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13:36:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:36:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:36:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
13:36:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:36:50 <trackbot> Date: 22 August 2012
13:39:03 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0061.html
13:43:43 <fjh> Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson
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13:52:20 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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13:59:44 <Zakim> +??P8
13:59:47 <fjh> zakim, ??P8 is me
13:59:47 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:59:48 <Zakim> +milan_patel
13:59:53 <Zakim> +Dsr
13:59:59 <Zakim> + +1.781.534.aaaa
14:00:08 <dsr> Present+ Dave_Raggett
14:00:11 <Zakim> + +1.858.750.aabb
14:00:21 <lgombos> Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
14:00:26 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.15.aacc
14:00:36 <nwidell> zakim, aacc is nwidell
14:00:36 <Zakim> +nwidell; got it
14:00:44 <gmandyam> gmandyam has joined #dap
14:00:46 <fjh> zakim, where is 858?
14:00:46 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.858 is California
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14:00:50 <lgombos> zakim, +1.781.534.aaaa is me
14:00:50 <Zakim> +lgombos; got it
14:00:55 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
14:01:05 <Jungkee> Present+ Jungkee_Song
14:01:10 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:01:31 <Zakim> +dcheng3
14:01:36 <Zakim> +??P14
14:01:39 <dcheng3> Present+ Diana_Cheng 
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14:01:43 <fjh> zakim, aabb is gmandyam
14:01:43 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
14:01:47 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, ??P14
14:01:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:01:56 <Jungkee> zakim, ??P14 is me
14:01:56 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:02:11 <gmandyam> Giri Mandyam from Qualcomm Innovation Cetner (858 area code)
14:02:27 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee
14:02:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:02:32 <Zakim> +??P15
14:02:41 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P15 is me
14:02:41 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:02:52 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:02:57 <Jungkee> zakim, mute me
14:02:57 <Zakim> Jungkee should now be muted
14:03:13 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK
14:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:03:30 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
14:04:55 <fjh> ScribeNick: Josh_Soref
14:05:23 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
14:05:30 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:05:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:05:44 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:05:44 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:06:03 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes approval
14:06:06 <fjh> Approve minutes from 15 August 2012
14:06:06 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0051/minutes-2012-08-15.html
14:06:32 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 15 August 2012
14:06:56 <fjh> Topic: HTML Media Capture Last Call
14:06:57 <richt_> richt_ has joined #dap
14:07:04 <fjh> Comments - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html 
14:07:38 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i was wrong on last week's call about how many LC comments we had
14:07:40 <Josh_Soref> .. there were 9
14:07:44 <Josh_Soref> ... but they're all in the tracker
14:07:52 <Josh_Soref> s/.. there/... there/
14:07:59 <Josh_Soref> ... see the email for details
14:08:00 <Zakim> +richt_
14:09:14 <AnssiK> q+
14:09:15 <Josh_Soref> fjh: does anyone want to volunteer to take any of these as actions?
14:09:20 <fjh> ack AnssiK
14:09:32 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i can volunteer to address all of the LC comments
14:09:40 <Josh_Soref> ... i can come back to the list if i'm unable to find a good way
14:09:54 <Josh_Soref> ... i think some are fairly straightforward
14:09:57 <fjh> action: anssiK to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html
14:09:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - anssiK
14:09:58 <Josh_Soref> ... some may have some controversy
14:10:16 <fjh> action: anssi  to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html
14:10:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-567 -  to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2012-08-29].
14:10:22 <Josh_Soref> fjh: thanks AnssiK 
14:10:30 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i did a proposal for the security one
14:10:37 <fjh> Proposal for LC-2636, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0046.html
14:11:01 <Zakim> + +1.781.266.aadd
14:11:08 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i said the UA should provide an indication that the input is happening
14:11:18 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +1781?
14:11:18 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.781 is Massachusetts
14:11:40 <fjh> Anssi can include my proposal as well in the consolidated set of proposed changes
14:11:43 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i'll directly edit the spec, and then the WG reviews the ED
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14:11:48 <dtran> +Present Dzung_Tran
14:11:56 <Josh_Soref> s/+Present/Present+/
14:12:11 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:12:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, +1.781.266.aadd
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14:12:21 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aadd is Dzung_Tran
14:12:21 <Zakim> +Dzung_Tran; got it
14:12:33 <Cathy> zakim, who is on the call?
14:12:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Dzung_Tran
14:12:34 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, nick dtran is Dzung_Tran
14:12:35 <Zakim> ok, Josh_Soref, I now associate dtran with Dzung_Tran
14:12:54 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i think i have other actions open
14:13:01 <Josh_Soref> ... Test suite for Battery/...
