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14:45:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
14:45:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:45:24 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:45:24 <trackbot> Date: 23 October 2012
14:45:30 <matt> zakim, ping me in 15 minutes
14:45:30 <Zakim> ok, matt
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14:58:14 <Zakim> + +1.650.525.aaaa
14:58:22 <pal> zakim, i am aaaa
14:58:22 <Zakim> +pal; got it
14:58:40 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0053.html
14:59:23 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
14:59:23 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
14:59:25 <Zakim> +Matt
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14:59:55 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:59:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see pal, Matt
15:00:08 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:00:19 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc,adrianba
15:00:19 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aabb
15:00:21 <Zakim> +paulc, adrianba; got it
15:00:21 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
15:00:30 <Zakim> matt, you asked to be pinged at this time
15:00:59 <matt> zakim, mute me
15:00:59 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
15:01:03 <matt> zakim, unmute me
15:01:03 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
15:01:11 <strobe> Zakim, +1.415.867 is me
15:01:11 <Zakim> +strobe; got it
15:01:17 <matt> zakim, mute me
15:01:17 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
15:01:21 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
15:01:31 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
15:01:36 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
15:01:39 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
15:01:50 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0053.html
15:01:53 <johnsim> zakim, who is on the phone
15:01:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', johnsim
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15:02:01 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see pal, Matt (muted), [Microsoft], strobe, [GVoice], [Microsoft.a]
15:02:03 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
15:02:27 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is johnsim
15:02:27 <Zakim> +johnsim; got it
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15:02:40 <strobe> (wait, I may be GVoice instead, let me reassociate)
15:02:55 <Zakim> +Aaron_Colwell
15:03:23 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see pal, Matt (muted), [Microsoft], strobe, [GVoice], johnsim, Aaron_Colwell
15:03:26 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
15:03:36 <adrianba> Present+ markw
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15:03:51 <adrianba> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions, selection of scribe
15:03:53 <adrianba> paulc: done
15:04:01 <adrianba> TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
15:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aacc
15:04:19 <adrianba> paulc: the most significant thing was that we agreed to triage bugs and Aaron indicated he would update the spec
15:04:19 <Clarke> zakim, aacc is me
15:04:19 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:04:25 <adrianba> ... these are on the agenda
15:04:34 <adrianba> TOPIC: Review of action items
15:04:38 <adrianba> ACTION-6?
15:04:38 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Aaron Colwell to give a couple of examples for section 2 -- due 2012-09-04 -- OPEN
15:04:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/6
15:04:52 <adrianba> paulc: this is still outstanding, correct?
15:05:00 <Zakim> + +1.613.491.aadd
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15:05:08 <MartinSoukup> zakim, aadd is me
15:05:09 <adrianba> acolwell: we discussed this amongst the editors but not shared anything public
15:05:10 <Zakim> +MartinSoukup; got it
15:05:17 <adrianba> ACTION-6 due nov 1
15:05:17 <trackbot> ACTION-6 Give a couple of examples for section 2 due date now nov 1
15:05:28 <Zakim> + +1.425.202.aaee
15:05:33 <adrianba> TOPIC: Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
15:05:42 <adrianba> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html
15:05:43 <ddorwin> zakim, aaee is me
15:05:43 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:05:53 <adrianba> paulc: Last updated Oct 18
15:05:58 <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0039.html
15:06:16 <adrianba> paulc: aaron do you want to say anything about this?
15:06:44 <adrianba> acolwell: the changes might be surprising because i split up the algorithm a bit to make it easier to understand
15:07:00 <matt> zakim, who is noisy?
15:07:10 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (7%), Aaron_Colwell (73%), MartinSoukup (49%), ddorwin (25%)
15:07:31 <adrianba> ... there isn't really a functional change - should just take a look at this change
15:07:49 <adrianba> ... added initial description of remove()
15:08:19 <adrianba> ... doing more to this is on the agenda for tpac
15:08:54 <adrianba> zakim, who is noisy?
15:09:02 <paulc> zakim, who is noisy?
