IRC log of indie-ui on 2012-10-03

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RRSAgent, make logs 175
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Zakim, this will be INDIE
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()1:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
16:58:53 [trackbot]
Date: 03 October 2012
16:59:11 [Zakim]
WAI_Indie()1:00PM has now started
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+??P0
16:59:26 [shepazu]
zakim, code?
16:59:26 [Zakim]
the conference code is 46343 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shepazu
16:59:57 [janina]
zakim, ??P0 is Janina_Sajka
16:59:57 [Zakim]
+Janina_Sajka; got it
16:59:59 [Zakim]
+[Google]
17:00:05 [janina]
Meeting: IndieUI Task Force telecon
17:00:05 [janina]
Chair: Janina_Sajka
17:00:05 [janina]
agenda+ Admin: Telecon Time Survey http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0001.html
17:00:08 [janina]
agenda+ Admin: IndieUI Overview Page http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html
17:00:11 [janina]
agenda+ admin: WAI IndieUI WG Telecon on 10 October
17:00:14 [janina]
agenda+ Admin: TPAC; agenda+ Admin: Pointer Events Submission [See
17:00:16 [janina]
Below]
17:00:17 [shepazu]
Zakim, [Google] is me
17:00:17 [Zakim]
+shepazu; got it
17:00:19 [janina]
agenda+ Editor's Draft? https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open
17:00:21 [janina]
agenda+ Use Cases Walk-Through; Continued http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements
17:00:24 [janina]
agenda+ Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 17 October)
17:00:27 [janina]
agenda+ Be Done
17:01:18 [Zakim]
+[Apple]
17:01:21 [hober]
Zakim, Apple is me
17:01:21 [Zakim]
+hober; got it
17:01:52 [andy]
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+??P3
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+??P4
17:02:45 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P4 is Michael_Cooper
17:02:45 [Zakim]
+Michael_Cooper; got it
17:03:07 [andy]
zakim, mute me
17:03:07 [Zakim]
sorry, andy, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:03:13 [Zakim]
+[GVoice]
17:03:22 [clown]
zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:22 [Zakim]
+Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:03:25 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P3 is Andi_Heath
17:03:25 [Zakim]
+Andi_Heath; got it
17:03:32 [clown]
zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:32 [Zakim]
ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:44 [Zakim]
+Art_Barstow
17:03:46 [MichaelC]
zakim, Andi is Andy_Heath
17:03:46 [Zakim]
+Andy_Heath; got it
17:03:54 [MichaelC]
zakim, andy is Andy_Heath
17:03:54 [Zakim]
+Andy_Heath; got it
17:03:56 [andy]
zakim, mute me
17:03:56 [Zakim]
Andy_Heath.a should now be muted
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+Rich
17:05:23 [hober]
ScribeNick: hober
17:05:31 [Zakim]
+ +1.626.841.aaaa
17:05:35 [janina]
zakim, take up item 1
17:05:35 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Admin: Telecon Time Survey http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
17:05:35 [andy]
zakim, unmute me
17:05:38 [Zakim]
Andy_Heath.a should no longer be muted
17:06:01 [hober]
janina: fyi, we've surveyed about different/rotating telcon schedule
17:06:07 [Zakim]
+Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:06:13 [clown]
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/54997/2012_meetings/results
17:06:21 [hober]
janina: the current schedule is late in the day for europe and middle of night for asia
17:06:27 [hober]
janina: survey is open through tomorrow
17:06:39 [hober]
janina: we'll talk it over on the list and on the call
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richardschwerdtfe: what sort of conflicts do we have?
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janina: [describes global interest]
17:08:09 [hober]
MichaelC: each of the two times in the survey would gain us one person who is not currently attending this time
17:08:20 [hober]
... gain of one person might not be worth it; need more people to vote
17:08:54 [janina]
zakim, next item
17:08:54 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Admin: IndieUI Overview Page http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html" taken up [from janina]
17:09:39 [hober]
janina: the education and outreach wai wg maintains overview pages for each wai activity
17:09:46 [janina]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html
17:09:52 [hober]
janina: they've drafted an overview page for the wai indie-ui wg
17:10:02 [hober]
... please take a look, check for accuracy, etc.
