IRC log of dap on 2012-08-01

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 01 August 2012
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0070.html
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Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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s/Chair: Robin_Berjon,/Chair:/
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Present- Robin_Berjon
13:35:04 [fjh]
rrsagent, generate minutes
13:35:04 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-minutes.html fjh
13:39:38 [darobin]
in the meantime, patches can be made as pull requests against https://github.com/darobin/respec/
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s/darobin: in the meantime, patches can be made as pull requests against https:\/\/github.com\/darobin\/respec\///
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s|darobin: in the meantime, patches can be made as pull requests against https://github.com/darobin/respec/||
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+Present Dzung_Tran
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s/+Present/Present+/
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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+??P14
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zakim, ??P14 is me
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+fjh; got it
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+ +1.214.919.aaaa
13:57:59 [Milan_Patel]
Present+ Milan_Patel
13:58:07 [fjh]
zakim, where is 214?
13:58:07 [Zakim]
North American dialing code 1.214 is Texas
13:58:29 [fjh]
zakim, aaaa is milan_patel
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+milan_patel; got it
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+??P16
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+ +1.289.261.aabb
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Present+ Jungkee_Song
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Zakim, aabb is me
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+Josh_Soref; got it
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Zakim, ??P16 is me
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+Jungkee; got it
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Regrets+ Robin_Berjon
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ScribeNick: Josh_Soref
14:00:43 [fjh]
zakim, who is making noise?
14:00:48 [Josh_Soref]
scribe: Josh_Soref
14:00:48 [Jungkee]
Zakim, mute me
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Jungkee should now be muted
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+ +49.173.537.aacc
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+Dsr
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fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (19%)
14:00:57 [Jungkee]
it was me making noise
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Present+ Diana_Cheng
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zakim, aacc is dcheng3
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+dcheng3; got it
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Present+ Dave_Raggett
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+ +1.425.214.aadd
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present+ Bryan_Sullivan
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zakim, aadd is bryan
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+bryan; got it
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+??P0
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zakim, ??P0 is me
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+Cathy; got it
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hoops and more hoops
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s/hoops and more hoops//
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+??P1
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zakim, ??P1 is me
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+Clarke; got it
14:05:05 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:05:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Jungkee (muted), Josh_Soref, dcheng3, Dsr, bryan, Cathy, Clarke
14:05:07 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Clarke, bryan, dsr, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, Milan_Patel, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Paul_Kinlan, darobin, richt, tobie, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, trackbot, mounir,
14:05:07 [Zakim]
... hiroto, dom
14:05:23 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Minutes
14:05:29 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i think the agenda was missing in the minutes
14:06:21 [Josh_Soref]
... we'll approve the minutes next time
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Topic: Welcome new members
14:06:42 [fjh]
Welcome additional new members to DAP, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0066.html
14:07:09 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Light Events CfC
14:07:18 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: dougt made changes in response to comments
14:07:20 [fjh]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/light/Overview.html
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doub response - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0071.html
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s/doub/dougt/
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fjh: dougt made changes to include "Ambient" in the title
14:08:28 [fjh]
proposed RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname "light"
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+ +47.23.69.aaee
14:09:45 [Clarke]
I agree with Josh.
14:09:47 [richt_]
zakim, aaee is me
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+richt_; got it
14:09:52 [Josh_Soref]
Josh_Soref: i'd rather something less ambiguous
14:10:02 [Josh_Soref]
... light could be for turning on / off light emitting devices
14:10:06 [fjh]
proposed RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname "ambientlight"
14:10:08 [Josh_Soref]
... people don't type urls anyway
14:10:28 [Josh_Soref]
dsr: i'd go with hyphenation
14:10:31 [fjh]
proposed RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname "ambient-light"
14:10:33 [Clarke]
Especially if we're talking about something that enables UPnP and other home automation protocols
14:10:48 [Josh_Soref]
+1
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s/+1/Josh_Soref: +1/
14:11:03 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: that change matches the title
14:11:08 [Josh_Soref]
RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname "ambient-light"
14:11:31 [fjh]
action: darobin to prepare Ambient Light Events for FPWD publication, including change of shortname to "ambient-light"
14:11:31 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-564 - Prepare Ambient Light Events for FPWD publication, including change of shortname to "ambient-light" [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-08-08].
14:11:46 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Web Intents
14:11:55 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: technical discussion needs to happen on Web Intents list
14:12:02 [fjh]
WebActivities and WebIntents - Comment/discussion on proposal? http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2012-July/036719.html
14:12:03 [Josh_Soref]
... i think some messages only went to DAP
14:12:12 [Josh_Soref]
... there's a proposal from hixie
14:12:19 [Josh_Soref]
... there's a requirement we need to talk about
14:12:30 [Josh_Soref]
... sicking + mounir in their message raised an important requirement
14:12:31 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2012AprJun/0071.html
14:12:42 [Josh_Soref]
... to be able to go to a page/open a new page
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... not show the default page
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... incorporating that, so as to not confuse the user
14:13:21 [fjh]
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.webapi/o8bkwx0EtmM
14:13:38 [Josh_Soref]
s|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2012AprJun/0071.html||
14:13:57 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Pick Media Intent
14:14:05 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0061.html (Youenn)
14:14:06 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0063.html (Jungkee)
14:14:14 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i'm not used to TFs
14:14:14 [Jungkee]
Zakim, unmute me
14:14:14 [Zakim]
Jungkee should no longer be muted
14:14:28 [Josh_Soref]
... it makes sense to get things we can dispense with done
14:14:37 [Josh_Soref]
... that doesn't require much discussion
14:15:31 [Josh_Soref]
Jungkee: i got a statement from canon people
14:15:44 [Josh_Soref]
... a major topic was about the type of intent parameter
14:15:56 [Josh_Soref]
... [something] about metadata
14:15:59 [Jungkee]
http://w3c-test.org/dap/gallery/#metadata-properties
14:16:18 [Josh_Soref]
... here i made a table of meta data
14:16:31 [Josh_Soref]
... in apendix 3
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s/apendix/appendix/
14:16:59 [Josh_Soref]
... what i want to do is verify a set of properties
14:17:03 [Josh_Soref]
... with a service provider
14:17:26 [Josh_Soref]
... if we have contact points to service providers in this group
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... that'd help
14:17:36 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: what about blob: and uri stuff?
14:17:40 [Josh_Soref]
... and keyword filtering?
14:17:58 [Josh_Soref]
Jungkee: we need to deliver either blob: or URI
14:18:10 [Josh_Soref]
... i think we can discuss this later on with the lazy blob proposal
14:18:19 [Josh_Soref]
... darobin mentioned it at the f2f
14:18:55 [Josh_Soref]
... to make the spec move forward
14:19:04 [Josh_Soref]
... metadata needs to be verified with service providers
14:19:12 [Jungkee]
http://intents.w3.org/type/media
14:19:24 [Josh_Soref]
... and also type needs to be discussed
14:20:24 [Josh_Soref]
... i'm thinking that media type/filtering criteria will be on the service implementer side
14:20:34 [Josh_Soref]
... that gives them the flexibility
14:20:39 [Josh_Soref]
... and makes it simple from the client side
14:20:41 [Josh_Soref]
Josh_Soref: +1
14:21:07 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: one thing is to share the draft to the Web Intents TF
14:21:36 [Josh_Soref]
Jungkee: i posted my email to the Web Intents TF
14:21:58 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: ok, i see that, thank you
14:22:04 [Josh_Soref]
... anything else on that today?
14:22:12 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Capture Accept discussion
14:22:23 [Jungkee]
Zakim, unmute me
14:22:23 [Zakim]
Jungkee was not muted, Jungkee
14:22:44 [Jungkee]
Media captue
14:23:17 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: it seems we need to figure this out, it's kind of important
14:23:27 [Jungkee]
not really
14:23:34 [Josh_Soref]
s/not really//
14:23:37 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, mute Jungkee
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Jungkee should now be muted
14:23:43 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, who is making noise
14:23:43 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is making noise', Josh_Soref
14:23:45 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, who is making noise?
14:23:49 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Testing
14:23:56 [Zakim]
Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (53%), Josh_Soref (14%)
14:23:57 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i know there is stuff on proximity
14:24:01 [Josh_Soref]
Zakim, mute me
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Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:24:14 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:24:15 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Jungkee (muted), Josh_Soref (muted), dcheng3, Dsr, bryan, Cathy, Clarke, richt_
14:24:15 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: dtran did some testing on proximity
14:24:17 [Zakim]
On IRC I see richt_, glenn, Clarke, bryan, dsr, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, Milan_Patel, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, tobie, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, trackbot, mounir,
14:24:17 [Zakim]
... hiroto, dom
14:24:52 [richt_]
q+ AOB
14:24:53 [Josh_Soref]
... i don't think there are any pressing actions
14:24:56 [richt_]
q- AOB
14:25:01 [richt_]
q+
14:25:04 [Josh_Soref]
q+ richt_ to talk in AOB
14:25:17 [fjh]
zakim, richt_
14:25:17 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'richt_', fjh
14:25:24 [fjh]
ack richt_
14:25:24 [Zakim]
richt_, you wanted to talk in AOB
14:25:26 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: AOB
14:25:48 [Josh_Soref]
richt_: we agreed at the f2f to publish service-discovery-messaging
14:25:55 [Josh_Soref]
... we're agreeing internally
14:26:00 [Josh_Soref]
... we want to try to push it next week
14:26:15 [Josh_Soref]
... it's slightly delayed, but we're working with other groups internally
14:26:47 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: are you talking about a FPWD or an ED
14:27:11 [Josh_Soref]
... i think it's an Unofficial Draft, there's a template for that
14:27:23 [Josh_Soref]
richt_: we'll try to do that by next week
14:27:51 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: send an email to the list saying "here's the url for the unofficial draft"
14:29:04 [Josh_Soref]
... anything else to discuss?
14:29:07 [Josh_Soref]
[ Nothing ]
14:29:18 [Zakim]
-bryan
14:29:20 [Josh_Soref]
[ Adjourned ]
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
14:29:24 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been fjh, +1.214.919.aaaa, milan_patel, +1.289.261.aabb, Josh_Soref, Jungkee, +49.173.537.aacc, Dsr, dcheng3, +1.425.214.aadd, bryan, Cathy,
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... Clarke, +47.23.69.aaee, richt_
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-Clarke
14:29:30 [Zakim]
-richt_
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-fjh
14:29:32 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:29:32 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:29:32 [Zakim]
-Jungkee
14:29:32 [Zakim]
-dcheng3
14:29:33 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
14:29:33 [RRSAgent]
I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-actions.rdf :
14:29:33 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: darobin to prepare Ambient Light Events for FPWD publication, including change of shortname to "ambient-light" [1]
14:29:33 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-irc#T14-11-31
14:29:33 [Zakim]
-milan_patel
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-Josh_Soref