IRC log of tt on 2013-02-07

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14:58:54 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be TTML
14:58:54 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:55 [trackbot]: Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:58:55 [Sean]: just sent.
14:58:55 [trackbot]: Date: 07 February 2013
14:58:59 [mmartin3]: Chair
14:59:01 [mmartin3]: Sean Hayes
14:59:05 [mmartin3]: scribenick: mmartin3
14:59:12 [mmartin3]: Zakim, this will be TTML
14:59:12 [Zakim]: ok, mmartin3; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:14 [Sean]: I havent prepared much for today
14:59:31 [Sean]: but I want to try and get a handle on what is outstanding to complete the SE
14:59:37 [Frans_de_Jong__EBU_]: Frans_de_Jong__EBU_ has joined #tt
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15:01:35 [mmartin3]: zakim, list attendees?
15:01:35 [Zakim]: I don't understand your question, mmartin3.
15:01:43 [mmartin3]: zakim, list attendees
15:01:43 [Zakim]: sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is
15:01:52 [mmartin3]: zakim, this is TTML
15:01:52 [Zakim]: ok, mmartin3; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
15:01:59 [mmartin3]: zakim, list attendees
15:01:59 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike
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15:02:08 [mmartin3]: zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
15:02:08 [Zakim]: +mmartin3; got it
15:02:38 [Zakim]: +pal
15:02:41 [mmartin3]: zakim, aaaa is Frans_deJong_EBU_
15:02:41 [Zakim]: +Frans_deJong_EBU_; got it
15:03:25 [mmartin3]: Regrets Glenn Adams
15:03:31 [mmartin3]: zakim, list attendees
15:03:31 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike, mmartin3, pal, Frans_deJong_EBU_
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15:03:35 [Zakim]: + +1.617.347.aabb
15:03:38 [Zakim]: +Plh
15:04:17 [mmartin3]: sean: No agenda. In between work items.
15:04:40 [Zakim]: + +1.408.515.aacc
15:04:55 [mmartin3]: ...SDP-US published http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/
15:05:04 [mmartin3]: ...TTML 1.0 SE draft published
15:05:14 [mmartin3]: ...Quantify TTML 1.0.
15:06:08 [mmartin3]: ....1.0 issues to address in 1.1.
15:06:23 [mmartin3]: TOPIC: Issues
15:06:34 [mmartin3]: Issue-156?
15:06:34 [trackbot]: ISSUE-156 -- semantics of missing #feature -- open
15:06:34 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156
15:08:22 [mmartin3]: mike: Should we discuss if #profile is author or for decoder?
15:08:42 [mmartin3]: sean: Player is a known feature but wasn't originally envisioned.
15:08:50 [mmartin3]: ...Include in TTML 1.1.
15:09:20 [mmartin3]: mike: Not an authoring profile but a directive to the processor to reject the document if features aren't supported.
15:09:47 [mmartin3]: mmartin3: Glenn's proposal Actiion 53. http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/53
15:09:57 [mmartin3]: mike: Address in 1.1 agreed.
15:10:35 [mmartin3]: mmartin3: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/81b0eec0faae Draft Glenn posted.
15:11:50 [Zakim]: - +1.617.347.aabb
15:12:07 [mmartin3]: sean: Issue-156 is TTML 1.1. Label as such.
15:12:35 [mmartin3]: s/1.1/1.0.
15:12:59 [mmartin3]: ...Issue-156 is in progress and close Feb 14.
15:13:03 [mmartin3]: Issue-157?
15:13:03 [trackbot]: ISSUE-157 -- transformation profile -- open
15:13:03 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157
15:14:25 [mmartin3]: mike: Defer to TTMl 1.1.
15:14:29 [mmartin3]: sean: Agreed.
15:14:42 [mmartin3]: ...Issue-157 is TTML 1.1.
15:14:52 [mmartin3]: pal: Aspect ratio discussion?
15:15:11 [mmartin3]: sean: Get Netflix to join the meeting.
15:15:23 [Zakim]: + +1.617.347.aadd
15:16:00 [mmartin3]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:16:00 [Zakim]: On the phone I see mmartin3, sean, Frans_deJong_EBU_, mike, pal, Plh, +1.408.515.aacc, +1.617.347.aadd
15:17:20 [mmartin3]: zakim, aadd is mjordan
15:17:20 [Zakim]: +mjordan; got it
15:17:46 [mmartin3]: mmartin: aacc is David Ronca for Netflix
15:18:01 [Zakim]: - +1.408.515.aacc
15:18:09 [mmartin3]: sean: Defer Issue-157 to Feb 14.
