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13:56:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4824
13:56:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_CG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference
13:56:41 <trackbot> Date: 20 April 2012
13:57:44 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hypertext-cg/2012AprJun/0001.html
13:57:48 <ChrisL> Chair: Chris
13:59:22 <Zakim> HTML_CG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:29 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
14:00:11 <ChrisL> action: chris to test action-73
14:00:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Test action-73 [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-04-27].
14:00:34 <ChrisL> action-2?
14:00:35 <trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Chris Lilley to test action-73 -- due 2012-04-27 -- OPEN
14:00:35 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/2
14:01:27 <ChrisL> Debbie the links in the agenda are to the old tracker :)
14:02:19 <Zakim> +ChrisL
14:03:01 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:03:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Debbie_Dahl, ChrisL
14:03:18 <Steven> zakim, code?
14:03:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Steven
14:03:37 <Zakim> +??P2
14:03:45 <Steven> zakim, I am ??P2
14:03:45 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
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14:05:39 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:05:39 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:05:40 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
14:06:51 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
14:09:25 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:09:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Debbie_Dahl, ChrisL, Steven, Kazuyuki, Doug_Schepers
14:09:57 <kaz> scribe: Kaz
14:10:01 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:10:16 <kaz> topic: actions
14:10:21 <ChrisL> old tracker open actions
14:10:23 <ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/open
14:10:46 <kaz> chris: discussion on media handling
14:10:48 <kaz> action-71?
14:10:48 <trackbot> ACTION-71 does not exist
14:11:24 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/71 old-action-71
14:11:49 <kaz> chris: new action for the new tracker?
14:11:55 <kaz> debbie: opinions?
14:13:38 <kaz> ... the discussion is active on the HTML WG mailing list
14:13:45 <kaz> kaz: gave some update
14:14:04 <kaz> debbie: maybe it would make sense to send a message to the HCG list about the discussion
14:14:11 <kaz> chris: ok
14:14:29 <kaz> action: dahl to send a message on media handling discussion to the HCG listg
14:14:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Send a message on media handling discussion to the HCG listg [on Deborah Dahl - due 2012-04-27].
14:14:39 <kaz> s/listg/list/
14:14:59 <kaz> chris: next old action is for Debbie again
14:15:00 <ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/72
14:15:13 <kaz> debbie: still good to do
14:15:27 <kaz> ... "organize a discovery session after HCG is public"
14:15:49 <kaz> action: dahl to organize a discovery session in June
14:15:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Organize a discovery session in June [on Deborah Dahl - due 2012-04-27].
14:15:58 <ChrisL> old action 73 https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/73
14:16:28 <kaz> chris: those are the remaining actions on the old tracker
14:16:55 <ChrisL> ok so the old items are all closed now
14:17:43 <ChrisL> action-1?
14:17:43 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Chris Lilley to see which tracker is on irc nowadays -- due 2012-03-16 -- OPEN
14:17:43 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/1
14:17:51 <ChrisL> close action-1
14:17:51 <trackbot> ACTION-1 See which tracker is on irc nowadays closed
14:18:10 <ChrisL> action-2?
14:18:10 <trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Chris Lilley to test action-73 -- due 2012-04-27 -- OPEN
14:18:10 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/2
14:18:14 <ChrisL> close action-2
14:18:14 <trackbot> ACTION-2 Test action-73 closed
14:18:55 <ChrisL> topic: last calls and cr
14:18:56 <kaz> chris: doug, your topic?
14:18:57 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9425
14:18:57 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/WebIDL/
14:19:02 <kaz> doug: WebIDL CR
14:19:29 <kaz> ... defining interface for Java binding
14:19:38 <kaz> ... many specs use it
14:20:00 <kaz> ... the problem has been that while it's not done many specs use it
14:20:11 <kaz> ... the exit criteria is a bit unusual
14:20:23 <kaz> ... not meant to be implemented in UAs
14:20:47 <kaz> ... Microsoft pretty heavily creates descriptions to transform those
14:20:54 <kaz> ... for the code base
14:21:14 <kaz> ... but not something that an author would know/use
14:21:28 <kaz> chris: something implementers could use?