15:09:04 <Zakim> adrianba, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (37%), Aaron_Colwell (63%), MartinSoukup (54%), ddorwin (52%)
15:09:15 <Zakim> paulc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (37%), johnsim (5%), Aaron_Colwell (5%), ddorwin (64%)
15:09:19 <adrianba> zakim, mute MartinSoukup
15:09:19 <Zakim> MartinSoukup should now be muted
15:09:51 <adrianba> acolwell: also updated media format section with more clarifications
15:10:34 <adrianba> TOPIC: TPAC F2F discussion plans
15:10:58 <adrianba> paulc: two weeks ago the editors proposed to triage the existing bugs
15:11:04 <adrianba> ... they've done this
15:11:27 <adrianba> ... the attachment to the mail from the editors indicates the current status of bugs broken down into clarifications or new features
15:11:42 <adrianba> ... and identifies the ones we want to discuss
15:12:46 <adrianba> paulc: the first observation we should make is that the editors have resolved some of the bugs
15:12:57 <adrianba> ... the majority of the new features are on the TPAC discussion list
15:13:06 <adrianba> ... i don't think we need to drill on the bugs resolved
15:13:13 <adrianba> ... one or more were resolved NEEDSINFO
15:13:20 <adrianba> ... let's deal with them at a high level
15:13:52 <adrianba> acolwell: 18922, request to have a better example that is codec and format agnostic
15:14:24 <adrianba> ... initially responded that the API expects you to know the format, resolved asking for a better example that you'd like to see since we don't think we can do this
15:14:32 <adrianba> ... but please give an example of what you'd like to see
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15:15:13 <adrianba> acolwell: 18921, we think this is a misunderstanding of the goal of the API - this was requested adding arbitrary media data but the API requires you to know something about the data
15:15:43 <adrianba> acolwell: 18920, we discussed this on the call and the consensus was to keep the type parameter to allow UAs to fail fast
15:15:52 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aaff
15:16:01 <adrianba> acolwell: 17000, we decided to defer this one because we don't have a great idea of what this should entail
15:16:12 <adrianba> acolwell: those are all the ones resolved
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15:16:44 <adrianba> paulc: my plan is that we won't revisit these at TPAC - if anyone has objections to the resolutions then they should reopen the bug with their problem statement
15:16:52 <joesteele> Zakim, aaff is joesteele
15:16:52 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
15:16:56 <adrianba> ... next we should go on to the items for discussion at TPAC
15:17:11 <adrianba> acolwell: 18592, how much data to ensure uninterrupted playback
15:17:29 <adrianba> ... this is about how appending data to the sourcebuffer affects the HTML media element readystate
15:17:50 <adrianba> ... some discussion in the bug, there are trade-offs between different solutions, which we should discuss
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15:18:11 <adrianba> ... this might affect autoplay, for example, and we need to decide if and how to handle this
15:18:30 <adrianba> acolwell: 18575, this is related to ACTION-6
15:18:51 <adrianba> ... i sent something to the editors about this, which i can publish beforehand to help the discussion
15:19:05 <adrianba> ... some parts of section 2 are covered by algorithms and might be deleted
15:19:14 <adrianba> ... other parts might be moved to other areas
15:19:23 <adrianba> ... and some we need to figure out how to rewrite them
15:19:31 <adrianba> ... then we can discuss including at TPAC
15:19:55 <adrianba> ... the main thing is to understand the balance between normative and informative
15:20:03 <adrianba> paulc: let's get that out quickly
15:20:13 <adrianba> acolwell: that's fine - it's basically a copy and paste
15:20:24 <adrianba> acolwell: 18601, this is the topic from a couple of calls ago
15:20:31 <adrianba> ... main goal is to close this discussion
15:20:42 <adrianba> ... particularly about how to handle transport streams
15:20:57 <adrianba> acolwell: 18960, specifying how track IDs are generated
15:21:23 <adrianba> paulc: does the bug here point to the HTML5 bug?