15:18:11 [mmartin3]: Issue-162?
15:18:11 [trackbot]: ISSUE-162 -- profile discrepancy -- open
15:18:11 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162
15:19:26 [mmartin3]: mike: Could handle in SE.
15:20:18 [mmartin3]: sean: Agree. Address Issue-162 in TTML 1.0 SE.
15:20:41 [mmartin3]: sean: Can you identify the discrepancies in profile definiton in TTML 1.0?
15:20:59 [mmartin3]: mike: My questions were with the full dxfp.
15:21:05 [mmartin3]: sean: Discuss Feb 14.
15:22:22 [mmartin3]: Action Sean Call for Action to identify discrepancies in TTML 1.0 on different profiles.
15:22:22 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-141 - Call for Action to identify discrepancies in TTML 1.0 on different profiles. [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-02-14].
15:22:32 [mmartin3]: Issue-163?
15:22:32 [trackbot]: ISSUE-163 -- Clarify use of cell units in certain properties -- open
15:22:32 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/163
15:23:29 [mmartin3]: sean: Some properties need clarification on what direction they are working in.
15:23:37 [mmartin3]: ..Will work on to place on agenda for Feb 14.
15:24:01 [mmartin3]: Issue-166?
15:24:01 [trackbot]: ISSUE-166 -- authoritative schemaLocation for authoritative schemas like TTML -- open
15:24:01 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/166
15:24:25 [mmartin3]: sean: Where schemas live.
15:24:53 [mmartin3]: sean: PLH was is the common practice to reference schemas?
15:25:24 [mmartin3]: ...Which is definitive one?
15:25:48 [mmartin3]: plh: Make them informative outside of the specification to allow them to exist in one place and maintain.
15:25:55 [mmartin3]: ...Changing practices over the years.
15:26:00 [mmartin3]: ...Easier to maintain.
15:26:19 [mmartin3]: sean: Remove from SE and then point to schemas.
15:26:36 [mmartin3]: ...Open .xsd that can be referenced from tools.
15:26:45 [mmartin3]: mike: Current annexes with schemas are normative.
15:27:16 [mmartin3]: sean: Normative proose not XML.
15:27:22 [mmartin3]: s/proose/prose
15:27:45 [mmartin3]: ...Don't preempt the text.
15:28:08 [mmartin3]: plh: We're not changing an implementation or the semantics.
15:29:11 [mmartin3]: mike: What about the multiple files that exist for TTML?
15:29:52 [mmartin3]: ...Common location for .zip
15:31:32 [Zakim]: -mjordan
15:31:53 [Zakim]: +mjordan
15:32:05 [mmartin3]: plh: Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.
15:32:27 [mmartin3]: Resolved to remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas for TTML 1.0 SE.
15:32:41 [mmartin3]: Action Glenn Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.
15:32:42 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-142 - Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
15:32:56 [mmartin3]: Action PLH to Provide location to Glenn for unwrapped schemas.
15:32:56 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-143 - Provide location to Glenn for unwrapped schemas. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-02-14].
15:33:42 [mmartin3]: Issue-168?
15:33:42 [trackbot]: ISSUE-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements -- open
15:33:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168
15:34:20 [mmartin3]: sean: This should be against TTML 1.1.
15:35:38 [mmartin3]: mmartin3: Done.
15:36:08 [mmartin3]: ...TTML.next.
15:36:26 [mmartin3]: Issue-170?
15:36:26 [trackbot]: ISSUE-170 -- Section 5.2 para 8 is vague regarding optionality of specifying profile in case where profile is negotiated/determined by 'document interchange process' -- open
15:36:26 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/170
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15:39:39 [mmartin3]: sean: Issue indicates Glenn added text to TTML 1.0 SE.
15:39:42 [mmartin3]: ...In progress.
15:40:08 [mmartin3]: ...Address Feb 14 if Glenn is present.
15:40:56 [mmartin3]: Issue-172?
15:40:56 [trackbot]: ISSUE-172 -- REGION-OF(E) pseudo-code doesn't match prose -- open
15:40:56 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/172
15:41:07 [mmartin3]: sean: Glenn is working on that one. Defer. TTML 1.0 SE scope.
15:41:36 [mmartin3]: mike: Issue-171?
15:42:14 [mmartin3]: mmartin3: Glenn did post in Sept 2012: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
15:42:20 [mmartin3]: Issue-171?
15:42:20 [trackbot]: ISSUE-171 -- need to clarify meaning of "prune" in 9.3.2 -- pending review
15:42:20 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/171
15:43:06 [mmartin3]: sean: Sean reads the text that Glenn proposed: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
15:43:12 [mmartin3]: ...Reasonable.