14:22:43 <Steven> q+
14:22:53 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/WebIDL/#cr-exit exit criteria section
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14:23:25 <kaz> doug: you can use stabs, e.g., written by C language
14:24:42 <Zakim> +??P3
14:24:44 <kaz> ... one of the Widgets spec, e.g., selector, uses WebIDL
14:24:55 <kaz> ... HTML5 as well
14:25:03 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is Janina
14:25:03 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
14:25:09 <kaz> [ geolocation also uses it ]
14:25:21 <kaz> doug: many groups use WebIDL
14:25:32 <Steven> q-
14:25:41 <kaz> ... they care about the status of the WebIDL spec
14:25:57 <kaz> ... more precisely describe JavaScript usage
14:26:21 <kaz> ... description on JavaScript binding is important for interoperability
14:26:48 <kaz> steven: similar to XHTML modularization
14:27:07 <kaz> ... we always have long discussion
14:27:38 <kaz> doug: XML stacs, etc. are also not directly implemented
14:27:46 <kaz> ... maybe Liam knows better
14:28:03 <ChrisL> charmod might be another example
14:28:12 <kaz> ... we talked to Ralph about what the CR exit criteria should be
14:28:35 <kaz> chris: suggestion on changing the HCG call time
14:28:52 <kaz> ... more use of email list
14:29:20 <kaz> ... it would be faster to wait 2weeks for the next HCG call
14:29:32 <kaz> ... open to change the call time again, though
14:30:01 <kaz> debbie: as the public ML, can people post?
14:30:16 <kaz> chris: think any one who has W3C account can post
14:30:24 <kaz> ... will check the situation
14:30:53 <ChrisL> action: chris to check on public-hypertext-cg posting permissions
14:30:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Check on public-hypertext-cg posting permissions [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-04-27].
14:31:13 <kaz> debbie: it would be good if WG/IG members who are concerned post back to the HCG list on the Media handling discussion
14:31:27 <kaz> doug: probably going to cross-post
14:31:36 <kaz> ... but many people don't like it
14:31:58 <kaz> ... what is the advantage to cross-post to HCG?
14:32:32 <kaz> chris: if there is things happening to multiple groups, cross-posting would be useful
14:32:39 <kaz> ... not encouraging to do that
14:33:15 <kaz> ... by putting HCG, people who don't check the original list can join the discussion
14:33:30 <kaz> doug: there is WHAT-WG list
14:34:18 <kaz> ... HCG or some reincarnation of HCG
14:34:32 <kaz> ... people can say this should be done here, etc.
14:35:00 <kaz> ... wondering how to make the discussion more useful
14:35:09 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
14:35:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Debbie_Dahl, ChrisL, Steven, Kazuyuki, Doug_Schepers, Janina
14:35:12 <kaz> debbie: how do you make people know about discussions
14:35:25 <kaz> doug: link on the front page
14:35:58 <kaz> ... "if you have technical questions, send emails here", etc.
14:36:25 <kaz> ... I know there are a lot of people who think WHATWG page is more useful
14:36:43 <kaz> ... giving people an entry point would be useful
14:36:51 <kaz> ... maybe not the HCG, though
14:36:59 <kaz> ... an umbrella activity
14:37:40 <kaz> chris: one line status report would be fine
14:38:14 <kaz> ... it's helpful
14:39:10 <ChrisL> chairs list is w3c member-only though
14:39:21 <kaz> debbie: regarding technical questions, maybe more appropriate to discussion on the Chairs list
14:39:51 <kaz> doug: it doesn't have to a "group" but could be just a list
14:40:22 <kaz> chris: next meeting in two weeks?
14:40:28 <kaz> doug: regrets
14:40:33 <kaz> janina: HTML WG f2f
14:40:38 <kaz> chris: me as well
14:40:54 <kaz> ... do we want to skip the week?
14:40:56 <kaz> debbie: fine
14:41:03 <Steven> s/doug: regrets/Steven: regrets
14:41:19 <ChrisL> May 4 hcg cancelled, next meeting May 18
14:41:32 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:41:34 <Zakim> -ChrisL
14:41:35 <Zakim> -Steven
14:41:36 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
14:41:37 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
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14:41:48 <kaz> Present: Chris, Steven, Doug, Debbie, Janina, Kaz
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14:41:52 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:41:53 <Zakim> HTML_CG()10:00AM has ended
14:41:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Debbie_Dahl, ChrisL, Steven, Kazuyuki, Doug_Schepers, Janina
14:42:22 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:42:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/20-hcg-minutes.html kaz
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