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<trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013

Chair

Sean Hayes

<scribe> scribenick: mmartin3

<Sean> I havent prepared much for today

<Sean> but I want to try and get a handle on what is outstanding to complete the SE

Regrets Glenn Adams

sean: No agenda. In between work items.
... SDP-US published http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/
... TTML 1.0 SE draft published
... Quantify TTML 1.0.
... 1.0 issues to address in 1.1.

Issues

Issue-156?

<trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- semantics of missing #feature -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156

mike: Should we discuss if #profile is author or for decoder?

sean: Player is a known feature but wasn't originally envisioned.
... Include in TTML 1.1.

mike: Not an authoring profile but a directive to the processor to reject the document if features aren't supported.

mmartin3: Glenn's proposal Actiion 53. http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/53

mike: Address in 1.1 agreed.

mmartin3: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/81b0eec0faae Draft Glenn posted.

sean: Issue-156 is TTML 1.0.. Label as such.
... Issue-156 is in progress and close Feb 14.

Issue-157?

<trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- transformation profile -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157

mike: Defer to TTMl 1.1.

sean: Agreed.
... Issue-157 is TTML 1.1.

pal: Aspect ratio discussion?

sean: Get Netflix to join the meeting.

mmartin: aacc is David Ronca for Netflix

sean: Defer Issue-157 to Feb 14.

Issue-162?

<trackbot> ISSUE-162 -- profile discrepancy -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162

mike: Could handle in SE.

sean: Agree. Address Issue-162 in TTML 1.0 SE.
... Can you identify the discrepancies in profile definiton in TTML 1.0?

mike: My questions were with the full dxfp.

sean: Discuss Feb 14.

Action Sean Call for Action to identify discrepancies in TTML 1.0 on different profiles.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Call for Action to identify discrepancies in TTML 1.0 on different profiles. [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-02-14].

Issue-163?

<trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Clarify use of cell units in certain properties -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/163

sean: Some properties need clarification on what direction they are working in.
... Will work on to place on agenda for Feb 14.

Issue-166?

<trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- authoritative schemaLocation for authoritative schemas like TTML -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/166

sean: Where schemas live.
... PLH was is the common practice to reference schemas?
... Which is definitive one?

plh: Make them informative outside of the specification to allow them to exist in one place and maintain.
... Changing practices over the years.
... Easier to maintain.

sean: Remove from SE and then point to schemas.
... Open .xsd that can be referenced from tools.

mike: Current annexes with schemas are normative.

sean: Normative prose not XML.
... Don't preempt the text.

plh: We're not changing an implementation or the semantics.

mike: What about the multiple files that exist for TTML?
... Common location for .zip

plh: Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.

Resolved to remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas for TTML 1.0 SE.

Action Glenn Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].

Action PLH to Provide location to Glenn for unwrapped schemas.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Provide location to Glenn for unwrapped schemas. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-02-14].

Issue-168?

<trackbot> ISSUE-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168

sean: This should be against TTML 1.1.

mmartin3: Done.
... TTML.next.

Issue-170?

<trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- Section 5.2 para 8 is vague regarding optionality of specifying profile in case where profile is negotiated/determined by 'document interchange process' -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/170

sean: Issue indicates Glenn added text to TTML 1.0 SE.

<scribe> ...In progress.

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: Address Feb 14 if Glenn is present.

Issue-172?

<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- REGION-OF(E) pseudo-code doesn't match prose -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/172

sean: Glenn is working on that one. Defer. TTML 1.0 SE scope.

mike: Issue-171?

mmartin3: Glenn did post in Sept 2012: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542

Issue-171?

<trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- need to clarify meaning of "prune" in 9.3.2 -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/171

sean: Sean reads the text that Glenn proposed: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
... Reasonable.

mike: Agreed.

<scribe> Closed Issue-171 based on Glenn's text and integrate into TTML 1.0 SE: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542.

Issue-173?

<trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- presentation semantics of control characters and other unmapped characters -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173

sean: Defer to TTML 1.1.

Issue-175?

<trackbot> ISSUE-175 -- media type and file extension not registered -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/175

mike: Provided text in Dec 2012. Glenn rejected the text last week.

sean: Will review comments from Glenn.
... TTML 1.0 SE.

Issue-178?

<trackbot> ISSUE-178 -- initial values and style set calculations are unclear, especially for transformable attributes -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178

mike: 8.4 doesn't handle initial values for attributes.

sean: Glenn is aware of the problem.

Action Glenn Respond to Issue-178 from Dolan.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Respond to Issue-178 from Dolan. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].

Issue-179?

<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179

sean: Propose to add to discussion Feb 14. Action to me to propose revisions.

Issue-180?

<trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- regions relative to the root container -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/180

mike: Glenn felt strongly about leaving it unconstrained but addressed in SDP-US.
... Negative extents?

sean: May be more than one interpretation on the semantics.
... Not constrain TTML.

mike: Wouldn't know what to do with negative extents.

sean: Position above the video and dependent on display processor if it is clipped.
... Say negative extents don't mean anything. Should we prohibit?
... Ask Glenn to clarify if negative extents remain.
... Make non-negative integer.

Action Glenn to identify if he would support a negative extent based on discussion to Issue-180?

<trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Identify if he would support a negative extent based on discussion to Issue-180? [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].

mmartin3: Issue indicates we would clarify in TTML 1.0 SE and address more substantively in TTML 1.1.

mike: Need to resolve negative extent.

sean: Moving the region off the root container should be fine. Negative extent is not well defined however.
... Could handle if XSL-FO handles this.
... No other issues for today.
... No other business.
... Traveling for a couple of weeks. Interim chair?
... Adjourn.

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