17:10:10 [hober]
... audience is non-technical
17:10:28 [hober]
... should be readily understandable, accurate, and comprehensive
17:11:02 [hober]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:11:02 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, shepazu, hober, Andy_Heath.a, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Art_Barstow, Rich, +1.626.841.aaaa, Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:11:15 [janina]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html
17:11:19 [hober]
janina: any questions about this page?
17:11:40 [clown]
actual page is here: http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/IndieUI_Overview
17:12:00 [shepazu]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/IndieUI_Overview
17:12:05 [hober]
shepazu: could we take a minute now to skim?
17:12:08 [hober]
janina: yes
17:13:30 [Zakim]
+Shawn
17:13:32 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: the introduction only talks about device independent events and not the user context
17:13:49 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: could also mention scroll wheel in scrolling example
17:13:59 [hober]
janina: [introduces Shawn]
17:14:51 [Ryladog]
+1 to include AT in Intro
17:14:56 [hober]
Shawn: we're trying to cover what this is for in the introduction, and then we talk about each document in the documents section
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17:15:10 [hober]
Shawn: the intro captures the idea, why we're doing this
17:15:37 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: in the first sentence, not just a wide range of devices, but also a wide range of users and the contexts in which they operate
17:16:13 [Zakim]
+[Apple]
17:16:23 [Ryladog]
q+
17:16:24 [jcraig]
Zakim, [Apple] has jcraig
17:16:25 [Zakim]
+jcraig; got it
17:16:44 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: could use more of a "command" example like "open", instead of a device-tied example like "scroll"
17:17:01 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: you might have an "open" event, top open a folder, to open a new row in your document
17:17:13 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: or other high-level examples like zoom in, zoom out
17:17:28 [jcraig]
q+ to suggest escape/dismiss example
17:17:44 [hober]
shepazu: scroll seems less compelling, it usually has a lot of existing affordances
17:17:57 [hober]
Shawn: for either zoom or open, what would the sentence be like?
17:18:19 [andy]
hoper - sorry - just saw this - I suggested "wide range of user needs and devices"
17:18:22 [jcraig]
q+ to say "open" will be too easily confused with "click"
17:18:51 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: "a user operating a web application may wish to open a folder using a broad range of device commands such as a gesture, a voice command, etc. Indie-UI allows the device to send a simple 'open' event to the application regardless of how the user signaled..."
17:19:04 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: in both the intro and the documents section
17:19:25 [hober]
Shawn: would this be an additional example or replacing the existing one?
17:19:33 [janina]
q?
17:19:33 [hober]
shepazu: combine the two
17:19:59 [hober]
shepazu: [expands on that]
17:20:15 [richardschwerdtfe]
q?
17:20:28 [MichaelC]
ack ryl
17:20:29 [Zakim]
- +1.626.841.aaaa
17:20:42 [janina]
ack jcraig
17:20:43 [Zakim]
jcraig, you wanted to suggest escape/dismiss example and to say "open" will be too easily confused with "click"
17:20:47 [Ryladog]
Better to use the word 'Context' (as Rich suggests) with (use needs, preferences, access device) in parans after it. Example: 'Context' (as Rich suggests) with (use needs, preferences, access device)
17:20:50 [hober]
jcraig: wordsmithing is probably not the best use of telcon time
17:21:02 [Ryladog]
Soory, somehow I muted myself
17:21:06 [hober]
jcraig: rich's example of open is also confused, like scroll
17:21:12 [MichaelC]
q+ Katie
17:21:15 [Ryladog]
Zakim unmute me
17:21:16 [hober]
jcraig: we could use an escape or dismiss gesture
17:21:27 [hober]
jcraig: lots of people capture ESC key
17:21:38 [MichaelC]
ack k
17:21:39 [janina]
q?
17:21:44 [janina]
ack Ryladog
17:21:55 [hober]
Ryladog: the word 'context' as rich suggested is key
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17:22:11 [hober]
Ryladog: important to make this broader, and 'context' does that
17:22:20 [janina]
q?