14:13:10 <Josh_Soref> ... but i can probably do this within two weeks
14:13:19 <Josh_Soref> fjh: that'd be good if we can do it before TPAC
14:13:20 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:13:50 <fjh> ACTION-567 due + 2 weeks
14:13:50 <trackbot> ACTION-567 to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html due date now + 2 weeks
14:14:02 <fjh> ACTION-567?
14:14:02 <trackbot> ACTION-567 -- Anssi Kostiainen to to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html -- due 2012-09-05 -- OPEN
14:14:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/567
14:14:26 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, Dzung_Tran is really Cathy
14:14:26 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:14:31 <fjh> Topic: TPAC
14:14:34 <fjh> Next F2F in Lyon France in conjunction with TPAC
14:14:43 <fjh> Please complete WG questionnaire - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0043.html
14:15:01 <fjh> Also remember to register for TPAC (separate from questionnaire) and make travel arrangements
14:15:24 <Clarke> Clarke has joined #dap
14:15:47 <Josh_Soref> [ fjh explains the TPAC registration details ]
14:16:02 <Josh_Soref> fjh: the survey lets me know who would be calling in
14:16:16 <fjh> tpac, http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html
14:16:29 <Zakim> +Clarke
14:16:30 <fjh> tpac registration, http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration
14:16:49 <fjh> WebIntents session during WebApps on Tue : http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/TPAC2012Meeting#Agenda_Tuesday_October_30
14:16:51 <Zakim> +Cathy.a
14:17:09 <fjh> Agenda wiki: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France
14:17:27 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, drop Cathy 
14:17:27 <Zakim> Cathy is being disconnected
14:17:28 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:17:40 <fjh> please indicate if you have topics for the F2f agenda as well as concerns re timing.
14:17:48 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:17:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Clarke, Cathy.a
14:17:54 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:17:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Clarke, Cathy.a
14:17:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see Clarke, Cathy, dtran, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie,
14:17:56 <Zakim> ... hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:17:59 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, Cathy.a is really Cathy 
14:17:59 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:18:09 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm assuming we'll have a session on WebIntents
14:18:26 <Josh_Soref> ... and we'll have to discuss WebIntents/WebActivities
14:18:35 <Josh_Soref> ... We need to get the agenda togethre
14:18:41 <Josh_Soref> s/togethre/together/
14:18:50 <Josh_Soref> ... Are there any questions about the TPAC F2F?
14:19:00 <Jungkee> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0050.html
14:19:08 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Web API Design XXX
14:19:10 <Jungkee> zakim, unmute me
14:19:10 <Zakim> Jungkee should no longer be muted
14:19:20 <Josh_Soref> s/XXX/Cookbook/
14:19:27 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it seems like it should be a Note
14:19:35 <fjh> http://darobin.github.com/api-design-cookbook/
14:19:42 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: our WG agreed to create this document
14:19:50 <Josh_Soref> ... to help editors write specifications
14:19:54 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:20:05 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (15%)
14:20:29 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
14:20:37 <fjh> Jungkee suggests we publish
14:20:40 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:21:03 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it needs to move to a w3 github
14:21:06 <Josh_Soref> ... thing
14:21:12 <Josh_Soref> ... and it should be a NOTE note a REC
14:21:22 <Josh_Soref> ... i think we can just agree on the call to do a FPWD
14:21:31 <Josh_Soref> ... does anyone object to this?
14:21:47 <Josh_Soref> ... as it'll be a NOTE Track document, there shouldn't be any IPR concerns
14:22:12 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Publish API Design Cookbook as a NOTE Track document, shortname api-design-cookbook
14:22:42 <Josh_Soref> fjh: Jungkee, can you move it to w3c space?
14:22:51 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: i'll talk to darobin about that
14:22:56 <Jungkee> i'll talk to Robin
14:23:16 <fjh> action: jungkee to work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE
14:23:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-568 - Work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE [on Jungkee Song - due 2012-08-29].
