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<trackbot> Date: 16 October 2012
<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba
<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
paulc: done
paulc: i wasn't at that meeting so i don't have comments
<markw> aaff is markw
http://www.w3.org/2012/10/02-html-media-minutes.html
paulc: the two outstanding are later on the agenda
paulc: there is discussion on the
list about who is going to TPAC
... you may already know that we're anticipating both MSE and
EME meeting at TPAC
... and there are notes on the wiki asking for at least 90
minutes on the Thursday
... for those who haven't been to a HTML WG F2F before
... the actual agenda is decided at 9am on the first day
... we take the topics from the wiki and decide how to organise
ourselves
... we do have two meeting rooms
<paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/TPAC2012
paulc: this page has the possible
topics for EME and MSE
... assume non-overlapping consecutive sessions
... expecting more people putting more discussion on here
... there is an agenda with times but no topics - some will be
anchored because they're with other groups
... but at 9am on Thursday well decide based on who is in the
room which topics we want to work on
... so i would like to recommend that the editors for EME come
to the TPAC meeting having triaged the outstanding bugs
... so that we know which items we're going to talk about
... let's try to get that done before the meeting on the
archive
... questions?
... are the editors willing to step up and organise the
bugs?
<markw> yes, for my part
yes
<ddorwin> yes
paulc: i will volunteer to
possibly chair if that's what you want
... i believe that the rooms will have a telcon ability
paulc: spec
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
... updated sep 15
... do the editors have comments on the current status?
ddorwin: no comments
paulc: current bugs http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
... this is the set i think we need to categorise and deal with
at tpac
paulc: two outstanding tracking actions
ACTION-3?
<trackbot> ACTION-3 -- John Simmons to propose resolution to bug 17682 -- due 2012-09-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/3
johnsim: i sent a proposal for
this to the editors yesterday
... waiting for some feedback from the editors before updating
the bug
paulc: once you update the bug feel free to close the action and provide a link to the comment
ACTION-6?
<trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Aaron Colwell to give a couple of examples for section 2 -- due 2012-09-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/6
paulc: not sure which bug or item
this is related to
... wondering if this was resolved by one of the recent
postings to the list
acolwell: not sure which issue
this at the moment
... will need to review the minutes
paulc: was created on aug
28
... it is in the minutes for aug 28 - it is an MSE item
... https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18575
paulc: Bug 17199 - Provide
examples for and get feedback on Key Release
... proposal from mark is in the bug
... https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17199
<ddorwin> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17199#c8
paulc: in the last large comment
markw: i only posted this yesterday - not expecting feedback yet
paulc: this is an item where people should look at the comment and propose that we should have this on the tpac agenda
markw: one thing to highlight -
this was a detailed proposal based on the outline earlier in
the comments
... the behaviour of key release when the browser is closed is
new
... one way is with the close() method but another is if the
object is destroyed for another reason
... there may be browser implementation issues with this
part
... and so feedback from implementers on this part would be
extremely valuable
paulc: Bug 17660 � Request to add parameters to createSession (bug 17660)
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17660
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0031.html
paulc: this was from joe
steele
... he's provided an example - don't believe there has been a
reply
... do we want to do anything about this now?
ddorwin: there was one reply
<ddorwin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0033.html
paulc: assume this will continue
by email
... looks like a possible tpac topic
... Bug 17470 - Provide specific guidance on when
generateKeyRequest should be called
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17470
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0029.html
paulc: joe was asked to provide
sample code
... no replies here
... does anyone have any comments?
joesteele: have not had time to reply to the previous issue - read the response this morning
paulc: will you be at tpac?
joesteele: not this time
paulc: it would help if you could try to push these along
joesteele: for the example one,
if nobody has any problems with the example then if we include
that i think we're good
... if anyone wants anything else, let me know
... the earlier one, 17660 about additional parameters, i'll
respond to this thread
... if there's a lot of pushback we could defer this to
later
... to a v2 perhaps
paulc: are there any recent threads people want raised to discuss?
<ddorwin> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19156
ddorwin: i sent one about
initialising decoders - 19156
... seemed to be agreement on the thread so will update the bug
to say we'll go with this proposal
<paulc> Thread started at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0001.html
paulc: you're saying there is more consensus in the discussion after the last meeting
ddorwin: yes
paulc: do you plan an update to the spec before tpac?
ddorwin: maybe at tpac
paulc: editors preparing for tpac
should put in a category of we have consensus but not yet
implemented in the spec
... any other items?
<pal> +q
joesteele: it wasn't clear to me what the consensus was on the changing decoders thread - one of the comments seemed to contradict the message i sent about initiatisation prior to media flowing
ddorwin: i don't recall this being a problem - perhaps one of the options was to disallow that but this wasn't chosen
joesteele: i will send an email to you on that
pal: question on process
... is the goal to close all the issues before FPWD?
paulc: i don't think we have to
but i don't think we have consensus on that
... this is an important topic to discuss at tpac
... if the editors triage the bugs they might be able to come
to tpac saying that if they flatten certain issues
... then at that point we should go back to the WG and ask for
a FPWD
... my opinion is that we don't have to flatten all the
issues
+1
acolwell: i'd be fine with that
<Simmons> +1
acolwell: it depends how important people believe certain bugs are
<MartinSoukup> +1
pal: let's assume there is an
issue where there appears to be consensus
... but the editors don't get to that
... will we resolve this before fpwd?
paulc: i think the tpac
discussion will include time about what happens next
... i think the reason for wanting to meet on thursday is to
allow the editors to meet on friday to come up with a
plan
... and the editors should track during the session what work
will need to be done
pal: looking at issue 16544
<pal> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16544
pal: i think this is a pretty
important clarification
... and would be good if it made it into the spec before
fpwd
paulc: if this on your work queue markw?
markw: yes
paulc: pal, is this one of a kind or is this one of many?
pal: i think this one is particularly important
paulc: suggest send notes to the list, perhaps a thread for each topic explaining why it is important
markw: i think this one is
uncontroversial
... and just needs text - definitely needs to be done before
fpwd
johnsim: this is updating because the figure is misleading
pal: i think it's confusing that
the responsibility is to not make encrypted frames
available
... the point of encrypting is not to make the decrypted frames
back to the UA
markw: definitely needs clarified but doesn't specify exactly what any given CDM will do
pal: i agree that the spec not be prescriptive but do need to describe the variations
markw: understood, that's the action outstanding
<paulc> Patent Policy: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/#sec-disclosure-requests
paulc: for the general question,
are there particular bugs people want before FPWD
... one parameter is that you want to make sure for FPWD where
there will be a disclosure requirement
... you want to make sure the spec covers the domain that the
final version will cover
... so that members reviewing the spec won't find that it was
vague about the scope
... don't know if this applies but would suggest this does need
to be done
... any other comments?
ddorwin: that seems like a good way to evaluate - clarifications vs. features
paulc: right - this is
important
... without this disclosure requirement is more difficult and
might cause people not engaged here to pushback if they think
the scope isn't well enough defined
... any other business?
suzie: 16544 - i was personally
waiting for this to be addressed
... everyone is very curious about this - i expressed my
opinion in the bug
... this is necessary to be clear for people reading for the
first time
markw: that will be definitely in the next version
ddorwin: the figure was supposed
to be illustrative - if people have suggestions on updating
this that would be helpful
... i have an action to update this to also show the new
API
paulc: suggestions of how to
improve are always welcome but even just saying which parts are
hard to understand is useful
... anything else?
paulc: the next meeting would
occur during tpac and so this will not occur
... the next meeting will be on nov 13 after tpac
... we'll decide at tpac if it makes sense to meet then or if
the editors need more time
<MartinSoukup> i can scribe the next meeting if it is Nov 13
paulc: martin, thank you
paulc: thanks everyone
... for those in lyon, i'll see you there
... will make sure zakim information is distributed on this
list
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