17:22:38 [hober]
Shawn: scroll seems so much stronger for novices
17:22:59 [hober]
Shawn: could you say the same sort of thing for escape or dismiss?
17:23:10 [jcraig]
s/example of open is also confused/example of open could also be confused by users/
17:23:23 [hober]
janina: we're not sure what to call it, so it might not be a good example
17:23:29 [clown]
q+ to suggest a checkbox as a very concrete case.
17:23:35 [hober]
janina: zoom is also common, like scroll
17:23:37 [jcraig]
q+
17:23:43 [janina]
q?
17:23:48 [andy]
q+
17:23:55 [hober]
Shawn: do you want me to draft wording for zoom?
17:24:04 [hober]
Shawn: is it ok to put out a draft of this with scroll?
17:24:06 [hober]
shepazu: that's fine
17:24:16 [hober]
janina: you can send it to the mailing list
17:24:40 [hober]
clown: if we want to replace the scroll event example, we could use a checkbox
17:24:42 [janina]
q?
17:24:52 [hober]
clown: [describes various ways of toggling a checkbox]
17:25:00 [janina]
ack clown
17:25:07 [hober]
jcraig: checkbox is already covered by click events
17:25:16 [hober]
... scroll is fine for now, zoom too
17:25:29 [janina]
ack joseph
17:25:29 [Zakim]
Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to suggest a checkbox as a very concrete case.
17:25:38 [hober]
... some examples of escape or dismiss: kbd ESC, voice over has a gesture, android has a back button
17:25:40 [janina]
ack jcraig
17:25:44 [janina]
ack andy
17:25:53 [janina]
q?
17:26:34 [hober]
andy: re: the "indie ui: user context" paragraph, user settings is too narrow, maybe 'preferences' would be better?
17:26:48 [hober]
Shawn: we could swap them around, would decouple it from AT
17:26:58 [hober]
andy: the word 'settings' doesn't say what sort of settings
17:27:11 [hober]
shepazu: can we wordsmith over email?
17:27:20 [hober]
janina: i think we should
17:27:27 [hober]
Shawn: will try to get an email out today
17:27:33 [Zakim]
-Shawn
17:27:35 [janina]
zakim, next item
17:27:35 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "admin: WAI IndieUI WG Telecon on 10 October" taken up [from janina]
17:28:02 [hober]
janina: those of you who are in the wai wg, we have a brief telcon next week
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... for administrative topisc
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s/topisc/topics/
17:28:43 [Zakim]
+??P8
17:29:28 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P8 is Caroline_Jay
17:29:28 [Zakim]
+Caroline_Jay; got it
17:30:04 [hober]
janina: re: TPAC, our agenda is on our wiki page
17:30:16 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2012 IndieUI TPAC 2012 meeting page
17:30:22 [janina]
zakim, next item
17:30:22 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Admin: TPAC; agenda+ Admin: Pointer Events Submission [See" taken up [from janina]
17:30:52 [hober]
janina: we've had a submission; ac is considering it
17:31:15 [hober]
ArtB: web events wg welcomes the submission
17:31:36 [hober]
... if we assume the wg gets created, it affects some web events work
17:31:43 [hober]
... and our participation in indi-ui tf
17:31:56 [hober]
... web events will continue working on the touch events v1
17:31:58 [hober]
... to CR
17:32:05 [hober]
... we will stop work on touch events v2
17:32:22 [hober]
... instead we'll work with pointer events wg
17:32:35 [hober]
... once touch events v1 rec is published, web events wg will close
17:32:54 [hober]
... so how do web events participants continue participating in this tf?
17:33:08 [hober]
... most straightforward way would be to ask web events folks to join the wai wg
17:34:17 [janina]
q?
17:34:21 [hober]
shepazu: [talks about the pointer events model; prefers it to the touch events model]
17:35:18 [MichaelC]
q+
17:35:20 [hober]
shepazu: if web events shuts down, don't know what that will mean wrt my involvement in this tf
17:35:28 [janina]
ack MichaelC
17:35:41 [hober]
MichaelC: if that happens, should this tf become joint with pointer events wg?
