IRC log of indie-ui on 2012-10-03
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- RRSAgent, make logs 175
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- Zakim, this will be INDIE
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()1:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 03 October 2012
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- WAI_Indie()1:00PM has now started
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- +??P0
- 16:59:26 [shepazu]
- zakim, code?
- 16:59:26 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 46343 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shepazu
- 16:59:57 [janina]
- zakim, ??P0 is Janina_Sajka
- 16:59:57 [Zakim]
- +Janina_Sajka; got it
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- +[Google]
- 17:00:05 [janina]
- Meeting: IndieUI Task Force telecon
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- Chair: Janina_Sajka
- 17:00:05 [janina]
- agenda+ Admin: Telecon Time Survey http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0001.html
- 17:00:08 [janina]
- agenda+ Admin: IndieUI Overview Page http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html
- 17:00:11 [janina]
- agenda+ admin: WAI IndieUI WG Telecon on 10 October
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- agenda+ Admin: TPAC; agenda+ Admin: Pointer Events Submission [See
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- Below]
- 17:00:17 [shepazu]
- Zakim, [Google] is me
- 17:00:17 [Zakim]
- +shepazu; got it
- 17:00:19 [janina]
- agenda+ Editor's Draft? https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open
- 17:00:21 [janina]
- agenda+ Use Cases Walk-Through; Continued http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements
- 17:00:24 [janina]
- agenda+ Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 17 October)
- 17:00:27 [janina]
- agenda+ Be Done
- 17:01:18 [Zakim]
- +[Apple]
- 17:01:21 [hober]
- Zakim, Apple is me
- 17:01:21 [Zakim]
- +hober; got it
- 17:01:52 [andy]
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- +??P3
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- +??P4
- 17:02:45 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P4 is Michael_Cooper
- 17:02:45 [Zakim]
- +Michael_Cooper; got it
- 17:03:07 [andy]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:03:07 [Zakim]
- sorry, andy, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- +[GVoice]
- 17:03:22 [clown]
- zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
- 17:03:25 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P3 is Andi_Heath
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- +Andi_Heath; got it
- 17:03:32 [clown]
- zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 17:03:32 [Zakim]
- ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 17:03:44 [Zakim]
- +Art_Barstow
- 17:03:46 [MichaelC]
- zakim, Andi is Andy_Heath
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- +Andy_Heath; got it
- 17:03:54 [MichaelC]
- zakim, andy is Andy_Heath
- 17:03:54 [Zakim]
- +Andy_Heath; got it
- 17:03:56 [andy]
- zakim, mute me
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- Andy_Heath.a should now be muted
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- +Rich
- 17:05:23 [hober]
- ScribeNick: hober
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- + +1.626.841.aaaa
- 17:05:35 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 17:05:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Admin: Telecon Time Survey http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
- 17:05:35 [andy]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:05:38 [Zakim]
- Andy_Heath.a should no longer be muted
- 17:06:01 [hober]
- janina: fyi, we've surveyed about different/rotating telcon schedule
- 17:06:07 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 17:06:13 [clown]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/54997/2012_meetings/results
- 17:06:21 [hober]
- janina: the current schedule is late in the day for europe and middle of night for asia
- 17:06:27 [hober]
- janina: survey is open through tomorrow
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- janina: we'll talk it over on the list and on the call
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- richardschwerdtfe: what sort of conflicts do we have?
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- janina: [describes global interest]
- 17:08:09 [hober]
- MichaelC: each of the two times in the survey would gain us one person who is not currently attending this time
- 17:08:20 [hober]
- ... gain of one person might not be worth it; need more people to vote
- 17:08:54 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 17:08:54 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Admin: IndieUI Overview Page http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html" taken up [from janina]
- 17:09:39 [hober]
- janina: the education and outreach wai wg maintains overview pages for each wai activity
- 17:09:46 [janina]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html
- 17:09:52 [hober]
- janina: they've drafted an overview page for the wai indie-ui wg
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- ... please take a look, check for accuracy, etc.
- 17:10:10 [hober]
- ... audience is non-technical
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- ... should be readily understandable, accurate, and comprehensive
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- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 17:11:02 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, shepazu, hober, Andy_Heath.a, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Art_Barstow, Rich, +1.626.841.aaaa, Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 17:11:15 [janina]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Oct/0002.html
- 17:11:19 [hober]
- janina: any questions about this page?