14:23:41 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Ambient Light Sensor
14:23:44 <Jungkee> zakim, mute me
14:23:44 <Zakim> Jungkee should now be muted
14:23:48 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we had a bit of discussion yesterday
14:23:55 <Josh_Soref> ... there's a bunch of agreement on the list that this should be changed
14:24:01 <fjh> proposal for changes?: http://fremycompany.com/BG/2012/Ambient-light-sensors-and-CSS-Media-Queries-971/ 
14:24:08 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:24:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, lgombos, gmandyam, nwidell, dcheng3, Jungkee (muted), AnssiK, Josh_Soref (muted), richt_, Clarke, Cathy
14:24:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Clarke, Cathy, dtran, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee, gmandyam, nwidell, Milan_Patel, lgombos, dsr, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, tobie,
14:24:11 <Zakim> ... hiroto_away, mounir, trackbot, dom
14:24:25 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up regarding next steps for ambient light sensors on list
14:24:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-569 - Follow up regarding next steps for ambient light sensors on list [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-08-29].
14:24:36 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Sensors Draft
14:24:41 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we have a bunch of drafts
14:24:48 <Josh_Soref> ... ambient temperature, ambient humidity
14:24:49 <fjh> Plans to progress and publish FPWD of Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts?
14:24:49 <fjh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/temperature/Overview.html
14:24:50 <fjh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/humidity/Overview.html
14:24:58 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't know how we're ever going to interop test these
14:25:08 <Josh_Soref> ... the group needs to make decisions
14:25:14 <Josh_Soref> ... how do we want to progress these?
14:25:20 <Josh_Soref> ... i think in this case, a CfC is appropriate
14:25:50 <Josh_Soref> ... any objections to this?
14:25:53 <Josh_Soref> [ None ]
14:26:14 <fjh> action: fjh to send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts and publish FPWD of each
14:26:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-570 - Send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts and publish FPWD of each [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-08-29].
14:26:38 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i guess we'd have a harness
14:26:48 <Josh_Soref> ... and have fake sensor environmental events
14:26:53 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Action Review
14:27:01 <Josh_Soref> fjh: Josh_Soref, you still have security considerations
14:27:01 <fjh> ACTION-516?
14:27:01 <trackbot> ACTION-516 -- Josh Soref to propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:27:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/516
14:27:19 <fjh> ACTION-561?
14:27:19 <trackbot> ACTION-561 -- Richard Tibbett to produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API -- due 2012-07-27 -- OPEN
14:27:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/561
14:27:21 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll send a message to adrian
14:27:27 <Josh_Soref> ... richt_, what's 561?
14:27:38 <Josh_Soref> richt_: we spoke at the F2F with Travis
14:27:47 <Josh_Soref> ... we have a proposal on the table
14:27:52 <Josh_Soref> ... it's being discussed in the MC TF
14:28:07 <Josh_Soref> fjh: so, do we leave this action?
14:28:18 <Josh_Soref> richt_: i think the MC TF is aware of this
14:28:30 <fjh> ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task Force
14:28:43 <Josh_Soref> s/ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task Force//
14:28:51 <fjh> ACTION-561: under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task Force
14:28:51 <trackbot> ACTION-561 Produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API notes added
14:28:52 <fjh> [10:28am] Josh_Soref: s/ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task
14:29:03 <fjh> ACTION-561 closed
14:29:03 <trackbot> ACTION-561 Produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API closed
14:29:05 <Josh_Soref> s|[10:28am] Josh_Soref: s/ACTION-561 under discussion and resolution in Media Capture Task||
14:29:09 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:29:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:29:43 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm not sure what the status of Intents is
14:29:50 <Josh_Soref> [ Adjourned ]
14:30:02 <Zakim> -Clarke
14:30:06 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
14:30:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:30:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been fjh, milan_patel, Dsr, +1.858.750.aabb, +46.1.07.15.aacc, nwidell, lgombos, dcheng3, gmandyam, Jungkee, AnssiK, Josh_Soref, richt_,
14:30:09 <Zakim> ... +1.781.266.aadd, Cathy, Clarke
14:30:09 <Zakim> -milan_patel
14:30:09 <Zakim> -nwidell
14:30:09 <Zakim> -lgombos
14:30:13 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:30:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:30:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:30:14 <Zakim> -Jungkee
14:30:14 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:30:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:30:15 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-actions.rdf :
14:30:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: anssiK to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html [1]
14:30:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-09-57
14:30:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: anssi  to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html [2]
14:30:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-10-16
14:30:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jungkee to work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE [3]
14:30:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-23-16
14:30:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to follow up regarding next steps for ambient light sensors on list [4]
14:30:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-24-25
14:30:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Sensor, Ambient Humidity Sensor drafts and publish FPWD of each [5]
14:30:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/22-dap-irc#T14-26-14
14:30:17 <Zakim> -Dsr
14:30:20 <Zakim> -fjh
14:30:22 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:30:23 <Zakim> -dcheng3
14:30:31 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref