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<trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 21 March 2013
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<davidb> \o/
<scribe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.html
ACTION-1175?
<trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
<cyns> hi
action-1175?
<trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
DB: these are compatible:
ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT means the role is exposed as a text
string.
... let me retract that. I was thinking of a different
enum.
... can we change it to "heading"?
JS: depends on whether IE agrees — we want interoperability.
DB: in some ways it doesn't matter, since ATs should be using the IA2 role.
JS: why not drop the MSAA part entirely?
<davidb> (fine with me)
CS: what if an AT isn't looking at IA2 information.
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look into UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1185 - Look into UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-03-28].
JS: so what about FF?
DB/CS: we shouldn't remove the MSAA role for graceful degradation.
<davidb> i updated the action.
JS: time frame?
DB: I need to discuss with one team member, and then I can give a ETA.
action-1183>
<trackbot> ACTION-1183 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to check UAIG for mapping a listbox to a menu when in a combobox. Also, fix this in test case 771 to reflect change. -- due 2013-03-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771
DB: we have a note in our code that it has role menu on ATK.
CS: I think it's just a paste error.
DB: we probably do it for IA2 —
let me look at our tests.
... I can't find it that way. No test for it.
JS: I could make a test file, and test IA2.
CS: If you make a test file, and test it for IA2 and AT-SPI, then send us a link.
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
action-851?
<trackbot> ACTION-851 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to look through APG design patterns re: menus for examples that relate to UAIG 5.8.4 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851
CS: mark it as at-risk, and that allows us to remove it without going to last call.
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_menus
CS: the overall question is: are ATs relying on these events?
JS: also, the events one sees
depends on the DHTML itself.
... I will bring this up with a neon sign at Mon's PF call.
CS: I also want feedback from the IE team.
DB: I've got to reach out to some people to find out why we fire these events.
CS: can you add an editorial note that we are considering removing these events.
JS: I will do that by end of day, and send an email to cynthia and david.
action-1152?
<trackbot> ACTION-1152 -- Cynthia Shelly to investigate whether a pure UIA implementation does not have a description field -- due 2013-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152
issue-551?
<trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
CS: I need to discuss with others. I will prioritize that.
JS: the problem is: if the desription has display:none, what is the pointer pointing to?
CS: to null, perhaps. But,
probably in the text field.
... but I will double check.
CS: can we get this done by next week?
JS: depends on how much time I have to do the last minute edits.
CS: Let's look at david's.
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5
DB/CS/JS: Lots of discussion about the bug to decipher it.
DB: alex wants the text put back into the UIA express column.
CS: why does it matter?
DB: interoperability: we have
landed some UIA express stuff.
... I need to reach out to alex and get more information.
... and the person who did the work.
action-1157?
<trackbot> ACTION-1157 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to expose proper mapping of aria-atomic for MSAA/IAccessible2 -- due 2013-02-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1157
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-atomic
DB: it is information to the
AT.
... if we collapse and not expose anything when false, then we
are taking away a little information.
... I think it's there for when the code is there, and we don't
do the check.
... what do you think?
JS: it's a lot of information to
add to the a11y tree.
... But, if the ATs gains something for it being there
explicitly, then add it.
davidb, you could type your thoughts.
<davidb> I think you need to leave this one with me as well. I think I'd like to consider fixing in FF.
<davidb> (or not)
davidb, can you resolve it by next week?
<davidb> Ask me Monday
so we can "document freeze"?
<davidb> which day?
we want document freeze by next Fri.
<davidb> ok i think so
<davidb> otherwise i'll help decide what to do with doc
that's good friday.
<davidb> right, still ok.
I suggest Apr 2 as document freeze day.
<davidb> +1
so: I want all the edits "on my desk" by the end of the next meeting (Mar 28)
that's not a smiley. Mar 28.
<davidb> ok sir
<davidb> sounds like a plan
thanks you all
we are done.
<davidb> and you
<davidb> ciao
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