- 17:11:40 [clown]
- actual page is here: http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/IndieUI_Overview
- 17:12:00 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/IndieUI_Overview
- 17:12:05 [hober]
- shepazu: could we take a minute now to skim?
- 17:12:08 [hober]
- janina: yes
- 17:13:30 [Zakim]
- +Shawn
- 17:13:32 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: the introduction only talks about device independent events and not the user context
- 17:13:49 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: could also mention scroll wheel in scrolling example
- 17:13:59 [hober]
- janina: [introduces Shawn]
- 17:14:51 [Ryladog]
- +1 to include AT in Intro
- 17:14:56 [hober]
- Shawn: we're trying to cover what this is for in the introduction, and then we talk about each document in the documents section
- 17:15:06 [jcraig]
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- 17:15:10 [hober]
- Shawn: the intro captures the idea, why we're doing this
- 17:15:37 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: in the first sentence, not just a wide range of devices, but also a wide range of users and the contexts in which they operate
- 17:16:13 [Zakim]
- +[Apple]
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- q+
- 17:16:24 [jcraig]
- Zakim, [Apple] has jcraig
- 17:16:25 [Zakim]
- +jcraig; got it
- 17:16:44 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: could use more of a "command" example like "open", instead of a device-tied example like "scroll"
- 17:17:01 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: you might have an "open" event, top open a folder, to open a new row in your document
- 17:17:13 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: or other high-level examples like zoom in, zoom out
- 17:17:28 [jcraig]
- q+ to suggest escape/dismiss example
- 17:17:44 [hober]
- shepazu: scroll seems less compelling, it usually has a lot of existing affordances
- 17:17:57 [hober]
- Shawn: for either zoom or open, what would the sentence be like?
- 17:18:19 [andy]
- hoper - sorry - just saw this - I suggested "wide range of user needs and devices"
- 17:18:22 [jcraig]
- q+ to say "open" will be too easily confused with "click"
- 17:18:51 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: "a user operating a web application may wish to open a folder using a broad range of device commands such as a gesture, a voice command, etc. Indie-UI allows the device to send a simple 'open' event to the application regardless of how the user signaled..."
- 17:19:04 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: in both the intro and the documents section
- 17:19:25 [hober]
- Shawn: would this be an additional example or replacing the existing one?
- 17:19:33 [janina]
- q?
- 17:19:33 [hober]
- shepazu: combine the two
- 17:19:59 [hober]
- shepazu: [expands on that]
- 17:20:15 [richardschwerdtfe]
- q?
- 17:20:28 [MichaelC]
- ack ryl
- 17:20:29 [Zakim]
- - +1.626.841.aaaa
- 17:20:42 [janina]
- ack jcraig
- 17:20:43 [Zakim]
- jcraig, you wanted to suggest escape/dismiss example and to say "open" will be too easily confused with "click"
- 17:20:47 [Ryladog]
- Better to use the word 'Context' (as Rich suggests) with (use needs, preferences, access device) in parans after it. Example: 'Context' (as Rich suggests) with (use needs, preferences, access device)
- 17:20:50 [hober]
- jcraig: wordsmithing is probably not the best use of telcon time
- 17:21:02 [Ryladog]
- Soory, somehow I muted myself
- 17:21:06 [hober]
- jcraig: rich's example of open is also confused, like scroll
- 17:21:12 [MichaelC]
- q+ Katie
- 17:21:15 [Ryladog]
- Zakim unmute me
- 17:21:16 [hober]
- jcraig: we could use an escape or dismiss gesture
- 17:21:27 [hober]
- jcraig: lots of people capture ESC key
- 17:21:38 [MichaelC]
- ack k
- 17:21:39 [janina]
- q?
- 17:21:44 [janina]
- ack Ryladog
- 17:21:55 [hober]
- Ryladog: the word 'context' as rich suggested is key
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- 17:22:11 [hober]
- Ryladog: important to make this broader, and 'context' does that
- 17:22:20 [janina]
- q?
- 17:22:38 [hober]
- Shawn: scroll seems so much stronger for novices
- 17:22:59 [hober]
- Shawn: could you say the same sort of thing for escape or dismiss?
- 17:23:10 [jcraig]
- s/example of open is also confused/example of open could also be confused by users/
- 17:23:23 [hober]
- janina: we're not sure what to call it, so it might not be a good example
- 17:23:29 [clown]
- q+ to suggest a checkbox as a very concrete case.
