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<trackbot> Date: 28 November 2012
zakm, who is here?
<scribe> scribe: nvdbleek1
Steven: I take december off
... I'm willing to come to calls
... We need to get XForms 2.0 to LC
... Nobody in the community list responded
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0025.html
Steven: We need people in the group to agree to go forward
<Steven> Diff version http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Drafts/WD-xforms20-20130117/Overview-diff.html
Steven: anyone have feelings about this
Erik: I have to go through the changes
nvdbleek1: We have couple of issues that still need to be addressed
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0023.html
Steven: We called this property,
at the time some people didn't liked the name that much
... This is the last change to propose a different name, if
nobody responds it will be property
alain: It is already implemented as property in xsltforms
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0024.html
nvdbleek1: It was mainly Erik wanting a shorter syntax
Erik: Will have a look at it
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0012.html
nvdbleek1: I'm a bit concerned
about the format parameter on serialize() and parse()[2]
functions, because I think that the format token only allows
boolean properties.
... And on the submission element and xslt output options you
have properties that take other type of values.
Erik: It's on my list, will try to look at this today
<Steven> I think it would be good to have another, fuller, example for the serialize section
nvdbleek1: In XSLT they have an element syntax, they re-use the output element
erik: The xslt way feels a bit
hacky
... In javascript you just pass an object
... In the future the closest we can get will be the map
construct
alain: I'm wondering what the use
case is today
... Because I only implemented the version without parameters
in xslt forms
... maybe we can leave it implementation defined
Steven: Is this taken from XPath 3.0
<Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions-30/#func-serialize
<Steven> Example:
<Steven> <output:serialization-parameters>
<Steven> <output:omit-xml-declaration>yes</output:omit-xml-declaration>
<Steven> </output:serialization-parameters>
We are discussing the the xpath3 version
Erik: The indirection is not ideal, but until we have the map in xpath the element is the best solution
Steven: I imagine that it is very irritating that you have to create the element if you want to specify the serialisation parameters
Erik: The main drawback is not being compatible to XPath 3.0
Steven: The usage of serialization function is to transform the XML to string, couldn't we use a submission for this
nvdbleek1: A function should be pure
Steven: Couldn't we point to a submission and ignore certain parameters
Erik: We should disable a lot in submission: revalidation, sending events
Steven: It should just point to a submission and take the parameters from a submission
Erik: That is the approach xslt takes, it uses the ouput element. But the drawback is that we are discarding a lot attributes
Steven: The drawback of a different element is that we have to keep the elements in sync
Erik: It uses only the serialisation part of the submission, which is only a small subset
Steven: The author already knows how to do this with submission
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0008.html
<Steven> Moot.
nvdbleek1: This issue is no longer valid, I should remove the target attribute
<scribe> ACTION: Remove the target attribute from the submission element because we don't have load embed anymore [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/28-forms-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find Remove. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users>.
<Steven> ACTION: Nick to Remove the target attribute from the submission element because we don't have load embed anymore [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/28-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1915 - Remove the target attribute from the submission element because we don't have load embed anymore [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-12-05].
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