15:21:55 <adrianba> acolwell: no, i'll find that - i think the bug is relevant to 17002
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15:22:05 <adrianba> ... this got deferred to HTML.next
15:22:24 <adrianba> paulc: i wonder if we should ask for that bug to be discussed by HTML WG as a whole
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15:22:48 <adrianba> ... because we don't want the media topics discussed if we need that discussed by a broader group
15:23:00 <adrianba> acolwell: that's fine
15:23:05 <acolwell> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18971
15:23:09 <adrianba> paulc: if we have the bug number we can organise that
15:23:40 <adrianba> acolwell: discussion for 18960 is to figure out how to generate the IDs
15:23:48 <adrianba> ... in some cases can be the track ID in the media
15:24:04 <adrianba> ... for single video/audio track media we need to define the behaviour
15:24:19 <adrianba> ... two proposals, one is to generate IDs, one is to use the first
15:24:44 <adrianba> acolwell: 19531, this is a recently filed bug about detecting which MIME types are actually supported by MSE
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15:24:55 <adrianba> ... proposal in the bug and discussion about the name and semantics of the method
15:25:03 <adrianba> ... just need to nail this down, shouldn't take too long
15:25:16 <adrianba> acolwell: so those are the ones in the clarification category
15:25:21 <adrianba> ... in the new features category
15:25:34 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
15:25:42 <adrianba> acolwell: 18962, a mechanism for rate limiting where the tag can tell the app to slow down
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15:25:54 <adrianba> ... not much discussion about this, discussion for TPAC is if we need this in v1
15:26:10 <adrianba> ... and if yes to come up with a proposal
15:26:15 <adrianba> ... questions so far?
15:26:22 <adrianba> paulc: nobody on the queue
15:26:34 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:26:43 <adrianba> .. btw updated the TPAC wiki to mention 18971 - we might have a session to deal with misc bugs
15:26:46 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
15:27:03 <adrianba> acolwell: 18962, this is making progress on the XHR integration with MSE
15:27:13 <adrianba> ... since the last time we discussed there is progress on the webapps
15:27:23 <adrianba> ... with people starting to rally around the microsoft proposal
15:27:39 <adrianba> ... there is some discussion about how the W3C spec will get updated
15:27:48 <adrianba> ... and behaviours about what MSE should do with this object
15:28:02 <adrianba> acolwell: 18709, about SourceBuffer.remove() that i recently added
15:28:15 <adrianba> ... need to discuss the behaviour if remove is requested for current playback range
15:28:30 <adrianba> ... not clear what to do if the app wants to remove content at the current position
15:29:06 <adrianba> acolwell: 17006, this is about specifying the track language and kind when not available
15:29:29 <adrianba> adrianba: i will make a proposal prior to TPAC so we have something concrete to discuss
15:30:06 <adrianba> ... i think we know what the problem is and what is needed - we just need someone to make a concrete proposal and i will do that
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15:30:43 <adrianba> acolwell: 17002, this is how to figure out which buffer is associated with a track - think we have a rough proposal that we need to finalise
15:31:03 <adrianba> ... track might not have an ID and we need to figure out what to do as a workaround
15:31:36 <adrianba> acolwell: 17094, this is to talk about MPEG2-TS - get some face to face discussion on this
15:31:46 <adrianba> ... there has been some email discussion but some face to face discussion might help it go easier
15:32:05 <adrianba> paulc: do the editors know how long it will take to discuss these? will 90 mins be sufficient or will we need more time
15:32:24 <adrianba> acolwell: i think we might need more - can we have an optional extension?
15:32:43 <adrianba> paulc: we won't necessarily be able to tell until we see what slots are needed
15:32:55 <adrianba> ... interestingly many a11y people will be in indieui
15:33:03 <adrianba> ... which in the past we spent a lot of time on
15:33:11 <adrianba> ... i don't think that will happen this time
15:33:30 <adrianba> ... if there is time we might want to extend the slot but we'll need to do that there
15:33:36 <paulc> F2F topics: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/TPAC2012#Topics
15:33:40 <strobe> q+
15:33:52 <adrianba> acolwell: we should also take a poll of people at the meeting to discuss the highest priority items
15:33:55 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:34:20 <adrianba> paulc: pierre, your items, first audio splicing
15:34:24 <paulc> MSE audio splicing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0052.html
15:34:31 <adrianba> pal: the idea here is that given the scope of MSE and use cases considered
15:34:47 <adrianba> ... it would be good to try to look at a topic previously frustrating
15:35:01 <adrianba> ... which is the splicing of audio or transition of audio streams at splice points
15:35:09 <adrianba> ... for video you transition at video frame boundary
15:35:29 <adrianba> ... but audio is more difficult, for example if the audio levels are different
15:35:33 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
15:35:41 <adrianba> ... for encoded audio the frame boundaries might not line up
15:35:59 <adrianba> ... so goal is to capture some practices that have been learned and share with implementers
15:36:24 <adrianba> ... i think it would be help to have something along those lines provided to MSE implementers
15:36:26 <adrianba> q+
15:36:54 <paulc> ack adrian
15:37:32 <adrianba> adrianba: is this proposal for informative text or should part of it be normative?
