Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference -- 20 Apr 2012

<trackbot> Date: 20 April 2012

<ChrisL> ACTION: chris to test action-73 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/20-hcg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Test action-73 [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-04-27].

<ChrisL> action-2?

<trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Chris Lilley to test action-73 -- due 2012-04-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/2

<ChrisL> Debbie the links in the agenda are to the old tracker :)

<scribe> scribe: Kaz

<scribe> scribenick: kaz

actions

<ChrisL> old tracker open actions

<ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/open

chris: discussion on media handling

action-71?

<trackbot> ACTION-71 does not exist

-> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/71 old-action-71

chris: new action for the new tracker?

debbie: opinions?
... the discussion is active on the HTML WG mailing list

kaz: gave some update

debbie: maybe it would make sense to send a message to the HCG list about the discussion

chris: ok

<scribe> ACTION: dahl to send a message on media handling discussion to the HCG listg [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/20-hcg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Send a message on media handling discussion to the HCG list [on Deborah Dahl - due 2012-04-27].

chris: next old action is for Debbie again

<ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/72

debbie: still good to do
... "organize a discovery session after HCG is public"

<scribe> ACTION: dahl to organize a discovery session in June [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/20-hcg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Organize a discovery session in June [on Deborah Dahl - due 2012-04-27].

<ChrisL> old action 73 https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/73

chris: those are the remaining actions on the old tracker

<ChrisL> ok so the old items are all closed now

<ChrisL> action-1?

<trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Chris Lilley to see which tracker is on irc nowadays -- due 2012-03-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/1

<ChrisL> close action-1

<trackbot> ACTION-1 See which tracker is on irc nowadays closed

<ChrisL> action-2?

<trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Chris Lilley to test action-73 -- due 2012-04-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/2

<ChrisL> close action-2

<trackbot> ACTION-2 Test action-73 closed

last calls and cr

chris: doug, your topic?

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9425

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/WebIDL/

doug: WebIDL CR
... defining interface for Java binding
... many specs use it
... the problem has been that while it's not done many specs use it
... the exit criteria is a bit unusual
... not meant to be implemented in UAs
... Microsoft pretty heavily creates descriptions to transform those
... for the code base
... but not something that an author would know/use

chris: something implementers could use?

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/WebIDL/#cr-exit exit criteria section

doug: you can use stabs, e.g., written by C language
... one of the Widgets spec, e.g., selector, uses WebIDL
... HTML5 as well

[ geolocation also uses it ]

doug: many groups use WebIDL
... they care about the status of the WebIDL spec
... more precisely describe JavaScript usage
... description on JavaScript binding is important for interoperability

steven: similar to XHTML modularization
... we always have long discussion

doug: XML stacs, etc. are also not directly implemented
... maybe Liam knows better

<ChrisL> charmod might be another example

doug: we talked to Ralph about what the CR exit criteria should be

chris: suggestion on changing the HCG call time
... more use of email list
... it would be faster to wait 2weeks for the next HCG call
... open to change the call time again, though

debbie: as the public ML, can people post?

chris: think any one who has W3C account can post
... will check the situation

<ChrisL> ACTION: chris to check on public-hypertext-cg posting permissions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/20-hcg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Check on public-hypertext-cg posting permissions [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-04-27].

debbie: it would be good if WG/IG members who are concerned post back to the HCG list on the Media handling discussion

doug: probably going to cross-post
... but many people don't like it
... what is the advantage to cross-post to HCG?

chris: if there is things happening to multiple groups, cross-posting would be useful
... not encouraging to do that
... by putting HCG, people who don't check the original list can join the discussion

doug: there is WHAT-WG list
... HCG or some reincarnation of HCG
... people can say this should be done here, etc.
... wondering how to make the discussion more useful

debbie: how do you make people know about discussions

doug: link on the front page
... "if you have technical questions, send emails here", etc.
... I know there are a lot of people who think WHATWG page is more useful
... giving people an entry point would be useful
... maybe not the HCG, though
... an umbrella activity

chris: one line status report would be fine
... it's helpful

<ChrisL> chairs list is w3c member-only though

debbie: regarding technical questions, maybe more appropriate to discussion on the Chairs list

doug: it doesn't have to a "group" but could be just a list

chris: next meeting in two weeks?

Steven: regrets

janina: HTML WG f2f

chris: me as well
... do we want to skip the week?

debbie: fine

<ChrisL> May 4 hcg cancelled, next meeting May 18

[ adjourned ]

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Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference

20 Apr 2012

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