15:43:19 [mmartin3]: mike: Agreed.
15:43:49 [mmartin3]: Closed Issue-171 based on Glenn's text and integrate into TTML 1.0 SE: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542.
15:44:16 [mmartin3]: Issue-173?
15:44:16 [trackbot]: ISSUE-173 -- presentation semantics of control characters and other unmapped characters -- open
15:44:16 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173
15:44:43 [mmartin3]: sean: Defer to TTML 1.1.
15:45:37 [mmartin3]: Issue-175?
15:45:37 [trackbot]: ISSUE-175 -- media type and file extension not registered -- open
15:45:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/175
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15:45:55 [mmartin3]: mike: Provided text in Dec 2012. Glenn rejected the text last week.
15:46:06 [mmartin3]: sean: Will review comments from Glenn.
15:46:10 [mmartin3]: ...TTML 1.0 SE.
15:46:17 [mmartin3]: Issue-178?
15:46:17 [trackbot]: ISSUE-178 -- initial values and style set calculations are unclear, especially for transformable attributes -- open
15:46:17 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178
15:47:05 [mmartin3]: mike: 8.4 doesn't handle initial values for attributes.
15:47:21 [mmartin3]: sean: Glenn is aware of the problem.
15:47:54 [mmartin3]: Action Glenn Respond to Issue-178 from Dolan.
15:47:54 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-144 - Respond to Issue-178 from Dolan. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
15:48:06 [mmartin3]: Issue-179?
15:48:06 [trackbot]: ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- open
15:48:06 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179
15:49:02 [mmartin3]: sean: Propose to add to discussion Feb 14. Action to me to propose revisions.
15:49:29 [mmartin3]: Issue-180?
15:49:30 [trackbot]: ISSUE-180 -- regions relative to the root container -- open
15:49:30 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/180
15:50:34 [mmartin3]: mike: Glenn felt strongly about leaving it unconstrained but addressed in SDP-US.
15:51:26 [mmartin3]: ...Negative extents?
15:51:44 [mmartin3]: sean: May be more than one interpretation on the semantics.
15:51:53 [mmartin3]: ...Not constrain TTML.
15:52:08 [mmartin3]: mike: Wouldn't know what to do with negative extents.
15:52:30 [mmartin3]: sean: Postiion above the video and dependent on display processor if it is clipped.
15:53:43 [mmartin3]: ...Say negative extents don't mean anything. Should we prohibit?
15:53:53 [mmartin3]: s/Postiion/Position
15:54:06 [mmartin3]: ...Ask Glenn to clarify if negative extents remain.
15:54:50 [mmartin3]: ...Make non-negative integer.
15:55:20 [mmartin3]: Action Glenn to identify if he would support a negative extent based on discussion to Issue-180?
15:55:20 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-145 - Identify if he would support a negative extent based on discussion to Issue-180? [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
15:56:27 [mmartin3]: mmartin3: Issue indicates we would clarify in TTML 1.0 SE and address more substantively in TTML 1.1.
15:56:46 [mmartin3]: mike: Need to resolve negative extent.
15:57:22 [mmartin3]: sean: Moving the region off the root container should be fine. Negative extent is not well defined however.
15:57:57 [mmartin3]: ...Could handle if XSD handles this.
15:58:07 [mmartin3]: s/XSD/XSL-FO
15:59:18 [mmartin3]: sean: No other issues for today.
15:59:25 [mmartin3]: ...No other business.
15:59:35 [mmartin3]: ...Traveling for a couple of weeks. Interim chair?
15:59:37 [mmartin3]: ...Adjourn.
15:59:46 [mmartin3]: zakim, list attendees
15:59:46 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike, mmartin3, pal, Frans_deJong_EBU_, +1.617.347.aabb, Plh, +1.408.515.aacc, +1.617.347.aadd, mjordan
15:59:50 [Zakim]: -Plh
15:59:51 [Zakim]: -Frans_deJong_EBU_
15:59:51 [Zakim]: -mjordan
15:59:52 [mmartin3]: trackbot, end meeting
15:59:52 [trackbot]: Zakim, list attendees
15:59:53 [Zakim]: -mike
15:59:53 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike, mmartin3, pal, Frans_deJong_EBU_, +1.617.347.aabb, Plh, +1.408.515.aacc, +1.617.347.aadd, mjordan
15:59:54 [Zakim]: -pal
15:59:55 [Zakim]: -sean
16:00:00 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:00 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:01 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, bye
16:00:01 [RRSAgent]: I see no action items