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<trackbot> Date: 11 January 2013
<bblfish> so I had the agenda here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0000.html
<bblfish> happy new year 2013
<deiu> Happy new year!
<bblfish> for europeans there is VOIP
<bblfish> if people don't wish to pay for the long distance communication
<deiu> can I use skype too?
<MacTed> deiu - how is VOIP failing? Skype should work, if you can use it to call to the US dialup number
<bblfish> yes
<bblfish> damn connection broke
<deiu> I use a different VOIP client (not skype)
<MacTed> and we've lost your voice, bblfish
<deiu> please scribe until I fix my voice connection :-)
<bblfish> on the importance of user stories?
bblfish: having user stories is important for the group
<bblfish> Issue-41?
<trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Identify Use Cases for WebId -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/41
bblfish: especially if we are
looking at moving into a WG afterwards
... Jeff Sayre was in charge of the user stories, but haven't
seen him in a while
<bblfish> here is the agenda again http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0000.html
<bblfish> anyone know what happened to Jeff Sayre?
<scribe> ACTION: scor to ping Jeff Sayre [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-webid-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Error finding 'scor'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users>.
<bblfish> we have this wiki page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/User_Stories_and_Use_Cases
<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements
we seem to have some overlap between the documents listed in the agenda
MacTed: user stories are more free form style, and they drive the second document which is more formal and list use cases.
<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/charter
MacTed: and both drive the requirements
<bblfish> "to compile a set of requirements and use cases for the WebID protocol"
bblfish: user stories -> use cases -> requirements
<deiu> I agree that the final goal should be requirements.
MacTed: we should have simple stories, e.g. sharing pictures and being able to set rules on the share by logic instead of explicit statements
<bobP> There is Angelo's picture sharing site http://picserv.desone.org/picture
bblfish: we can move ACL to our group, we can start discussing that part.
MacTed: but WebID should not only be about ACL
<deiu> MacTed, indeed.
scor: there should be other stories besides ACL
MacTed: e.g. I want to share this picture with "family", and not list explicitly all the members of the family
<deiu> ACL is very important and should be present by design, but it shouldn't be an explicit part of WebID.
bblfish: but there is not ACL group
<bergi> +q
<bobP> echo echo
bergi: can you type instead?
<bergi> maybe we can discuss acl on the rww group
<deiu> bergi, I agree
<bergi> if the topic gets bigger we can create new community group
yes
<bblfish> damn
<deiu> bergi, +1 (my thoughts exactly)
<deiu> I am actually more inclined to start a CG from square one.
MacTed: identity is necessary for
ACL, but ACL isn't the only thing you can do with WebID
... there will be one or two stories about ACL
<bblfish> linkability
MacTed: what other stories do we have?
(distributed) single sign on
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/User_Stories_and_Use_Cases
let's polish the user stories offline and then we can move to the use cases and requirements
<deiu> A real (distributed <- isn't this always implied nowadays?) notification mechanism
notification mechanism++
<deiu> I'm not talking about pingback, which is greatly lacking (imo).
<bblfish> People should add their user stories and requirements to the document
<deiu> I will do so for notifications
deiu: could you add it to the
wiki, please
... thanks
<deiu> scor, yes
bblfish: is this the right
questionnaire?
... there was no bad feedback from it
<deiu> I get "Questionnaire not yet open"
bblfish: so let's open it now
<bobP> :-)
<bblfish> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash
<deiu> still not open :-)
<magnetik> Works here for me
<deiu> works now
<bblfish> who can see it?
<deiu> needed a ctrl+shift+reload
<trueg> bblfish: I only have read perms, not write. I should be in the WebID Community group, though.
<bblfish> well I am not sure how this works
<bblfish> it's the first time I use this tool
<MacTed> For each option (#1, #2, #3), please indicate whether you "don't want" or "don't mind". Of those which remain, please select a ranking order is (1 is most preferred, 3 is least).
<bblfish> yes, that makes sense
<deiu> ah ok
<MacTed> For each option (#1, #2, #3), please indicate whether you "don't want" (may formally object) or "don't mind" (would not block). Of those which remain, please select a ranking order is (1 is most preferred, 3 is least).
<bblfish> given that change is everyobdy ok for publishing the questionair?
yes
<MacTed> +1 to publish given that change, with Feb 1 close
+1
<deiu> +1
<bergi> +1
<bblfish> Resolved: make change and publish questionair
MacTed: the provenance is an area where WebID would make a good difference
bblfish: it's when you think Linked Data and distributed that WebID starts to make sense
<bblfish> http://webid.info/spec/
thanks everyone for the great call
<deiu> scor, I've replied to your mail
<bblfish> I did not ask when we should have the next meeting
<bblfish> in 2 weeks?
<bobP> 1 week?
<deiu> 2 weeks sounds fine
<deiu> there are no pressing issues now, right?
<bobP> 2 weeks certainly OK
<bblfish> yes, I want to do more programming on LDP
<bobP> just put it on the list
<bblfish> ok so in 2 weeks then
<deiu> 2 weeks should put us right before the end of the questionnaire I think
<bobP> good!
<bblfish> ok. talk to you then...
<deiu> thanks all!
<bblfish> make logs public
<MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
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