IRC log of au on 2012-10-01
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- Zakim, this will be AUWG
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- ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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- Meeting: WAI AU
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JulSep/0055.html
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- WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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- +Jeanne
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- Zakim, this will be AUWG
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- ok, trackbot, I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM already started
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- Meeting: Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 01 October 2012
- 19:01:30 [Jan]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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- +Jan; got it
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- zakim, [Microsoft] is really Cherie
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- +Cherie; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jutta
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- +Jutta; got it
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- Chair: Jutta
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- Scribe: Jan
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- zakim, aaaa is really Greg
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- +Greg; got it
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- + +1.970.349.aabb
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- zakim, aabb is really Sueann
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- +Sueann; got it
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- Topic: 1. Voting on whether to publish the "Implementing ATAG 2.0" (NOTE) Editor's Draft as our required heart-beat publication.
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- +Tim_Boland
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- JT: As noted, this will give reviewers a sneak peek of changes we have made to the ATAG2 spec
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- JT: Taking vote
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- SN: Agree
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- CE: Fine
- 19:12:29 [jeanne]
- +1 to publishing
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- Jan: +1
- 19:13:02 [Greg]
- Greg says yes
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- TB: Is it aligned with LC?
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- JR: Not exactly, it does include changes we have made based on LC comments
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- TB: Should have note, could be confusing
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- JT: We can add a not explaining that
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- JT: The motion is passed, so we will publish...when can we?
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- JS: ASPA...probably next week...def before TPAC
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- JS: It was important not to muddle LC status of the rec track doc
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- Resolution: All agreed to publish the Implementing ATAG doc
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- TB: Extended teleconference on Oct 31?
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- JT: That was a proposal
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- JS: Last I remember we didn't agree on something
- 19:18:19 [Greg]
- The last time we discussed a f to f was questioning the wisdom of holding one during hurricane season in Boca
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- JR: I think that text was from last year
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- JR: The main thing we need to do work on are the tests
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- JT: So the main thing we are doing is writing tests for the SCs
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- JT: We also need to gather evaluators and reviewers?
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- JS: Yes, that needs to be done.
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- JT: Implementors of ATAG2 and then evalutors/reviewers - people to check those implementations.
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- JT: Question is what kind of meeting do we need to put together all of this?
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- JS: I remember from wcag2 testing that there was not a lot of group work...there was a lot of coord and a lot of individual work...
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- JS: I could certainly see a meeting to draft and agree on CR exit conditions....but thats it for group work...
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- JS: What we really need is a run trhough of testing.
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- SN: Are you looking for people or implementations?\
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- JT: People
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- SN: So we have SCs with tests then we need implementations?
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- JT: So to clarify, you and I had been talking about gathering some people to do the testing.
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- JS: Right and then the WG needs to stand behind those testers
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- JR: Clarigy?
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- JS: Well, the WG reviews the work that the reviewers do and then they take a vote to say that we think we are done with CR.
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- JS: Would take at least 6 weeks after we vote to become a Rec
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- GP: How many implementations do we really need? Is it ok if we have one tool that meets just one SC... etc.
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- JS: Its a tricky answer...largely we decide that...but we have to be credible...we have to show implementations in the real world
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- JS: I know JB would like to see examples in various different market niches...blogs, CMSs,, LMSs, etc
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- GP: Our problem is a process issues....need to be able to track whether there is an example for SC...and then show where that is
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- GP: Until we get examples for each we cant move forward?
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- JS: Well, we can declare that certain SCs are "at risk".
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- JS: Need at least two examples,
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- JS: JR had that spreadsheet showing that
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/implementation_report_10june2011.html
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- JR: There is a newer one...with more columns....I can update
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- JT: Great make sure to update the spreadhseet
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- JT: And people not working on the testing pls help with that
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- JT: Any other issues?
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- OK, then lets move to the 2 agenda items
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- Topic: 3. brief testing approach description (Jan)
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JulSep/0041.html
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- -Jan
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- -Sueann
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- -Cherie
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ATAG20tests/ATAG2-10April2012PublicWD-Tests-rev20120813
- 19:56:42 [Greg]
- I vote for Integration
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- Happy Thanksgivign
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- -Greg
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- -Tim_Boland
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Cherie, Jutta, +1.571.765.aaaa, Greg, +1.970.349.aabb, Sueann, Tim_Boland
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