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13:59:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4824
13:59:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_CG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference
13:59:30 <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2012
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14:01:49 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
14:01:49 <Zakim> HTML_CG()10:00AM has not yet started, Steven
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14:02:23 <ddahl> zakim, this will be html_cg
14:02:23 <Zakim> ok, ddahl, I see HTML_CG()10:00AM already started
14:02:53 <ddahl> zakim, who is here?
14:02:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Debbie_Dahl, ??P13
14:02:56 <Zakim> +Bert
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14:03:39 <janina> zakim, ??P13 is Janina_Sajka
14:03:39 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:04:04 <Steven> zakim, code?
14:04:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Steven
14:04:44 <Zakim> +??P4
14:04:52 <Steven> zakim, ??p4 is me
14:04:52 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
14:06:57 <janina> scribe: janina
14:07:07 <Steven> zakim, who is on the call?
14:07:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Debbie_Dahl, Janina_Sajka, Bert, Steven
14:07:38 <janina> zakim, action-71?
14:07:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, janina.
14:07:52 <Steven> action-71?
14:07:52 <trackbot> ACTION-71 does not exist
14:08:49 <janina> dd: I may have had an action to move old actions to our new tracker!
14:09:11 <ddahl> zakim, action-1?
14:09:11 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ddahl.
14:09:28 <ddahl> action-1?
14:09:28 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Chris Lilley to see which tracker is on irc nowadays -- due 2012-03-16 -- OPEN
14:09:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/1
14:09:32 <ddahl> action-2?
14:09:32 <trackbot> ACTION-2 does not exist
14:10:09 <janina> ddahl: Old action was to discuss media handling
14:10:31 <janina> ddahl: Old action #72 was to discuss discovery, where there's quite a lot going on.
14:10:58 <janina> ddahl: We also have Actions 73 & 75 to do with tracker management ...
14:11:21 <janina> ddahl: So, no specific discussion items
14:13:03 <janina> sp: Suggest AC Forum the place to take Janina's Halloween concern
14:13:14 <janina> ddahl: But HCG a good place to see if other WG's have this issue
14:13:42 <janina> ddahl: Not so much in MM, but maybe we've people who choose work over family.
14:13:50 <janina> ddahl: Suspect they'd rather not have the conflict.
14:14:38 <janina> sp: Not so important in Europe. No one's mentioned the conflict.
14:15:10 <janina> ddahl: I was happy it was earlier so I got vote (U.S.) in person rather than absentee.
14:15:15 <janina> ddahl: Always something
14:15:34 <janina> ddahl: Suggest posting something to the AC Forum
14:16:59 <janina> ddahl: Notes that it really is a big deal for young children.
14:17:15 <janina> ddahl: So the point is to raise awareness of this additional constraint in scheduling TPAC
14:17:34 <janina> janina: I'll raise it in AC Forum.
14:20:54 <janina> janina: Noting that ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide needs to go through second review
14:21:06 <janina> ddahl: Who to review?
14:21:18 <janina> janina: Primarily browsers -- implementors of a11y features
14:23:33 <janina> ddahl: ddahl: Were there PF comments that were not forwarded for MultiModal?
14:23:37 <janina> janina: Perhaps, I'll check
14:23:43 <Steven> q+
14:24:07 <janina> janina: We're trying to approve our process for comments. We need to get the substance out there, even when it's still an individual opinion
14:24:33 <janina> janina: So that we don't not send because our process to get group approval of the comments gets commenting delayed
14:25:07 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0
14:25:15 <janina> sp: Xforms has been producing working drafts via Wiki
14:25:28 <janina> sp: Intentionally looks like a standard W3 spec
14:25:41 <janina> sp: We have scripts to turn this into html
14:26:09 <janina> sp: Working this way has raised the question of why working drafts for TR if they're constantly available via the Wiki?
14:26:43 <janina> janina: Maybe because the TR process was defined before we had Wikis?
14:27:34 <janina> sp: Maybe something else to raise in the AC Forum
14:27:42 <janina> ddahl: Or also the process questionairre
14:28:06 <janina> ddahl: Started to respond to that questionairre and found it takes time to do a good job of it
14:28:40 <janina> ddahl: I think the working draft on wiki question is a good one
14:29:42 <janina> ddahl: Looking at the Xforms Wiki, looks exactly like a TR Working 
14:29:44 <janina> Draft
14:30:17 <janina> sp: This came up when our last editor moved on and no one stepped up to replace them
14:30:24 <janina> sp: We decided everyone was an editor
14:30:58 <janina> sp: We moved to this format more or less automatically as we had a transform that took html to wikitalk
14:31:20 <janina> sp: It was surprisingly little work
14:31:32 <janina> ddahl: And another script to go back to html?
14:31:39 <janina> sp: yes
14:32:11 <janina> sp: LC should be html because you want a stable unchanging doc at that point
14:32:19 <janina> sp: But seems no point to heartbeat anylonger.
14:32:55 <janina> Bert: Difficult to refer to things that change, though.
14:33:03 <janina> Bert: Fragment identifiers start to break
14:33:24 <janina> ddahl: Seems an ability to unroll and look at changes is there
14:34:03 <janina> Bert: Also, when I do presentations, I prepare in advance, sometimes weeks in advance,
14:34:14 <janina> Bert: And it's nice to have reliable URIs to refer to
14:34:36 <janina> ddahl: Good point
14:35:01 <janina> ddahl: I suppose could pull out an ad hoc working draft
14:35:54 <janina> janina: I'm seeing more and more URIs in print books and wonder how many of those are now dead
14:38:46 <janina> janina: Want to say that PF will be suggestiong W3C consider implications of cross organizational collaboration
14:39:05 <janina> janina: We think our process docs/policies should be clear about implications of that
14:39:30 <janina> janina: i.e. where's the W3C interest, how to distinguish W3 from the other org, etc.
14:39:58 <janina> ddahl: Not sure how to generalize.
14:48:26 <janina> ddahl: Noting that we've had useful discussion today even though we had no agenda up front
14:48:44 <janina> ddahl: Particularly missing HTML 5 participation. We need that. Doesn't need to be a chair.
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14:50:49 <janina> ddahl: No call on April 6, Good Friday.
14:50:54 <janina> ddahl: Next will be April 20
14:51:02 <Zakim> -Steven
14:51:03 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
14:51:05 <Zakim> -Bert
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