IRC log of html-wg on 2013-01-17
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be html_wg
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- ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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- Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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- Date: 17 January 2013
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- +Radhika_Roy
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- +[Microsoft.a]
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- http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-html-wg-minutes.html say Rik will scribe.
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- +cabanier
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- zakim, microsoft.a has me, Erika, Jay
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- +Eliot, Erika, Jay; got it
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- +??P46
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- + +1.971.998.aacc
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- +??P50
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- zakim, who is on the call?
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- On the phone I see [Microsoft], +33.9.51.58.aaaa, +1.781.568.aabb, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, ??P46, +1.971.998.aacc, ??P50
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- zakim, ??P46 is me
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- [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
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- +David_Carlisle
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- +glenn; got it
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- zakim, ??P50 is Janina
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- +Janina; got it
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- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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- +paulc; got it
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- scribenick: cabanier
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- +[Apple]
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- zakim, +1.781.568.aabb is Mat Marquis
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- I don't understand '+1.781.568.aabb is Mat Marquis', Wilto
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- Zakim, Apple is me
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- +hober; got it
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- Well, I tried.
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- Zakim, aabb is Wilto
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- +Wilto; got it
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- +Laura_Carlson
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- thanks, hober.
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JanMar/0004.html
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- +yoav
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- +christian
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- +[Microsoft.aa]
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- zakim, who is on the call?
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- On the phone I see [Microsoft], +33.9.51.58.aaaa, Wilto, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, glenn, +1.971.998.aacc, Janina, David_Carlisle, hober, Laura_Carlson, christian,
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- ... [Microsoft.aa]
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- [Microsoft] has paulc
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- [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
- 17:04:37 [adrianba]
- zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
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- +adrianba; got it
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- zakim, 1.781.568.aabb is Wilto
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- sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named '1.781.568.aabb'
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- Zakim, +33.9.51.58.aaaa is me
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- +yoav; got it
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- topic ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
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- topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
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- +[IPcaller]
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- none
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- Regrets+ Daniel_Austin
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- topic: New Issues This Week
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- topic: ISSUE-207: Adaptive and responsive images
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- ISSUE-207?
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- ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
- 17:06:39 [laura_]
- If the responsive images group wants to pursue incorporating the picture element into HTML5.0, they can do so. But I withdraw my tracker request. I wish them the best.
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- paulc: we have a call for consensus which is later on the agenda
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- paulc: … we updated the assumption for all the other tracker issues
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- topic: Bug 20082 (Microdata) - Change Microdata specification track to W3C Note
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20082
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- paulc: should microdata be a rec or a note? this is also later on the agenda
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- topic: Bug 12725 (Polyglot) - Document should be on the Note-track
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12725
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- paulc: this is the same
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- paulc: the chairs are going the preference poll one at a time
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- paulc: have we done those previously?
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- paulc: we want to make sure that the survey mechanism is working correctly
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- paulc: we will do the survey when microdata closes
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- topic: Bug 12726 (Alt techniques in HTML) - Document should be on the Note-track
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12726
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- paulc: we had a specific request to put this item on hold
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- See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0002.html
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- paulc: Steve Falckner sent the chairs a note to wait until implementation details
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- paulc: …as of yet no bugs are filed but we expect that they will
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- paulc: … janina is going to work on this
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- paulc: … the chairs are going to leave this as outstanding
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- topic: Bug 13409 - Defining Entity references for characters in XHTML
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13409
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- paulc: we had a proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0021.html
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- +Tantek
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- paulc: David Carlisle is going to work with the group on an extension spec
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- paulc: what is the status of the spec?
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- davidc: I'm not sure about the procedure
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- davidc: the spec is not on a rec track
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- paulc: is it xhtml- pubid?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/xhtmlpubid.html
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- davidc: yes
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- paulc: what should happen to the document?
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- paulc: you should take the text from your message but send it to public-html
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- paulc: and provide your solution
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- davidc: that sounds good
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- -Laura_Carlson
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- Zakim, mute tantek
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- Zakim, who is here?
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- Tantek should now be muted
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- On the phone I see [Microsoft], yoav, Wilto, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, glenn, +1.971.998.aacc, Janina, David_Carlisle, hober, christian, adrianba, [IPcaller],
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- ... Tantek
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- [Microsoft] has paulc
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- [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
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- On IRC I see tantek, tpod, edoyle, jarek, Marcos2, jaymunro, Barbara, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, MFoladare, rubys, Eliot, paulc, cabanier, davidc, adrianba, dveditz, Wilto, tinkster,
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- ... heath, davidb, plh, IanPouncey, ArtB, nonge, Stevef, Lachy
- 17:15:07 [cabanier]
- davidc: it would be good that the implementors are aware of the issue
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- davidc: and if people have comments
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- q?
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- topic: Bug 15213 - Drag-and-drop processing model
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15213
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- paulc: this item was reopened
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- paulc: I didn't have time to research it
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- paulc: I wonder what is going on. Sam, do you know?
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- rubys: … (?)
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- paulc: so this was raised by john?
