IRC log of dap on 2012-08-22

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 22 August 2012
13:39:03 [fjh]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0061.html
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Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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+??P8
13:59:47 [fjh]
zakim, ??P8 is me
13:59:47 [Zakim]
+fjh; got it
13:59:48 [Zakim]
+milan_patel
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+Dsr
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+ +1.781.534.aaaa
14:00:08 [dsr]
Present+ Dave_Raggett
14:00:11 [Zakim]
+ +1.858.750.aabb
14:00:21 [lgombos]
Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
14:00:26 [Zakim]
+ +46.1.07.15.aacc
14:00:36 [nwidell]
zakim, aacc is nwidell
14:00:36 [Zakim]
+nwidell; got it
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14:00:46 [fjh]
zakim, where is 858?
14:00:46 [Zakim]
North American dialing code 1.858 is California
14:00:48 [Jungkee]
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14:00:50 [lgombos]
zakim, +1.781.534.aaaa is me
14:00:50 [Zakim]
+lgombos; got it
14:00:55 [nwidell]
Present+ Niklas_Widell
14:01:05 [Jungkee]
Present+ Jungkee_Song
14:01:10 [fjh]
Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:01:31 [Zakim]
+dcheng3
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+??P14
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Present+ Diana_Cheng
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14:01:43 [fjh]
zakim, aabb is gmandyam
14:01:43 [Zakim]
+gmandyam; got it
14:01:47 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:01:47 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, ??P14
14:01:49 [Zakim]
On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:01:56 [Jungkee]
zakim, ??P14 is me
14:01:56 [Zakim]
+Jungkee; got it
14:02:11 [gmandyam]
Giri Mandyam from Qualcomm Innovation Cetner (858 area code)
14:02:27 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:02:27 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee
14:02:30 [Zakim]
On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:02:32 [Zakim]
+??P15
14:02:41 [AnssiK]
zakim, ??P15 is me
14:02:41 [Zakim]
+AnssiK; got it
14:02:52 [AnssiK]
Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:02:57 [Jungkee]
zakim, mute me
14:02:57 [Zakim]
Jungkee should now be muted
14:03:13 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:03:13 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK
14:03:15 [Zakim]
On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:03:30 [Zakim]
+Josh_Soref
14:04:55 [fjh]
ScribeNick: Josh_Soref
14:05:23 [fjh]
Topic: Administrative
14:05:30 [Josh_Soref]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:05:30 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:05:44 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, mute me
14:05:44 [Zakim]
Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:06:03 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Minutes approval
14:06:06 [fjh]
Approve minutes from 15 August 2012
14:06:06 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0051/minutes-2012-08-15.html
14:06:32 [Josh_Soref]
RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 15 August 2012
14:06:56 [fjh]
Topic: HTML Media Capture Last Call
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Comments - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html
14:07:38 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i was wrong on last week's call about how many LC comments we had
14:07:40 [Josh_Soref]
.. there were 9
14:07:44 [Josh_Soref]
... but they're all in the tracker
14:07:52 [Josh_Soref]
s/.. there/... there/
14:07:59 [Josh_Soref]
... see the email for details
14:08:00 [Zakim]
+richt_
14:09:14 [AnssiK]
q+
14:09:15 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: does anyone want to volunteer to take any of these as actions?
14:09:20 [fjh]
ack AnssiK
14:09:32 [Josh_Soref]
AnssiK: i can volunteer to address all of the LC comments
14:09:40 [Josh_Soref]
... i can come back to the list if i'm unable to find a good way
14:09:54 [Josh_Soref]
... i think some are fairly straightforward
14:09:57 [fjh]
action: anssiK to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html
14:09:57 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - anssiK
14:09:58 [Josh_Soref]
... some may have some controversy
14:10:16 [fjh]
action: anssi to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html
14:10:16 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-567 - to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2012-08-29].
14:10:22 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: thanks AnssiK
14:10:30 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i did a proposal for the security one
14:10:37 [fjh]
Proposal for LC-2636, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0046.html
14:11:01 [Zakim]
+ +1.781.266.aadd
14:11:08 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i said the UA should provide an indication that the input is happening
14:11:18 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, where is +1781?
14:11:18 [Zakim]
North American dialing code 1.781 is Massachusetts
14:11:40 [fjh]
Anssi can include my proposal as well in the consolidated set of proposed changes
14:11:43 [Josh_Soref]
AnssiK: i'll directly edit the spec, and then the WG reviews the ED
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+Present Dzung_Tran
14:11:56 [Josh_Soref]
s/+Present/Present+/
14:12:11 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, who is on the call?
14:12:13 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, +1.781.266.aadd
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Zakim, aadd is Dzung_Tran
14:12:21 [Zakim]
+Dzung_Tran; got it
14:12:33 [Cathy]
zakim, who is on the call?
