<trackbot> Date: 23 March 2012

<scribe> scribe: janina

<Steven> action-71?

<trackbot> ACTION-71 does not exist

dd: I may have had an action to move old actions to our new tracker!

<ddahl> action-1?

<trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Chris Lilley to see which tracker is on irc nowadays -- due 2012-03-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/1

<ddahl> action-2?

<trackbot> ACTION-2 does not exist

ddahl: Old action was to discuss media handling
... Old action #72 was to discuss discovery, where there's quite a lot going on.
... We also have Actions 73 & 75 to do with tracker management ...
... So, no specific discussion items

sp: Suggest AC Forum the place to take Janina's Halloween concern

ddahl: But HCG a good place to see if other WG's have this issue
... Not so much in MM, but maybe we've people who choose work over family.
... Suspect they'd rather not have the conflict.

sp: Not so important in Europe. No one's mentioned the conflict.

ddahl: I was happy it was earlier so I got vote (U.S.) in person rather than absentee.
... Always something
... Suggest posting something to the AC Forum
... Notes that it really is a big deal for young children.
... So the point is to raise awareness of this additional constraint in scheduling TPAC

janina: I'll raise it in AC Forum.
... Noting that ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide needs to go through second review

ddahl: Who to review?

janina: Primarily browsers -- implementors of a11y features

ddahl: ddahl: Were there PF comments that were not forwarded for MultiModal?

janina: Perhaps, I'll check
... We're trying to approve our process for comments. We need to get the substance out there, even when it's still an individual opinion
... So that we don't not send because our process to get group approval of the comments gets commenting delayed

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0

sp: Xforms has been producing working drafts via Wiki
... Intentionally looks like a standard W3 spec
... We have scripts to turn this into html
... Working this way has raised the question of why working drafts for TR if they're constantly available via the Wiki?

janina: Maybe because the TR process was defined before we had Wikis?

sp: Maybe something else to raise in the AC Forum

ddahl: Or also the process questionairre
... Started to respond to that questionairre and found it takes time to do a good job of it
... I think the working draft on wiki question is a good one
... Looking at the Xforms Wiki, looks exactly like a TR Working

Draft

sp: This came up when our last editor moved on and no one stepped up to replace them
... We decided everyone was an editor
... We moved to this format more or less automatically as we had a transform that took html to wikitalk
... It was surprisingly little work

ddahl: And another script to go back to html?

sp: yes
... LC should be html because you want a stable unchanging doc at that point
... But seems no point to heartbeat anylonger.

Bert: Difficult to refer to things that change, though.
... Fragment identifiers start to break

ddahl: Seems an ability to unroll and look at changes is there

Bert: Also, when I do presentations, I prepare in advance, sometimes weeks in advance,
... And it's nice to have reliable URIs to refer to

ddahl: Good point
... I suppose could pull out an ad hoc working draft

janina: I'm seeing more and more URIs in print books and wonder how many of those are now dead
... Want to say that PF will be suggestiong W3C consider implications of cross organizational collaboration
... We think our process docs/policies should be clear about implications of that
... i.e. where's the W3C interest, how to distinguish W3 from the other org, etc.

ddahl: Not sure how to generalize.
... Noting that we've had useful discussion today even though we had no agenda up front
... Particularly missing HTML 5 participation. We need that. Doesn't need to be a chair.
... No call on April 6, Good Friday.
... Next will be April 20

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