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- paulc: is there precedent to move from 5.1 to 5.0
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- s/... (?)/we should process as a 5.1 issue/
- 17:18:15 [cabanier]
- paulc: we may move this to 5.1 and Sam is going investigate if this is OK and not setting a precedent
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- paulc: if it's a feature request, we can simply put it in 5.1
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- topic: Items Closed Last Week
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- paulc: none
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- topic:: Items Closing This Week
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- topic: CfC: to publish Media Source Extensions specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0005.html
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- paulc: that closed last night and there were no objections
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- paulc: this CfC has passed
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0039.html
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- paulc: … so we will publish this
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- paulc: … Adrian and aaron are the editors and worked with Mike Smith to get this published
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- paulc: … I will ask for a transition request
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- paulc: … probably today or tomorrow
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- topic: Items Closing Next Week
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- topic: CfC: handle ISSUE-207 responsive-images consistently with Plan 2014 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0020.html
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- ISSUE-207?
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- ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
- 17:22:18 [cabanier]
- paulc: there is a fair amound of position taking and there is topical discussion going on
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- hober: laura is withdrawing her tracker request
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- Wilto: I'm in the responsive images community group
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- “If the responsive images group wants to pursue incorporating the picture
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- element into HTML5.0, they can do so. But I withdraw my tracker request. I wish
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- them the best.”
- 17:24:13 [cabanier]
- Wilto: around 9:10, laura_ said that
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- paulc: she is not a member of the WG so she can't withdraw
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- paulc: we will not withdraw the CFC
- 17:25:00 [rubys]
- s/so she can't withdraw//
- 17:25:33 [cabanier]
- topic: New Surveys this week
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- topic: Preference Survey: Microdata Note vs Recommendation Track http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0022.html
- 17:25:43 [cabanier]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/
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- paulc: should it be a rec or a note? we have a poll
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- paulc: .. the interim result 17 yes and 4 no
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- Interim results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/results
- 17:26:53 [cabanier]
- paulc: it looks like the yes vote is in the lead. This is a simple majority vote
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- topic: Decisions this week
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- None
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- topic: Other Business
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- topic: Status of CfC for Encrypted Media Extensions, ETA next week Current Candidate FPWD (not yet completed):
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- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-fpwd.html
- 17:27:35 [cabanier]
- paulc: we have a candidate draft document.
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- paulc: the taskforce has 1 more bug that they need to close. This has delayed the process by a week
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- paulc: … it will open up next tuesday probable
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- topic: Publishing Use Cases and <picture> document through HTMLWG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2012Dec/0087.html
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- paulc: i put this on the agenda to figure out the status
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- hober: there are 4 to 5 src-set bug and try to work though them
- 17:29:19 [cabanier]
- hober: … I don't think <picture> needs to wait for src-set.
- 17:29:37 [Wilto]
- http://picture.responsiveimages.org/#relationship-to-srcset
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- Wilto: looking through the src-set bugs, they are addressed by the picture spec
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- Wilto: … there is overlap
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- Wilto: I'm unsure how to coordinate
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- paulc: maybe someone can give us the list of bugs on src-src
- 17:30:26 [rubys]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=The%20srcset%20attribute&product=HTML%20WG&list_id=4252
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- s/src-src/src-set
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- s/src-set/srcset/
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- paulc: I suggest that people comment on these bugs
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- paulc: … there was thinking that we should publish the 2 documents at the same time and that they should point to each other
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- paulc: … they are 2 proposals for the same use-cases
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- (Some of the same use-cases.)
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- paulc: … I wonder if we can wait 2 more weeks until Hober fixes his bugs
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- Wilto: …(?)
- 17:33:04 [cabanier]
- Hober: 2 weeks is fine. I will try to do it faster.
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- -David_Carlisle
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- paulc: the chairs are tracking this
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- “Where some of the outstanding `srcset` bugs are addressed by the `picture` extension specification, we may not be able to close them without knowing more about the status of the `picture` extension spec.”
- 17:34:25 [cabanier]
- ???: there are duplicate bugs between w3c and whatwg bugs
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- hober: the bugs are cloned so they are linked together
- 17:34:42 [Wilto]
- “If `picture` should pass, it would effectively close some of these bugs. If not, they would need to be addressed in another way before the `srcset` bugs can be closed.”
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- hober: I'm tracking it in both places
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- paulc: are all the bugs assigned to you, hober?
- 17:35:04 [cabanier]
- hober: yes, they are
- 17:35:23 [cabanier]
- paulc: thanks yoav for noticing that
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- topic: HTML core spec bug reorganization
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0014.html
- 17:35:49 [cabanier]
- paulc: robin started the message about how we can reorg the bugs
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- paulc: … I want to make it to people's attention that we will move things around
- 17:36:29 [cabanier]
- paulc: … most of the bugs are under html5 and many in html.next
- 17:37:04 [cabanier]
- paulc: … does anyone have comments or questions? If so, post them to the admin list
- 17:37:19 [cabanier]
- topic: CfC: to publish ARIA in HTML specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0006.html
- 17:37:34 [cabanier]
- paulc: this cfc passed some time ago and is awaiting publication
- 17:37:47 [cabanier]
- paulc: is anyone on the call that can update us?
- 17:37:54 [cabanier]
- (silence)
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- paulc: the transition request for the documents has not been sent to the chairs list yet
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- paulc: I have 2 pending requests.
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- paulc: are there any other questions?
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
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- topic: Chair/scribe for next meeting
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- paulc: Maciej will most likely chair
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- paulc: who wants to scribe
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- no scribe volunteer
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- HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.781.568.aabb, Sam, Radhika_Roy, cabanier, Eliot, Erika, Jay, +1.971.998.aacc, David_Carlisle, glenn, Janina, paulc, hober, Wilto, Laura_Carlson, christian,
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- ... [Microsoft], adrianba, yoav, [IPcaller], Tantek
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- RRSAgent: make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-minutes.html cabanier
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