17:35:43 [hober]
shepazu: no
17:36:05 [hober]
... they want to be very focused, don't want to veer off on high-level events
17:36:10 [janina]
q+ to ask how pointer events will handle multip-finger touch events
17:36:43 [hober]
janina: how does the pointer events model handle multiple finger events?
17:36:57 [hober]
shepazu: it doesn't do gestures, it does multiple fingers
17:37:14 [janina]
q?
17:37:23 [janina]
ack janina
17:37:23 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to ask how pointer events will handle multip-finger touch events
17:37:38 [hober]
ArtB: we should keep pointer events really narrowly scoped
17:38:20 [hober]
MichaelC: web events wg participants in this tf are invited to join the wai indie-ui tf
17:39:36 [hober]
janina: AC voting goes on through the 25th
17:39:45 [hober]
... not a done deal yet
17:40:07 [hober]
MichaelC: 4 or 5 people would be affected
17:40:29 [janina]
zakim, next item
17:40:29 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "Editor's Draft? https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
17:40:47 [Zakim]
-Art_Barstow
17:40:51 [Zakim]
-shepazu
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17:41:01 [hober]
janina: jcraig, let's have a regular check-in; any updates on the draft?
17:41:11 [hober]
jcraig: working through the open issues as i have time
17:41:27 [jcraig]
action-5?
17:41:27 [trackbot]
ACTION-5 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to author draft spec. change for james craig to include place holders for agreed upon events today in -- due 2012-08-29 -- OPEN
17:41:27 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/5
17:41:28 [hober]
jcraig: there's one action item on joseph
17:41:50 [hober]
clown: can close it or assign it to jcraig:
17:42:05 [hober]
janina: any questions?
17:42:16 [janina]
zakim, next item
17:42:16 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "Use Cases Walk-Through; Continued http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements" taken up [from janina]
17:42:40 [hober]
janina: we should focus a significant amount of time at tpac on use cases
17:44:01 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: pick back up at use case 6
17:44:12 [richardschwerdtfe]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements#S6:_Command_move_the_focus_point_within_a_UI_component_down_to_the_next_focusable_item_within_a_UI_component
17:44:15 [clown]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements#S6:_Command_move_the_focus_point_within_a_UI_component_down_to_the_next_focusable_item_within_a_UI_component
17:45:01 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: if you're in a widget and want to move down in the widget, could have a command for that
17:45:29 [hober]
jcraig: do we already have something like this?
17:45:51 [clown]
q+ to suggest next/previous instead of up/down
17:46:05 [hober]
jcraig: it says "move down to the next *focusable* item" instead of just "the next item"
17:46:14 [hober]
jcraig: basically the equivalent of TAB or Shift-TAB
17:46:37 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: what terminology would be better?
17:47:04 [hober]
jcraig: we could just remove the word "focusable"
17:47:18 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: if you have a list box, going to each of the items
17:47:44 [hober]
jcraig: following para might need some wordsmithing, or a note that says this isn't the same as TAB/Shift-TAB
17:48:10 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: maybe "within a ui component"?
17:48:27 [hober]
janina: isn't this about local navigation? "local next"/"local previous"
17:48:32 [Ryladog]
FYI........Many User cases in this doc have the typo "supports supports" in the first sentence
17:48:39 [hober]
jcraig: let's start by taking the word "focusable" out and go from there
17:48:43 [Ryladog]
+1 remove word Focus
17:49:01 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: do we need an action item to get this into the spec?
17:49:14 [hober]
jcraig: i think the use cases are clear; we should keep working on them in the wiki
17:49:25 [hober]
... some of them are already covered, some aren't
17:49:35 [hober]
... i will do a comparison with the spec
17:49:50 [hober]
jcraig: use case 7 also needs that same change
17:50:13 [hober]
clown: it shouldn't be down/up, it should be next/previous
17:50:39 [hober]
clown: set of items, there's a next/prev relative to where you are
17:50:56 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: left & right v. up & down, we need this separate for two-dimensional widgets
17:50:56 [Ryladog]
q+
17:51:11 [Caroline_Jay]
q+
17:51:28 [hober]
Ryladog: also 3D
17:51:33 [hober]
janina: we decided to put 3D off
17:51:46 [hober]
clown: in grid, next/prev in row, next/prev in col
17:52:04 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: what about a flow diagram?
17:52:17 [hober]
clown: suppose you have a tree like OS X's Finder
17:52:41 [hober]
clown: could be rendered on an iPhone as swiping left/right
17:52:44 [hober]
clown: still a tree
17:52:50 [jcraig]
q+ to mention s8 and s9. I like Joseph's idea of vertical vs linear
17:52:58 [hober]
clown: shouldn't be tied to the rendering
17:52:59 [jcraig]
ack jo
17:52:59 [Zakim]
Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to suggest next/previous instead of up/down
17:53:06 [hober]
janina: agree with clown
17:53:09 [jcraig]
ack R
17:53:15 [hober]
Ryladog: for the moment, yes
17:53:41 [janina]
q?
17:53:45 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: how about "in a horizontal direction, next and previous"?
17:53:52 [janina]
ack car
17:54:10 [hober]
Caroline_Jay: i think this important for grid widgets like date pickers
17:54:23 [hober]
Caroline_Jay: i tend to agree with clown
17:54:53 [hober]
jcraig: use case 6 through 9 are all in this "linear directional navigation" context
17:55:10 [hober]
jcraig: clown had the right idea, this is a general next/previous
17:55:21 [andy]
q+
17:55:27 [hober]
jcraig: visual left/right is locale dependent
17:55:50 [Ryladog]
what about vertical languages?
17:55:51 [hober]
jcraig: "general next" and "general previous", which might be left/right in ltr languages
17:56:08 [hober]
jcraig: grids might need special directional navigation events
17:56:34 [hober]
jcraig: once you're in a managed focus widget like a grid or a tree, then the next/prev is like "change selected value"
17:56:47 [Ryladog]
q+
17:56:56 [hober]
jcraig: need to indicate that there's a multi-dimensional value change
17:57:06 [janina]
q?
17:57:12 [janina]
ack jcraig
17:57:12 [Zakim]
jcraig, you wanted to mention s8 and s9. I like Joseph's idea of vertical vs linear
17:57:16 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: you might be moving in increments?
17:57:31 [hober]
jcraig: something like a slider, next notch in slider is incrementing the value of the slider
17:57:56 [hober]
jcraig: but tree widgets have a selection state; current use case for incrementing slider may also apply for these sorts of cases
17:58:45 [hober]
jcraig: we should focus on the primary next/previous instead of left/right
17:58:55 [hober]
jcraig: would be good to have special-cased "vertical next/previous"
17:59:00 [hober]
jcraig: vertical v. linear
17:59:08 [hober]
andy: isn't this just like tab order anyway?
17:59:28 [clown]
"it's"
17:59:36 [hober]
andy: the case for general next/previous within some order
17:59:55 [hober]
andy: what does next/previous mean in a tree with unordered subnodes
18:00:08 [jcraig]
q+ to mention this might already be covered by 'point of regard' or AT focus events
18:00:08 [hober]
andy: next/prev gets parameter that varies depending on the kind of object
18:00:12 [janina]
ack andy
18:00:14 [janina]
ack Ryladog
18:00:22 [hober]
Ryladog: definitely don't use right/left due to vertical and rtl languages
18:00:44 [hober]
richardschwerdtfe: we've agreed on a next and previous; should i separate out vertical and horizontal?
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jcraig: i'll send an email to the list
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janina: yes, let's do this on the list
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jcraig: it's possible that this is just covered by focus events
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jcraig: we can have a separate at focus (point of regard focus) different from the kbd focus
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jcraig: then we don't need next/prev, we just alert the app "this is the item i'm on"
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Ryladog: richardschwerdtfe, there's diagonal too
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richardschwerdtfe: they had directional work in SVG 1.2 tiny, could look at that
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janina: let's try to figure out how to group these for better tpac time
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janina: next meeting in 2 weeks, wai wg in 1 week
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