15:37:53 <adrianba> pal: that's up to this group - either could work, i don't have an extremely strong opinion
15:38:10 <adrianba> ... just listing them will reduce poor implementation and lack of interop
15:38:30 <adrianba> adrianba: if this would affect interop it sounds like there would be normative parts
15:38:52 <adrianba> acolwell: i've only done a high level review - seems like some of the parts of splicing encoded data would be good to be normative
15:39:01 <adrianba> ... current text is light on this topic
15:39:13 <adrianba> ... but haven't drilled into which text should be normative
15:39:23 <adrianba> paulc: do we want to do anything on this before the meeting?
15:39:33 <adrianba> acolwell: i plan to read the doc more carefully
15:39:44 <adrianba> ... i haven't spent much time thinking about audio
15:39:59 <adrianba> pal: my recommendation is that this be included or be considered before FPWD
15:40:13 <adrianba> ... the longer we wait the more likely decisions that people might regret could be made
15:40:28 <adrianba> ... some might not be relevant, some might need more detail, i'm happy to help
15:40:35 <adrianba> ... but it should be addressed before FPWD
15:40:55 <adrianba> paulc: what's the rationale for that? is it because of the scope
15:41:13 <adrianba> pal: i think implementers might take decisions
15:41:15 <adrianba> q+
15:41:22 <adrianba> ... that might be hard to undo
15:41:45 <adrianba> paulc: for fpwd you only have to have agreement to publish not to that on the content
15:41:52 <adrianba> pal: it's better to have a better FPWD
15:42:11 <adrianba> paulc: i'm not arguing against, just trying to understand
15:42:11 <paulc> ack adrian
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15:42:19 <Mark_Vickers> q+
15:43:19 <paulc> ack Mark
15:43:26 <adrianba> adrianba: i think we should prioritise identifying the normative parts for the FPWD so that the scope is set
15:43:34 <adrianba> ... that's the most important activity for this
15:44:06 <adrianba> Mark_Vickers: it's not clear which parts are authoring and client parts, could that be clearer?
15:44:16 <adrianba> acolwell: i think they're all UA requirements
15:44:28 <adrianba> Mark_Vickers: in 2.1 it says content should be authored
15:44:36 <adrianba> pal: it was meant as a client recommendation
15:44:45 <adrianba> ... you're right that there are two points that menton authoring
15:44:53 <adrianba> ... but that is meant as a help to the reader
15:45:09 <adrianba> ... but this was meant as client behaviour which would then drive authoring behaviour
15:45:14 <adrianba> Mark_Vickers: okay, thanks
15:45:34 <adrianba> pal: important part is that unless some of these are documented for client authors will not know how to get the desired outcome
15:45:48 <adrianba> Mark_Vickers: i think there's a lot of experience to show that this has caused problems in the past
15:45:55 <adrianba> ... and i support the idea of getting this out earlier
15:46:07 <adrianba> paulc: next item is timestamp offset accurary
15:46:13 <paulc> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0054.html
15:46:26 <adrianba> pal: before that, part of outcome of splicing is benefit of adding flag to each buffer appended
15:46:38 <adrianba> ... so may need to add a flag to buffers but we can discuss as part of document
15:46:59 <adrianba> paulc: okay, let's move on to timestamp offset accuracy, which you've had one reply to
15:47:06 <adrianba> pal: this has cause problems in the past
15:47:20 <adrianba> ... offsets are often specified in sample durations
15:47:47 <adrianba> ... unfortunately floating point representation cannot in general represent fractions because of rounding errors
15:48:16 <adrianba> ... this is a tricky area and direction i've seen is to express offset and positions as rational numbers instead of floating point numbers
15:48:23 <adrianba> ... MSE uses double for the offsets
15:48:33 <strobe> q++
15:48:44 <adrianba> ... timestampOffset is a double
15:48:56 <adrianba> ... i think it should be expressed as a rational number without ambiguity
15:49:13 <adrianba> ... how the implementation uses that is different and spec might not talk about that
15:49:33 <adrianba> paulc: by rational do you mean specifying numerator and denominator
15:49:54 <adrianba> pal: that's one way, alternative is timescale (ratio) and then multiple of timescale
15:50:10 <adrianba> ... by rational i mean the ratio between integers
15:50:11 <adrianba> q?
