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17:20:32 <Joshue108> zakim, this is 9224
17:20:32 <Zakim> Joshue108, this was already WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
17:20:33 <Zakim> ok, Joshue108; that matches WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
17:20:38 <Joshue108> :-)
17:20:46 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
17:20:55 <jongund> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#button
17:21:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
17:21:15 <Joshue108> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is Joshue
17:21:15 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
17:21:38 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
17:21:38 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
17:21:39 <Zakim> 1. 1) Actions for dealing with technique feedback. [from Joshue108]
17:21:39 <Zakim> 2. 2) Progressing the new 'User Agent Testing Methodology and Notes' document. http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/UAtesting [from Joshue108]
17:21:39 <Zakim> 3. Discuss of next tranche of techniques [from Joshue108]
17:21:39 <Zakim> 4. Discussion of new User Agent Testing Methodology and Notes. [from Joshue108]
17:21:39 <Zakim> 5. Discussion on latest technique feedback. [from Joshue108]
17:21:42 <Zakim> 6. Draw up next round of techniques for review. [from Joshue108]
17:21:42 <Zakim> 7. Progressing the new 'User Agent Testing Methodology and Notes' document. [from 1 via Joshue108]
17:21:54 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:21:54 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
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17:23:12 <Loretta_> wireless and skype appear to be fighting again this moring. :-(
17:23:17 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
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17:23:46 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/04feb2013/results
17:23:56 <shadi> ack me
17:24:14 <Loretta_> will try one more time...
17:24:39 <Zakim> +??P10
17:24:59 <shadi> zakim, mute me
17:24:59 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
17:27:26 <jamesn> zakim, pick a victim
17:27:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jon_Gunderson
17:28:03 <shadi> ack me
17:28:10 <jamesn> scribeNick: marcjohlic
17:28:39 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Discussion of Accessibility Support Database w/ Shadi
17:29:28 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label_for_1.1.1#User_Agent_notes
17:30:32 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label_for_1.1.1#Example_1
17:31:27 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
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17:31:41 <Zakim> -??P10
17:32:05 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Rather than statically entering User Agent Notes and code samples in each technique, they would be housed in ASD and techniques could link to them.
17:32:46 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  as technology updates, the ASD would be updated - keeping examples and notes more dynamic and up to date
17:33:05 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Currently prototyping and testing
17:33:28 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
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17:34:03 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Still working on details on how to get from A to B - if this group agrees to use
17:34:18 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
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17:34:34 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Test samples would be in the tool so anyone could go and run tests
17:35:37 <Zakim> +??P0
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17:37:22 <Zakim> -??P0
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17:38:01 <marcjohlic> JN:  Looks good - but there is a concern about adding any extra things for us to do as a group due to the limited number of participants in this group.
17:38:11 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Shadi may have the bandwidth to help with that
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17:38:34 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  During initial phase we will have resources that can help do testing on several different configurations
17:39:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
17:39:25 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  We could work in tandem.  You could provide a list of techniques that we could test.
17:39:55 <marcjohlic> JOC:  This could run independently and could add support - and a way to demonstrate without much overhead
17:40:20 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Believe it is worthwhile
17:40:53 <marcjohlic> JN:  Does the tool have a way of linking to the final query page?  If i want to publish an aria technique, can i link directly to the page on where this is supported
17:41:32 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Yes - still working on functionality - but idea is that you could deep link to exactly the portion (or embed it into your technique)
17:41:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
17:41:57 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  It's an open interface with the idea of being able to pull data from it
17:42:18 <Loretta> hello?
17:42:47 <Loretta> just checking to see if I lost irc as well as skype. :-(
17:43:02 <jongund> http://oaa-accessibility.org/examples/
17:43:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
17:43:27 <marcjohlic> JN:  How do you support partially supported in ASD?
17:43:59 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Use of comment field - also expect that there may be conflicting results and that may show where AT is hard to use and interpret
17:44:26 <marcjohlic> JN:  Concern where AT may work - but where users don't know the correct way to use it to get the proper result
17:44:53 <marcjohlic> JOC:  All we can really say is that this technique is supported when following proper technique.  Somethign that will always be an issue.
17:47:54 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  User interface can be adapted to provide more clarity (highlight comments / best answers features)
17:48:21 <Joshue108> s/Somethign/Something
17:51:09 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:51:09 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
17:52:11 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
17:52:11 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
17:52:38 <marcjohlic> JG:  How will people be recruited and know what to test?
17:53:22 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  We don't want to open it too much just yet.   Beginning would be just working with this group.
17:53:55 <marcjohlic> JG:  Will test cases have expected results?
17:55:28 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Writing the test is the critical part and we would not be able to do on your behalf - but maybe with your assistance.  Idea is that a test would be entered (and described).
17:56:22 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/index.php?title=Techniques/UAtesting
17:57:05 <jongund> have to go to another call
17:57:11 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
17:58:34 <Loretta> A problem that we have long needed to solve Not sure how realistic it will be.
17:58:47 <Loretta> Don't want to gate ARIA techiques, but think it is worth trying,
17:58:57 <Joshue108> ok, thanks Loretta
18:00:26 <Zakim> -Robin
18:00:43 <Loretta> Note: Shadi's "test" is our "example"
18:00:51 <Joshue108> right
18:00:54 <Loretta> I don't think our test procedures are generally usable this way
18:01:15 <Joshue108> Have you any ideas for how we can make them more dynamic/testable?
18:01:19 <marcjohlic> JN:  What's the timeline
18:01:46 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  We're working on prototyping where we can work with you.  We have funding through 9/2015.
18:02:03 <marcjohlic> JN:  When would we be able to put this in a technique that we want to publish?
18:02:23 <marcjohlic> Shadi:  Hoping by the summer / June
18:02:27 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
18:08:05 <Loretta> Sorry, folks, I need to go...
18:08:13 <jamesn> jsfiddle.net
18:08:14 <Joshue108> no bother.bye
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18:10:31 <marcjohlic> rrsagent, make log world
18:10:42 <marcjohlic> rrsagent, make minutes
18:10:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/04-html-techs-tf-minutes.html marcjohlic
18:10:45 <Zakim> -Joshue
18:10:51 <Zakim> -Shadi
18:11:05 <jamesn> zakim, please part
18:11:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Jon_Gunderson, Shadi, James_Nurthen, Robin, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, [IPcaller], Joshue
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18:11:39 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
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