwise, send your TA items to the list
SG: ok; will do
DS: "compatibility tables" say where features are supported
… I have been doing some related automation work
… with WebPlatform.org, want the features' impl status to be current
… using a library from CanIUse.com
… working toward taking W3C test suites and report back to test assertions
… I could prototype taking our Impl results and mapping them to feature stability
AB: everyone please review the TA doc and notify the list when you identified the TAs you will create tests for
AV: what are the expectations for next call (April 9)?
AB: hopefully, we will be in a position to see if we have consensus to move to CR
… depends on the reponses from Yandex and Mose
AB: plan on a call on April
9
... meeting adjourned
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