15:50:37 <adrianba> pal: e.g. ISO BMFF uses two integers
15:51:07 <adrianba> ... this is a topic that caused issues and i want to understand if this is an issue here and then figure out a solution
15:51:10 <adrianba> q+
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15:51:38 <paulc> ack +
15:52:17 <adrianba> strobe: timestampOffset is the last thing applied
15:52:31 <adrianba> ... i think a lot of past problems with precision have come for duration calculation
15:52:51 <adrianba> ... we need a common way of expressing all the possible inputs
15:53:02 <adrianba> ... even if you had very precise ways of specifying for one file
15:53:21 <adrianba> ... you might be using different files and you need the precision for all of them
15:53:32 <pal> q+
15:53:43 <paulc> ack adrian
15:53:47 <adrianba> ... since this is just for offset not for duration i don't think it will cause a problem based on my experience
15:54:19 <pal> q-
15:54:46 <adrianba> adrianba: please could pal file bugs in bugzilla, which we'll use to drive the discussion in the meeting
15:55:03 <adrianba> paulc: we've dealt with these topics, okay?
15:55:05 <adrianba> pal: yes, thanks
15:55:06 <paulc> ack strobe
15:55:27 <adrianba> strobe: one quick question, the states in which you can add and remove sourcebuffers
15:55:33 <adrianba> ... i think we discussed this in the past
15:55:43 <adrianba> acolwell: i think we said you could do this at any time
15:55:58 <adrianba> ... at the moment chrome doesn't support that because of limitations in the engine
15:56:14 <adrianba> ... i don't know if we want to support that in the API
15:56:19 <adrianba> ... but for now chrome doesn't support that
15:56:24 <adrianba> strobe: okay, thanks
15:56:34 <adrianba> paulc: think we've covered all of the agenda
15:56:42 <adrianba> ... we have a plan in place for a good discussion at tpac
15:56:49 <adrianba> ... is there other business to discuss?
15:57:03 <adrianba> paulc: future meeting schedule
15:57:12 <adrianba> ... won't be EME next week
15:57:24 <adrianba> ... schedule would normally be for a MSE meeting right after TPAC
15:57:35 <adrianba> ... i doubt we'll want to meet so soon after the F2F
15:57:42 <adrianba> ... we want to give the editors time
15:57:48 <adrianba> ... we'll discuss this at the meeting
15:57:58 <adrianba> ... i'm also on vacation during november
15:58:05 <adrianba> ... so we need to discuss who will drive the meetings too
15:58:11 <adrianba> ... we'll discuss at tpac
15:58:29 <adrianba> TOPIC: adjournment
15:58:36 <adrianba> paulc: meeting is adjourned
15:58:44 <adrianba> ... thanks to the editors for analysis
15:58:50 <Zakim> -johnsim
15:58:51 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:58:52 <adrianba> ... let's hope for the same on EME
15:58:52 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:58:52 <Zakim> -Clarke
15:58:53 <matt> zakim, drop me
15:58:53 <Zakim> -MartinSoukup
15:58:53 <Zakim> -pal
15:58:53 <Zakim> Matt is being disconnected
15:58:54 <Zakim> -Matt
15:58:55 <Zakim> -strobe
15:58:58 <Zakim> -Aaron_Colwell
15:59:02 <Zakim> -[GVoice]
15:59:05 <adrianba> zakim, bye
15:59:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.650.525.aaaa, pal, Matt, +1.415.867.aabb, paulc, adrianba, [GVoice], strobe, [Microsoft], johnsim, Aaron_Colwell, +1.303.661.aacc,
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15:59:10 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/23-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:59:16 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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