- 17:23:35 [hober]
- janina: zoom is also common, like scroll
- 17:23:37 [jcraig]
- q+
- 17:23:43 [janina]
- q?
- 17:23:48 [andy]
- q+
- 17:23:55 [hober]
- Shawn: do you want me to draft wording for zoom?
- 17:24:04 [hober]
- Shawn: is it ok to put out a draft of this with scroll?
- 17:24:06 [hober]
- shepazu: that's fine
- 17:24:16 [hober]
- janina: you can send it to the mailing list
- 17:24:40 [hober]
- clown: if we want to replace the scroll event example, we could use a checkbox
- 17:24:42 [janina]
- q?
- 17:24:52 [hober]
- clown: [describes various ways of toggling a checkbox]
- 17:25:00 [janina]
- ack clown
- 17:25:07 [hober]
- jcraig: checkbox is already covered by click events
- 17:25:16 [hober]
- ... scroll is fine for now, zoom too
- 17:25:29 [janina]
- ack joseph
- 17:25:29 [Zakim]
- Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to suggest a checkbox as a very concrete case.
- 17:25:38 [hober]
- ... some examples of escape or dismiss: kbd ESC, voice over has a gesture, android has a back button
- 17:25:40 [janina]
- ack jcraig
- 17:25:44 [janina]
- ack andy
- 17:25:53 [janina]
- q?
- 17:26:34 [hober]
- andy: re: the "indie ui: user context" paragraph, user settings is too narrow, maybe 'preferences' would be better?
- 17:26:48 [hober]
- Shawn: we could swap them around, would decouple it from AT
- 17:26:58 [hober]
- andy: the word 'settings' doesn't say what sort of settings
- 17:27:11 [hober]
- shepazu: can we wordsmith over email?
- 17:27:20 [hober]
- janina: i think we should
- 17:27:27 [hober]
- Shawn: will try to get an email out today
- 17:27:33 [Zakim]
- -Shawn
- 17:27:35 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 17:27:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "admin: WAI IndieUI WG Telecon on 10 October" taken up [from janina]
- 17:28:02 [hober]
- janina: those of you who are in the wai wg, we have a brief telcon next week
- 17:28:12 [hober]
- ... for administrative topisc
- 17:28:19 [hober]
- s/topisc/topics/
- 17:28:43 [Zakim]
- +??P8
- 17:29:28 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P8 is Caroline_Jay
- 17:29:28 [Zakim]
- +Caroline_Jay; got it
- 17:30:04 [hober]
- janina: re: TPAC, our agenda is on our wiki page
- 17:30:16 [MichaelC]
- -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2012 IndieUI TPAC 2012 meeting page
- 17:30:22 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 17:30:22 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Admin: TPAC; agenda+ Admin: Pointer Events Submission [See" taken up [from janina]
- 17:30:52 [hober]
- janina: we've had a submission; ac is considering it
- 17:31:15 [hober]
- ArtB: web events wg welcomes the submission
- 17:31:36 [hober]
- ... if we assume the wg gets created, it affects some web events work
- 17:31:43 [hober]
- ... and our participation in indi-ui tf
- 17:31:56 [hober]
- ... web events will continue working on the touch events v1
- 17:31:58 [hober]
- ... to CR
- 17:32:05 [hober]
- ... we will stop work on touch events v2
- 17:32:22 [hober]
- ... instead we'll work with pointer events wg
- 17:32:35 [hober]
- ... once touch events v1 rec is published, web events wg will close
- 17:32:54 [hober]
- ... so how do web events participants continue participating in this tf?
- 17:33:08 [hober]
- ... most straightforward way would be to ask web events folks to join the wai wg
- 17:34:17 [janina]
- q?
- 17:34:21 [hober]
- shepazu: [talks about the pointer events model; prefers it to the touch events model]
- 17:35:18 [MichaelC]
- q+
- 17:35:20 [hober]
- shepazu: if web events shuts down, don't know what that will mean wrt my involvement in this tf
- 17:35:28 [janina]
- ack MichaelC
- 17:35:41 [hober]
- MichaelC: if that happens, should this tf become joint with pointer events wg?
- 17:35:43 [hober]
- shepazu: no
- 17:36:05 [hober]
- ... they want to be very focused, don't want to veer off on high-level events
- 17:36:10 [janina]
- q+ to ask how pointer events will handle multip-finger touch events
- 17:36:43 [hober]
- janina: how does the pointer events model handle multiple finger events?
- 17:36:57 [hober]
- shepazu: it doesn't do gestures, it does multiple fingers
- 17:37:14 [janina]
- q?
- 17:37:23 [janina]
- ack janina
- 17:37:23 [Zakim]
- janina, you wanted to ask how pointer events will handle multip-finger touch events
- 17:37:38 [hober]
- ArtB: we should keep pointer events really narrowly scoped
- 17:38:20 [hober]
- MichaelC: web events wg participants in this tf are invited to join the wai indie-ui tf
- 17:39:36 [hober]
- janina: AC voting goes on through the 25th
- 17:39:45 [hober]
- ... not a done deal yet
- 17:40:07 [hober]
- MichaelC: 4 or 5 people would be affected
- 17:40:29 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 17:40:29 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Editor's Draft? https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
- 17:40:47 [Zakim]
- -Art_Barstow
- 17:40:51 [Zakim]
- -shepazu
- 17:40:54 [ArtB]
- ArtB has left #indie-ui
- 17:41:01 [hober]
- janina: jcraig, let's have a regular check-in; any updates on the draft?
- 17:41:11 [hober]
- jcraig: working through the open issues as i have time
- 17:41:27 [jcraig]
- action-5?
- 17:41:27 [trackbot]
- ACTION-5 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to author draft spec. change for james craig to include place holders for agreed upon events today in -- due 2012-08-29 -- OPEN
- 17:41:27 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/5
- 17:41:28 [hober]
- jcraig: there's one action item on joseph
- 17:41:50 [hober]
- clown: can close it or assign it to jcraig:
- 17:42:05 [hober]
- janina: any questions?
- 17:42:16 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 17:42:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Use Cases Walk-Through; Continued http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements" taken up [from janina]
- 17:42:40 [hober]
- janina: we should focus a significant amount of time at tpac on use cases
- 17:44:01 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: pick back up at use case 6
- 17:44:12 [richardschwerdtfe]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements#S6:_Command_move_the_focus_point_within_a_UI_component_down_to_the_next_focusable_item_within_a_UI_component
- 17:44:15 [clown]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements#S6:_Command_move_the_focus_point_within_a_UI_component_down_to_the_next_focusable_item_within_a_UI_component
- 17:45:01 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: if you're in a widget and want to move down in the widget, could have a command for that
- 17:45:29 [hober]
- jcraig: do we already have something like this?
- 17:45:51 [clown]
- q+ to suggest next/previous instead of up/down
- 17:46:05 [hober]
- jcraig: it says "move down to the next *focusable* item" instead of just "the next item"
- 17:46:14 [hober]
- jcraig: basically the equivalent of TAB or Shift-TAB
- 17:46:37 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: what terminology would be better?
- 17:47:04 [hober]
- jcraig: we could just remove the word "focusable"
- 17:47:18 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: if you have a list box, going to each of the items
- 17:47:44 [hober]
- jcraig: following para might need some wordsmithing, or a note that says this isn't the same as TAB/Shift-TAB
- 17:48:10 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: maybe "within a ui component"?
- 17:48:27 [hober]
- janina: isn't this about local navigation? "local next"/"local previous"
- 17:48:32 [Ryladog]
- FYI........Many User cases in this doc have the typo "supports supports" in the first sentence
- 17:48:39 [hober]
- jcraig: let's start by taking the word "focusable" out and go from there
- 17:48:43 [Ryladog]
- +1 remove word Focus
- 17:49:01 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: do we need an action item to get this into the spec?
- 17:49:14 [hober]
- jcraig: i think the use cases are clear; we should keep working on them in the wiki
- 17:49:25 [hober]
- ... some of them are already covered, some aren't
- 17:49:35 [hober]
- ... i will do a comparison with the spec
- 17:49:50 [hober]
- jcraig: use case 7 also needs that same change
- 17:50:13 [hober]
- clown: it shouldn't be down/up, it should be next/previous
- 17:50:39 [hober]
- clown: set of items, there's a next/prev relative to where you are
- 17:50:56 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: left & right v. up & down, we need this separate for two-dimensional widgets
- 17:50:56 [Ryladog]
- q+
- 17:51:11 [Caroline_Jay]
- q+
- 17:51:28 [hober]
- Ryladog: also 3D
- 17:51:33 [hober]
- janina: we decided to put 3D off
- 17:51:46 [hober]
- clown: in grid, next/prev in row, next/prev in col
- 17:52:04 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: what about a flow diagram?