14:12:33 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Dzung_Tran
14:12:34 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, nick dtran is Dzung_Tran
14:12:35 [Zakim]
ok, Josh_Soref, I now associate dtran with Dzung_Tran
14:12:54 [Josh_Soref]
AnssiK: i think i have other actions open
14:13:01 [Josh_Soref]
... Test suite for Battery/...
14:13:10 [Josh_Soref]
... but i can probably do this within two weeks
14:13:19 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: that'd be good if we can do it before TPAC
14:13:20 [Cathy]
Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:13:50 [fjh]
ACTION-567 due + 2 weeks
14:13:50 [trackbot]
ACTION-567 to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html due date now + 2 weeks
14:14:02 [fjh]
ACTION-567?
14:14:02 [trackbot]
ACTION-567 -- Anssi Kostiainen to to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html -- due 2012-09-05 -- OPEN
14:14:02 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/567
14:14:26 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, Dzung_Tran is really Cathy
14:14:26 [Zakim]
+Cathy; got it
14:14:31 [fjh]
Topic: TPAC
14:14:34 [fjh]
Next F2F in Lyon France in conjunction with TPAC
14:14:43 [fjh]
Please complete WG questionnaire - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0043.html
14:15:01 [fjh]
Also remember to register for TPAC (separate from questionnaire) and make travel arrangements
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[ fjh explains the TPAC registration details ]
14:16:02 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: the survey lets me know who would be calling in
14:16:16 [fjh]
tpac, http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html
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+Clarke
14:16:30 [fjh]
tpac registration, http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration
14:16:49 [fjh]
WebIntents session during WebApps on Tue : http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/TPAC2012Meeting#Agenda_Tuesday_October_30
14:16:51 [Zakim]
+Cathy.a
14:17:09 [fjh]
Agenda wiki: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France
14:17:27 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, drop Cathy
14:17:27 [Zakim]
Cathy is being disconnected
14:17:28 [Zakim]
-Cathy
14:17:40 [fjh]
please indicate if you have topics for the F2f agenda as well as concerns re timing.
14:17:48 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, who is on the call?
14:17:48 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Clarke, Cathy.a
14:17:54 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:17:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Clarke, Cathy.a
14:17:56 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Clarke, Cathy, dtran, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie,
14:17:56 [Zakim]
... hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:17:59 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, Cathy.a is really Cathy
14:17:59 [Zakim]
+Cathy; got it
14:18:09 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i'm assuming we'll have a session on WebIntents
14:18:26 [Josh_Soref]
... and we'll have to discuss WebIntents/WebActivities
14:18:35 [Josh_Soref]
... We need to get the agenda togethre
14:18:41 [Josh_Soref]
s/togethre/together/
14:18:50 [Josh_Soref]
... Are there any questions about the TPAC F2F?
14:19:00 [Jungkee]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0050.html
14:19:08 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Web API Design XXX
14:19:10 [Jungkee]
zakim, unmute me
14:19:10 [Zakim]
Jungkee should no longer be muted
14:19:20 [Josh_Soref]
s/XXX/Cookbook/
14:19:27 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: it seems like it should be a Note
14:19:35 [fjh]
http://darobin.github.com/api-design-cookbook/
14:19:42 [Josh_Soref]
Jungkee: our WG agreed to create this document
14:19:50 [Josh_Soref]
... to help editors write specifications
14:19:54 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, who is making noise?
14:20:05 [Zakim]
Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (15%)
14:20:29 [fjh]
zakim, who is making noise?
14:20:37 [fjh]
Jungkee suggests we publish
14:20:40 [Zakim]
fjh, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:21:03 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: it needs to move to a w3 github
14:21:06 [Josh_Soref]
... thing
14:21:12 [Josh_Soref]
... and it should be a NOTE note a REC
14:21:22 [Josh_Soref]
... i think we can just agree on the call to do a FPWD
14:21:31 [Josh_Soref]
... does anyone object to this?
14:21:47 [Josh_Soref]
... as it'll be a NOTE Track document, there shouldn't be any IPR concerns
14:22:12 [Josh_Soref]
RESOLUTION: Publish API Design Cookbook as a NOTE Track document, shortname api-design-cookbook
14:22:42 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: Jungkee, can you move it to w3c space?
14:22:51 [Josh_Soref]
Jungkee: i'll talk to darobin about that
14:22:56 [Jungkee]
i'll talk to Robin
14:23:16 [fjh]
action: jungkee to work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE
14:23:16 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-568 - Work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE [on Jungkee Song - due 2012-08-29].
