IRC log of html-techs-tf on 2013-03-04

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17:02:50 [jamesn]
zakim, this is WAI_
17:02:50 [Zakim]
ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
17:03:02 [jamesn]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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+ +49.404.318.aaaa
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On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson, +49.404.318.aaaa
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+[IPcaller]
17:03:25 [jamesn]
zakim, +aaaa is Detlev
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sorry, jamesn, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
17:03:31 [Detlev]
Zakim, aaaa is Detlev
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+Detlev; got it
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zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
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+Loretta; got it
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+Marc_Johlic
17:04:48 [jamesn]
agenda+ Survey HTML Techniques Task Force for March 4th 2013
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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18_2_2013/
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meeting: HTML5 + ARIA Techniques for WCAG
17:06:25 [Detlev]
scribe: Detlev
17:07:48 [Detlev]
Looking at survey - few answers - apologies
17:09:23 [Detlev]
This is rthwe link to the survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18_2_2013/
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Walking through Loretta's comment
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Loretta: not sure why they were related to SC 1.3.1
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Loretta: should be applicable to SC 2.4.4
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Loretta: Question what will show up in things like SR link lists
17:12:39 [Detlev]
James: aria-describedby doesn't usually show up in link lists
17:12:44 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
17:13:11 [Detlev]
James: Why necessary to be in 2.4.4 rather than 2.4.9?
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James: Fear is that this technique will be seen as necessary for meeting 2.4.4
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Loretta: unsure what the issue is
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James: suggests to use an example where 2.4.4 would not be met without it
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Loreatta: Every 2.4.9 technique is also a 2.4.4 technique
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James: Proposes one example where 2.4.4 wouldn't be met without aria-describedby
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Marc: possibly looking at failures (F63) adapting for aria-described by
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http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F63.html
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James: suggestion was to amending one of the examples in F63 to add to this technique so it would help meeting 2.4.4
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-[IPcaller]
17:19:47 [Detlev]
Loretta: willing to make edits but questions remain
17:22:24 [Detlev]
Group making on-the-fly edits to technique http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby_for_link_purpose
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James: aria spec does not prescribe behaviour how AT would handle info in aria-describedby
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Loretta: Will give some indication that both the link text and description text will usually both be made available
17:31:42 [Detlev]
Loretta: either available at the vey end of accessible name , states etc, or offered as option to explore
17:33:17 [Detlev]
Loretta: Possibility to remove headings to meet 2.4.4 from sufficient to advisory
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James: but this may not happen
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Loretta: shall we drop example 7, and what do you think of ex. 3?
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James: Example 3 not ideal, may be covered by other examples
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Lortetta: suggest dropping Ex. 3 and 7
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James: seconds that
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James: Example 7 may not actually work anyway
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Same applies to example 6 - needs testing
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Detlev: Proposes testing example 6 in that technique
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Detlev: suggests links to AT support database once it's there
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Loretta: Detailed level of support info not usually part of WCAG techniques - changes too quickly
17:42:07 [Detlev]
Moving to Technique "Using aria-label for link purpose" http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label_for_link_purpose
17:43:44 [Detlev]
James: If someone's using the A11y API to compute the list of links they would get the aria-label info, if they use the DOM, they wouldn't
17:45:49 [Detlev]
James: Could be 2.4.9 Candidate
17:46:16 [Detlev]
james: Accordign to aria spec aria-label should override / replace the link text
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James: Good practice to start aria-label text with the same text as the link text - "Read more.." replaced by "Read more about Seminole tax hike"
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(On-the -fly changes to technique being made by James)
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(...explaining/reinforcing the replacement rule according to the spec's acessible name computation)
17:52:02 [Detlev]
Marc: should we include the link?
17:52:16 [jamesn]
http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#textalternativecomputation
17:52:28 [Detlev]
James: its called text alternative comutation
17:53:02 [Detlev]
sorry, text alternative computation
17:53:29 [jongund]
I have to go
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-Jon_Gunderson
17:54:44 [Detlev]
James: adding reference to SC 2.4.9
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Support notes need to be updated
17:58:26 [jamesn]
rrsagent, make minutes
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zakim, please part
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson, +49.404.318.aaaa, Detlev, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, [IPcaller]
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chair: JamesNurthen
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