- 17:52:17 [hober]
- clown: suppose you have a tree like OS X's Finder
- 17:52:41 [hober]
- clown: could be rendered on an iPhone as swiping left/right
- 17:52:44 [hober]
- clown: still a tree
- 17:52:50 [jcraig]
- q+ to mention s8 and s9. I like Joseph's idea of vertical vs linear
- 17:52:58 [hober]
- clown: shouldn't be tied to the rendering
- 17:52:59 [jcraig]
- ack jo
- 17:52:59 [Zakim]
- Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to suggest next/previous instead of up/down
- 17:53:06 [hober]
- janina: agree with clown
- 17:53:09 [jcraig]
- ack R
- 17:53:15 [hober]
- Ryladog: for the moment, yes
- 17:53:41 [janina]
- q?
- 17:53:45 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: how about "in a horizontal direction, next and previous"?
- 17:53:52 [janina]
- ack car
- 17:54:10 [hober]
- Caroline_Jay: i think this important for grid widgets like date pickers
- 17:54:23 [hober]
- Caroline_Jay: i tend to agree with clown
- 17:54:53 [hober]
- jcraig: use case 6 through 9 are all in this "linear directional navigation" context
- 17:55:10 [hober]
- jcraig: clown had the right idea, this is a general next/previous
- 17:55:21 [andy]
- q+
- 17:55:27 [hober]
- jcraig: visual left/right is locale dependent
- 17:55:50 [Ryladog]
- what about vertical languages?
- 17:55:51 [hober]
- jcraig: "general next" and "general previous", which might be left/right in ltr languages
- 17:56:08 [hober]
- jcraig: grids might need special directional navigation events
- 17:56:34 [hober]
- jcraig: once you're in a managed focus widget like a grid or a tree, then the next/prev is like "change selected value"
- 17:56:47 [Ryladog]
- q+
- 17:56:56 [hober]
- jcraig: need to indicate that there's a multi-dimensional value change
- 17:57:06 [janina]
- q?
- 17:57:12 [janina]
- ack jcraig
- 17:57:12 [Zakim]
- jcraig, you wanted to mention s8 and s9. I like Joseph's idea of vertical vs linear
- 17:57:16 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: you might be moving in increments?
- 17:57:31 [hober]
- jcraig: something like a slider, next notch in slider is incrementing the value of the slider
- 17:57:56 [hober]
- jcraig: but tree widgets have a selection state; current use case for incrementing slider may also apply for these sorts of cases
- 17:58:45 [hober]
- jcraig: we should focus on the primary next/previous instead of left/right
- 17:58:55 [hober]
- jcraig: would be good to have special-cased "vertical next/previous"
- 17:59:00 [hober]
- jcraig: vertical v. linear
- 17:59:08 [hober]
- andy: isn't this just like tab order anyway?
- 17:59:28 [clown]
- "it's"
- 17:59:36 [hober]
- andy: the case for general next/previous within some order
- 17:59:55 [hober]
- andy: what does next/previous mean in a tree with unordered subnodes
- 18:00:08 [jcraig]
- q+ to mention this might already be covered by 'point of regard' or AT focus events
- 18:00:08 [hober]
- andy: next/prev gets parameter that varies depending on the kind of object
- 18:00:12 [janina]
- ack andy
- 18:00:14 [janina]
- ack Ryladog
- 18:00:22 [hober]
- Ryladog: definitely don't use right/left due to vertical and rtl languages
- 18:00:44 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: we've agreed on a next and previous; should i separate out vertical and horizontal?
- 18:00:54 [hober]
- jcraig: i'll send an email to the list
- 18:01:01 [hober]
- janina: yes, let's do this on the list
- 18:01:12 [hober]
- jcraig: it's possible that this is just covered by focus events
- 18:01:29 [hober]
- jcraig: we can have a separate at focus (point of regard focus) different from the kbd focus
- 18:01:51 [hober]
- jcraig: then we don't need next/prev, we just alert the app "this is the item i'm on"
- 18:02:03 [hober]
- Ryladog: richardschwerdtfe, there's diagonal too
- 18:02:29 [hober]
- richardschwerdtfe: they had directional work in SVG 1.2 tiny, could look at that
- 18:02:52 [hober]
- janina: let's try to figure out how to group these for better tpac time
- 18:03:01 [hober]
- janina: next meeting in 2 weeks, wai wg in 1 week
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