14:23:41 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Ambient Light Sensor
14:23:44 [Jungkee]
zakim, mute me
14:23:44 [Zakim]
Jungkee should now be muted
14:23:48 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: we had a bit of discussion yesterday
14:23:55 [Josh_Soref]
... there's a bunch of agreement on the list that this should be changed
14:24:01 [fjh]
proposal for changes?: http://fremycompany.com/BG/2012/Ambient-light-sensors-and-CSS-Media-Queries-971/
14:24:08 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:24:08 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Clarke, Cathy
14:24:11 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Clarke, Cathy, dtran, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie,
14:24:11 [Zakim]
... hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:24:25 [fjh]
action: fjh to follow up regarding next steps for ambient light sensors on list
14:24:25 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-569 - Follow up regarding next steps for ambient light sensors on list [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-08-29].
14:24:36 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Sensors Draft
14:24:41 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: we have a bunch of drafts
14:24:48 [Josh_Soref]
... ambient temperature, ambient humidity
14:24:49 [fjh]
Plans to progress and publish FPWD of Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts?
14:24:49 [fjh]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/temperature/Overview.html
14:24:50 [fjh]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/humidity/Overview.html
14:24:58 [Josh_Soref]
... i don't know how we're ever going to interop test these
14:25:08 [Josh_Soref]
... the group needs to make decisions
14:25:14 [Josh_Soref]
... how do we want to progress these?
14:25:20 [Josh_Soref]
... i think in this case, a CfC is appropriate
14:25:50 [Josh_Soref]
... any objections to this?
14:25:53 [Josh_Soref]
[ None ]
14:26:14 [fjh]
action: fjh to send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts and publish FPWD of each
14:26:15 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-570 - Send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts and publish FPWD of each [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-08-29].
14:26:38 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i guess we'd have a harness
14:26:48 [Josh_Soref]
... and have fake sensor environmental events
14:26:53 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Action Review
14:27:01 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: Josh_Soref, you still have security considerations
14:27:01 [fjh]
ACTION-516?
14:27:01 [trackbot]
ACTION-516 -- Josh Soref to propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:27:01 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/516
14:27:19 [fjh]
ACTION-561?
14:27:19 [trackbot]
ACTION-561 -- Richard Tibbett to produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API -- due 2012-07-27 -- OPEN
14:27:19 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/561
14:27:21 [Josh_Soref]
... i'll send a message to adrian
14:27:27 [Josh_Soref]
... richt_, what's 561?
14:27:38 [Josh_Soref]
richt_: we spoke at the F2F with Travis
14:27:47 [Josh_Soref]
... we have a proposal on the table
14:27:52 [Josh_Soref]
... it's being discussed in the MC TF
14:28:07 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: so, do we leave this action?
14:28:18 [Josh_Soref]
richt_: i think the MC TF is aware of this
14:28:30 [fjh]
ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task Force
14:28:43 [Josh_Soref]
s/ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task Force//
14:28:51 [fjh]
ACTION-561: under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task Force
14:28:51 [trackbot]
ACTION-561 Produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API notes added
14:28:52 [fjh]
[10:28am] Josh_Soref: s/ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task
14:29:03 [fjh]
ACTION-561 closed
14:29:03 [trackbot]
ACTION-561 Produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API closed
14:29:05 [Josh_Soref]
s|[10:28am] Josh_Soref: s/ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task||
14:29:09 [Josh_Soref]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:29:09 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:29:43 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i'm not sure what the status of Intents is
14:29:50 [Josh_Soref]
[ Adjourned ]
14:30:02 [Zakim]
-Clarke
14:30:06 [Josh_Soref]
trackbot, end meeting
14:30:06 [trackbot]
Zakim, list attendees
14:30:06 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, +1.858.750.aabb, +46.1.07.15.aacc, nwidell, lgombos, dcheng3, gmandyam, Jungkee, AnssiK, Josh_Soref, richt_,
14:30:09 [Zakim]
... +1.781.266.aadd, Cathy, Clarke
14:30:09 [Zakim]
-milan_patel
14:30:09 [Zakim]
-nwidell
14:30:09 [Zakim]
-lgombos
14:30:13 [Zakim]
-gmandyam
14:30:14 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:30:14 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:30:14 [Zakim]
-Jungkee
14:30:14 [Zakim]
-Cathy
14:30:15 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-actions.rdf :
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: anssiK to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html [1]
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-09-57
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: anssi to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html [2]
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-10-16
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: jungkee to work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE [3]
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-23-16
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: fjh to follow up regarding next steps for ambient light sensors on list [4]
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-24-25
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: fjh to send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts and publish FPWD of each [5]
14:30:15 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-26-14
14:30:17 [Zakim]
-Dsr
14:30:20 [Zakim]
-fjh
14:30:22 [Zakim]
-AnssiK
14:30:23 [Zakim]
-dcheng3
14:30:31 [Zakim]
-Josh_Soref